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Let’s say that I made a nice batch of chocolate brownies, but then added just a teaspoon of dog dung. I mixed it in well so that the taste wasn’t affected. After baking, it looked just fine.

If you knew what was in it, would you eat it?

No?

Then, don’t see the movie. It’s got a lot more than a teaspoon of dung.
 
Wow, great reply - but much of what you have posted is factual and well documented. Some of the rest is theory - but theory that has been around for decades - researched by catholics and non catholics alike.

Jesus is not God; he was only a man - controversy by most religions

Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene - long standing theory

She is to be worshiped as a goddess - personal opinion

Jesus got her pregnant, and the two had a daughter - long standing theory

That daughter gave rise to a prominent family line that is still present in Europe today - long standing theory

The Bible was put together by a pagan Roman emperor - fact - Constantine was a pagan - well documented - his conversion to christianity is still a controversy

Jesus was viewed as a man and not as God until the fourth century, when he was deified by the emperor Constantine - again, still the constantine thing - lots to discuss there. Rome was about to be torn apart - his sole goal in life was to reunite rome at any cost

The Gospels have been edited to support the claims of later Christians - not ever hear this one

In the original Gospels, Mary Magdalene rather than Peter was directed to establish the Church - part of the long standing theory - read the book of Mary Mag (dead sea scrolls)

There is a secret society known as the Priory of Sion that still worships Mary Magdalene as a goddess and is trying to keep the truth alive - I have heard of this but not really researched it

The Catholic Church is aware of all this and has been fighting for centuries to keep it suppressed. It often has committed murder to do so - my understanding is that the church has recanted its earlier position that Mary was a prostitute - the church now says she was not - hummmmm

The Catholic Church is willing to and often has assassinated the descendents of Christ to keep his bloodline from growing - part true and well documented - the Knights Templar were assasinated/captured/torchered - this is where Friday the 13th got its bad reputation - this was the day of execution of that order

Lots to think about and research - instead of beleving anyone, I would check it out myself!
 
By the way, the list of ideas that I posted above is a summary of the book’s lies and deception. There is no need to research them or to check them out further.

I like my brownies pure and simple.
 
good for you! (i do like my brownies with nuts - hummmm, what does that say?) :rolleyes:

i do have one question though - how do you know if these are lies and deceptions if you have not researched it? :confused: are you blindly believing others? 😦 if so, that would be the big difference between us - i need to know for myself. 🙂
 
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rtiffany:
The Bible was put together by a pagan Roman emperor
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:rotfl: NOW I know what you’re saying. I had a funny feeling that’s what you were getting at. Sorry but your list, well, it’s pretty sad. No serious scholar believes any of that.
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Lots to think about and research - instead of beleving anyone, I would check it out myself!
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I agree with you there. There’s plenty of books - plenty of books just about the Da Vinci Code book in fact - that will show you what a bunch of bunk that all is. You can call bunk ‘facts’ if you’d like. So why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and read one of those books that show what a bunch of bunk that book contains.
 
I’ve started on that one - ‘cracking the daVinci code’ will be my first. Really it has nothing to do with the book - thats just where one of the threads lead.

As far as Constantine being a Pagan, that is about a well documented as it gets. Where the deviation comes in is around his conversion - way too many versions of the conversion. 😃 Some say he never converted willingly (forced conversion on his death bed), some say he did the night before his big battle. For every willing conversion I have found an alternate story. :rolleyes:

My BIG question deals with Mary Magdalene and the stories of her being portraid as a prostitute by the catholic church then recanting that in the 80’s. This is not about catholic church bashing - at the time (way back when), they were the church calling the shots - they were the power - they were the center of most towns/cities. I an not into bashing any religion - no matter who! I am just looking for information. I find that the more information I have about a subject, the better my desicions and choices about that subject become. I do not ever believe just one person or writing. I research it as fully as possible.

I guess where I am really going with all of this, is that if Mary was slandered by the church to bring her down (or for whatever reason), and what the church portrayed her to be is incorrect, then what else has been mis-portayed (is that even a word?)? If Joshua BinDavid was truly called Rabbi, my understanding of the word from some Jewish Rabbi friends is that he would have had to been married to have that title.

I am on a search for truth. This is not about ‘ha ha i told you so’, or anything to bring someone’s faith down. This is my path of exploration and search for the truth - nothing more. 👍

Any information you would have on these subjects would be greatly appreciated.
 
I wasn’t laughing at Constantine being a pagan. I was laughing at the ridiculous notion that HE put the bible together.

Let us know when you’re done with “Cracking the Da Vinci Code”.
 
that is a funny one 😛

I know the bible was put together by many people, but who was in rule at the time? You have started my brain working in a different area than I first started - but this is good stuff to know.

Thanks
 
I trust the research that Catholic Answers has already done for the article at: catholic.com/library/cracking_da_vinci_code.asp

Also, Revelant Radio has had many loyal Catholic guests comment negatively on the book and the movie. See relevantradio.com/docs/index.asp

And, some very good orthodox Catholic authors wrote books that expose the lies and deception in the Dan Brown book.

Other than that, additional researching (or even reading) Dan Brown’s book is not worth my time and effort.

I prefer to listen to those persons loyal to the Catholic Church. The dissenters seem to always have a hidden agenda or are “cafeteria” Catholics who pick and choose what suits them.
 
Thanks for the links - i will check them out. I am not a catholic - I do not conform to any main stream religions. That is not my path. When I do research, I look at all sides (at least as many as I can find). Dan Brown’s books are always fun for discussion, but again, I never believe one side of the story - I need to find out for myself. For instance …

The old story of Joseph and Mary and the freezing weather; poor, lowley people giving birth to a child outside in a manger … I could never really buy into that story. So with some research, I have found that most clergy already know that Joshua’s birthdate was closer to end of spring/summer because Mary and Joseph were heading back for the censis. Wow, the whole christmas story was fake/fabricated. That does not change my feelings around the holiday, I just better understand what the holiday is really about. (that and the fact the christians went to great lengths to cover up as many pagan holidays with thier holidays as they could - why?)

I have found that most clergy believe (or at least preach) that Joshua and his family were poor - not so. For instance, the story of the wedding where Mary asked her son to change the water into wine - poor people were not invited to weddings like that. Then there is the fact that Joshua was from the house of David - hummmm.

A very wise man once told me that it doesn’t really matter whether or not the stories in the bible are true, it’s whether or not the truth of life comes through those stories - and it does. I am just trying to find the truth so I know better what to filter and what not to filter. Each of us ( I believe) has an obligation to find the truth for themselves. I have found, that with a bit of poking around, the truth always reveils itself 🙂
 
I took a look at the links - great stuff. The first link, however, really seemed slanted. There really wasn’t much meat to their belief that Dan Brown lied about ‘the facts’. The book is fiction - no doubt about it - but it really leaves you thinking (at least it did me) about other possibilities. None of us were there when the bible was organized - who’s to say, truly, that there wasn’t padding added to the bible to help sway the people or to justify its ruler??? I don’t know - really, no one does. The history of world war II would be very different in the Russian or Japanese schools than it is in the US schools, but we take OUR history as the correct and undisputable history - history is written by the winners - and history will/and has proved that out.

I want to find the answers for myself - another for instance:
The whole thing about the bible saying homosexuality is a sin. If memory serves me, what the bible is talking about deals with the rape/abuse of young men. There is nothing in there about loving relationships between same sex partners. To add to this, the FACT that the word homosexual was not even in the greek language until 200 years ago would tell me that it was never in the bible.

Again, I am just looking for truth - not slanted stories, not rebuttles, just the truth. 👍
 
Of course it is! I recently read The Da Vinci Hoax , and I’m glad that I’ll be saving my money by NOT WATCHING THIS FILM!.
So who says that Catholics can’t think for themselves? Not me. :eek: 😉
 
There are problems with the book. As a work of fiction - well, it’s not that well-written anyway, but it is a page-turner.

The problem is that it isn’t portrayed as a work of fiction, thanks to the page at the front where Dan Brown basically says it is based on factual evidence. This is plain wrong.

Now some things for Catholics are a matter of faith and we won’t get very far with discussing whether they are right or wrong. But let’s go for one example we can all agree on for starters - Dan Brown portrays the Priory of Sion as an actual organisation. It isn’t, it has been completely debunked as a fraud and hoax.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_sion

Mike
 
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Of course it is! I recently read The Da Vinci Hoax , and I’m glad that I’ll be saving my money by NOT WATCHING THIS FILM!.
So who says that Catholics can’t think for themselves? Not me. :eek: 😉
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So why believe one author and not the other? Who is the author of DaVinci Hoax? What slant do they write from? All things to keep in mind when reading anything! 👍
 
rtiffany,

I don’t think you need to look at the Bible or the actual teachings of a Church as literal truth in order to get an awful lot of good out of it. Jesus was a wonderful person with a wonderful outlook on how to live a good life, whether you believe in his divinity or not.

Nevertheless, Catholics do believe in a large number of things. Some of those are matters of faith, and I couldn’t prove them either way to you, you just either believe them or you don’t.

As for the Da Vinci Code, some people are very annoyed that it is an attack on Catholicism. I must say I don’t really care as long as I am free to practice my faith. I remember the words of Jesus about being mocked for your faith 🙂

My problem with the Da Vinci Code is that it portrays as facts things which aren’t facts, eg. the Priory of Sion, or a number of things that it says about Opus Dei. As someone who respects truth and detests distortions, that annoys me independent of my being a Catholic 🙂

Mike
 
AMEN! I could not agree with you more - especially about trying to prove faith. Can’t be done - shouldn’t be done. I guess if you have to prove it, it is no longer faith :rolleyes:

There of those out there (an I am sure I am one of them) that will stir the pot once in awhile and see what comes out of it. I love a good theological discussion! I am just so surpised at the Brown Bashing (the anti-anti-catholics :rolleyes: ) - I don’t care what book would ever come out about my faith - nothing can change it. People who do not believe as I do are not less than I - they are just different - and I thank god for that! Imagine if all we had was Burger King - what a boring and two dimentional world it would be!! My only rub with religion are the folks that say they are right and everyone else is going to hell (whatever that may be - Joshua did say the kingdom of heaven was within - what about hell?? - another interesting topic :eek: ).

Anyway, Mike, thanks for some great food for thought. I am still determined to find out what I can about Mary (I’ve already gotten about a hundred responses saying the bible said she was a prostitute - go figure). I just want to find out for myself - its not about the outcome - its all in the journey!

Robert
 
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There are problems with the book. As a work of fiction - well, it’s not that well-written anyway, but it is a page-turner.

The problem is that it isn’t portrayed as a work of fiction, thanks to the page at the front where Dan Brown basically says it is based on factual evidence. This is plain wrong.

Now some things for Catholics are a matter of faith and we won’t get very far with discussing whether they are right or wrong. But let’s go for one example we can all agree on for starters - Dan Brown portrays the Priory of Sion as an actual organisation. It isn’t, it has been completely debunked as a fraud and hoax.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_sion

Mike
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not quite completely - “it is generally accepted that the Priory of Sion is in large part an elaborate hoax.” 👍
 
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not quite completely - “it is generally accepted that the Priory of Sion is in large part an elaborate hoax.” 👍
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Well, yes 🙂 but the evidence is pretty overwhelming.

Mike
 
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