Divinci Code Movie

[MikeWM]

rtiffany:

AMEN! I could not agree with you more - especially about trying to prove faith. Can’t be done - shouldn’t be done. I guess if you have to prove it, it is no longer faith

There of those out there (an I am sure I am one of them) that will stir the pot once in awhile and see what comes out of it.

It can be useful. It can also be useful for those who think they are solid in their beliefs to reconsider whether they fundamentally are correct

Imagine if all we had was Burger King - what a boring and two dimentional world it would be!!

Let me be the first to say - ugh

My only rub with religion are the folks that say they are right and everyone else is going to hell

Fortunately Catholics tend not to do this quite so virulently nowadays. I have heard stories of nightmare priests from my grandmother.

Anyway, Mike, thanks for some great food for thought. I am still determined to find out what I can about Mary (I’ve already gotten about a hundred responses saying the bible said she was a prostitute - go figure).

If you’re going to look into all of the ways the Bible can be translated - well, prepare for it to take a while…

I just want to find out for myself - its not about the outcome - its all in the journey!

Oh, very much so. You never know where you’ll end up. I drifted away from the Catholic Church for quite a while, and ended up coming back, for various reasons - and the journey is quite a story, though I won’t narrate it here.

Please research everything, read everything. But make sure to listen to your heart and mind when doing it. Some things just have the ring of truth to them, you feel it deep down somewhere. I find that with my Catholic beliefs.

Mike

 

[rtiffany]

“Some things just have the ring of truth to them, you feel it deep down somewhere.”

Absolutely!! I have also studied enough greek, latin, hebrew, and aramaic to know that no translation can be taken as the gospel (so to speak).

“It can be useful. It can also be useful for those who think they are solid in their beliefs to reconsider whether they fundamentally are correct.”

Again, I could not agree with you more.

By the looks of the posts - this must be a hot topic - who would have guessed

Thanks again Mike
Robert

 

[dljl]

I read the book. I actually thought it was a good mystery story (on that level only). Of course the ‘theology’ is garbage and there are strong anti catholic elements. But any halfway educated Catholic or Protestant should be able to discern that. Too bad, if the author had just left it a mystery story (sort of like the clone 'National Treasure") i could recommend it

 

[bones_IV]

It is not suprising that it has come down to this. Hollywood has been persecuting the religious of this country for years. And they say it is qoute “freedom of speech.” Some predujices die, but lies never do. Especially when that blasphemous movie called Dogma hit the theaters. The Priest was another good example of this, the Disney company I believe produced it. This particular movie Divinci Code is Hollywood’s rejection of God and Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ. They very cleary want to discredit Mother Church. And these people are made up of Jews, ex-priests and religious, ex-catholics and others who deliberately hate the church.

 

[CanoeCamper55]

bones_IV:

It is not suprising that it has come down to this. Hollywood has been persecuting the religious of this country for years. And they say it is qoute “freedom of speech.” Some predujices die, but lies never do. Especially when that blasphemous movie called Dogma hit the theaters. The Priest was another good example of this, the Disney company I believe produced it. This particular movie Divinci Code is Hollywood’s rejection of God and Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ. They very cleary want to discredit Mother Church. And these people are made up of Jews, ex-priests and religious, ex-catholics and others who deliberately hate the church.

EXCELLENT comment!

In my opinion, anyone who supports the book or the movie is, by definition, supporting the cultural attack on both Christianity and Catholicism.

Are you FOR the Church or AGAINST the Church?

 

[bones_IV]

CanoeCamper55:

EXCELLENT comment!

In my opinion, anyone who supports the book or the movie is, by definition, supporting the cultural attack on both Christianity and Catholicism.

Are you FOR the Church or AGAINST the Church?

I’m for Mother Church actually.

 

[rtiffany]

bones_IV:

I’m for Mother Church actually.

I am for truth - not someone elses interpritation of it - I want to find out for myself. If anyone lets a goofey book rock their faith, then they really need to take another look at their faith.

 

[Orionthehunter]

dljl:

I read the book. I actually thought it was a good mystery story (on that level only). Of course the ‘theology’ is garbage and there are strong anti catholic elements. But any halfway educated Catholic or Protestant should be able to discern that. Too bad, if the author had just left it a mystery story (sort of like the clone 'National Treasure") i could recommend it

While reading a fictional book using real people or institutions as fundamental characters or settings is a matter of personal choice acknowledging that an educated person can discern and discount the historical inaccuracies as we enjoy a “good read”, we should exercise prudence.

While I could read and apply my intellect to discount the fiction and falsehoods, we should prudently choose to reject some books because they foster prejudices and falsehoods than are harmful. Just as I wouldn’t read a “good read” that fostered the impression that all Blacks have inferior minds but can dance or jump high even though I know this is untrue, I see know reason to read a book that promotes that idea that the Catholic Church is a corrupt evil institution dedicated to Satan.

 

[rtiffany]

Orionthehunter:

While reading a fictional book using real people or institutions as fundamental characters or settings is a matter of personal choice acknowledging that an educated person can discern and discount the historical inaccuracies as we enjoy a “good read”, we should exercise prudence.

While I could read and apply my intellect to discount the fiction and falsehoods, we should prudently choose to reject some books because they foster prejudices and falsehoods than are harmful. Just as I wouldn’t read a “good read” that fostered the impression that all Blacks have inferior minds but can dance or jump high even though I know this is untrue, I see know reason to read a book that promotes that idea that the Catholic Church is a corrupt evil institution dedicated to Satan.

Wow, you got much more out of that book than I did! Most of Dan Brown’s writings deal with the past, not present. Its kinda like blaming the present day Japanese for the bombing of pearl harbor - can’t do it. As for ‘fostering prejudices’ - well, you don’t know till you read it - but often it stimulates the mind to think a bit further than those who want to keep you in a box and ‘tell’ you what is right and true. I can’t do that either.

 

[Orionthehunter]

rtiffany:

Wow, you got much more out of that book than I did! Most of Dan Brown’s writings deal with the past, not present. Its kinda like blaming the present day Japanese for the bombing of pearl harbor - can’t do it. As for ‘fostering prejudices’ - well, you don’t know till you read it - but often it stimulates the mind to think a bit further than those who want to keep you in a box and ‘tell’ you what is right and true. I can’t do that either.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=77364

Look at this thread. This is why I think that despite the reviews that it is a “good read”, it is not a book/movie that should be encouraged.

 

[rtiffany]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=77364

Look at this thread. This is why I think that despite the reviews that it is a “good read”, it is not a book/movie that should be encouraged.

Interesting - this is not something that I read in the book - wonder where they got their info - I will have to check this out. My understanding of the King James version is that it was translated by Martin Luther (another translation) from its original language to german so the common folks could read the bible. Thats about where my education fades on that issue. I have read about Luther and the issues he had around women. (The only reason I mention that is whenever a translation is done, the translator’s biases often shine through in areas that could have more than one meaning - the translator will choose the meaning they want - not necessarily what the text really means)

 

[bones_IV]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=77364

Look at this thread. This is why I think that despite the reviews that it is a “good read”, it is not a book/movie that should be encouraged.

Or like Dan Brown making out Opus Dei memebers to be monks. Opus Dei as far as I know has absolutely no monks in its order period. Just imagine it, Dan Brown the old scribbler that he is, is throwing hissy fits.

The book goes on to farther say that Opus Dei drugged its members, murdered them, tortured them ect… And the Da Vinci code also says that Opus Dei was focused only on money and power. Once again false accusation.

 

[bones_IV]

bones_IV:

Or like Dan Brown making out Opus Dei memebers to be monks. Opus Dei as far as I know has absolutely no monks in its order period. Just imagine it, Dan Brown the old scribbler that he is, is throwing hissy fits.

The book goes on to farther say that Opus Dei drugged its members, murdered them, tortured them ect… And the Da Vinci code also says that Opus Dei was focused only on money and power. Once again false accusation.

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Seems to me that just like the left wing Socialists Nazi party came to power, fiction writers like Dan Brown are continuing their narcisstic-atheistic assualts on Christianity in general. Just like for example the soviet reporting agenda of the New York Times.

 

[rtiffany]

bones_IV:

Or like Dan Brown making out Opus Dei memebers to be monks. Opus Dei as far as I know has absolutely no monks in its order period. Just imagine it, Dan Brown the old scribbler that he is, is throwing hissy fits.

The book goes on to farther say that Opus Dei drugged its members, murdered them, tortured them ect… And the Da Vinci code also says that Opus Dei was focused only on money and power. Once again false accusation.

And once again, I did not read that in the book - there was one of the members focused on money, it said nothing of the rest. I also do not remember reading that Opus Dei drigged/murdered, or tortured its members - they did wear the calice (i think thats how you spell it) - a device used to inflict pain on the wearer - they chose to wear it!

 

[bones_IV]

rtiffany:

And once again, I did not read that in the book - there was one of the members focused on money, it said nothing of the rest. I also do not remember reading that Opus Dei drigged/murdered, or tortured its members - they did wear the calice (i think thats how you spell it) - a device used to inflict pain on the wearer - they chose to wear it!

I actually got that from Opus Dei’s website. They have a critique on the book. By the way, what exactly is a calice? Term doesn’t sound too familiar.

 

[rtiffany]

bones_IV:

I actually got that from Opus Dei’s website. They have a critique on the book. By the way, what exactly is a calice? Term doesn’t sound too familiar.

I don’t know if i spelled it correctly - it is a metal or leather belt with metal spikes on it that dig into the skin - used for self inflicted pain - something the wearer can wear anywhere unlike the lelf whippings of some monks. There is a specific term for that and it escapes me at the time

 

[bones_IV]

rtiffany:

I don’t know if i spelled it correctly - it is a metal or leather belt with metal spikes on it that dig into the skin - used for self inflicted pain - something the wearer can wear anywhere unlike the lelf whippings of some monks. There is a specific term for that and it escapes me at the time

Hmmm. Isn’t that self mutilation? Confused here. Is wearing the calice legal in church practice? Where did you get the information on the calice from?

 

[rtiffany]

bones_IV:

Hmmm. Isn’t that self mutilation? Confused here. Is wearing the calice legal in church practice? Where did you get the information on the calice from?

Self Mortification (that was the term I was looking for earlier).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_of_the_flesh
There were many devices used - whips, belts, hair shirts, all kinds of things to cause pain and suffering. I know, very strange, but this was big with the older churches and still is today - go figure

 

[bones_IV]

Cilice is how it is correctly spelled.

“Some Opus Dei members also make limited use of the cilice and discipline, types of mortification that have always had a place in the Catholic tradition because of their symbolic reference to Christ’s Passion. The Church teaches that people should take reasonable care of their physical health, and anyone with experience in this matter knows that these practices do not injure one’s health in any way. The Da Vinci Code’s description of the cilice and discipline is greatly exaggerated and distorted: it is simply not possible to injure oneself with them as the novel depicts. Moreover, their use is motivated by love of God and desire to unite oneself with Jesus Christ, not guilt, self-hatred or self-punishment.”

Link

 

[bones_IV]

rtiffany:

And once again, I did not read that in the book - there was one of the members focused on money, it said nothing of the rest.

The Da Vinci Code falsely portrays Opus Dei as being focused on wealth and power. The reality is that Opus Dei is focused on helping people grow in their faith and integrate it with their ordinary activities, not on gaining power to implement some political agenda. Similarly Opus Dei and its members have great concern for the poor, which is an important element of the Christian faith.

rtiffany:

I also do not remember reading that Opus Dei drigged/murdered, or tortured its members - they did wear the calice (i think thats how you spell it) - a device used to inflict pain on the wearer - they chose to wear it!

“In The Da Vinci Code, Opus Dei members are falsely depicted murdering, lying, drugging people, and otherwise acting unethically, thinking that it is justified for the sake of God, the Church, or Opus Dei (p. 13, 29, 58-9, etc.).”