Divine Liturgy

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I will be attending the divine liturgy on Christmas Day, but I need to know which Divine Liturgy is going to be celebrated, St. John Chrysostom or St. Basil? I need to know so I can print out a missal, the church does not have any in the pews.
 
The liturgy should be that of Saint Basil.

For your purposes, the difference is minor, the liturgy of Saint Basil is lengthened by the prayers of the priest.

What may be of greater interest for your part is the language used. Also various jurisdictions will shorten the litanies or skip some antiphons, so be prepared to make some jumps through your papers.

The various jurisdictions, both Catholic and Orthodox may use different texts in English.

Once a person becomes familiar with the liturgy the pewbook is unnecessary, it can easily be followed without texts.

In any event, many if not most parishes will have some text for visitors to follow. Sometimes they are handed out by greeters in the narthex, or they may be on a stand somewhere. I know that the Ruthenians are waiting for the new “peoples book” to be released, so my parish has nothing but old beat up copies that look 60 to 80 years old.
 
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Hesychios:
The liturgy should be that of Saint Basil.

For your purposes, the difference is minor, the liturgy of Saint Basil is lengthened by the prayers of the priest.

What may be of greater interest for your part is the language used. Also various jurisdictions will shorten the litanies or skip some antiphons, so be prepared to make some jumps through your papers.

The various jurisdictions, both Catholic and Orthodox may use different texts in English.

Once a person becomes familiar with the liturgy the pewbook is unnecessary, it can easily be followed without texts.

In any event, many if not most parishes will have some text for visitors to follow. Sometimes they are handed out by greeters in the narthex, or they may be on a stand somewhere. I know that the Ruthenians are waiting for the new “peoples book” to be released, so my parish has nothing but old beat up copies that look 60 to 80 years old.
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Could you send me one of those 80 year old prayerbooks???
 
can you recommend a good missla available for purchase today, that would have readings for all of the masses for the upcoming year?
 
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Hesychios:
The liturgy should be that of Saint Basil.
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Actually isn’t it St Basil on Christmas Eve day and St Chrysostom on Christmas Day?
 
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OrthoCath:
katolik,

How can you tell the difference? There is none!
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I guessed that by my own intuition I got that it is Orthodox. Then[right now basically[ I checked your past posts and it said http://www.kosovo.com”]www.kosovo.com and Catholics know that the serbians are very antiCatholic, ergo they are Orthodox
 
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ByzCath:
Actually isn’t it St Basil on Christmas Eve day and St Chrysostom on Christmas Day?
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Oops!

I suppose, I am all goofed up. 😃 thanks

I just checked the bulletin and you are right. We are having Vespers and Liturgy of St Basil at 10PM Friday 24 (with Royal hours in the morning Friday) followed by 10AM Liturgy of St John

Like I was saying, the difference is not enough to be truly concerned about for a one time visit, in my opinion, unless you have a plane to catch.

+T+
 
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OrthoCath:
Tells us what you think!
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This looks to me like the Serbian monastery of New Gracanica in Illinois (near Grayslake). I was there this summer at the Orthodox Festival of the Arts. The Serbs have a marvelous Slavonic liturgy.

The architecture there was outstanding, I fell in love with the place. My parish is decorated similarly on the inside, but nowhere near as nice on the outside.

We have been moving toward a pewless parish for a few years now but the long-time families aren’t going for it. I always stand (unless my back has given out on me).

+T+
 
Thank you everyone! I have attended two Divine Liturgies before, I love it! Both were the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. Thank you again, have a Merry Christmas.
 
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OrthoCath:
katolik,

How can you tell the difference? There is none!
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The only difference is the Byzantine Catholics will have prayers for the Pope in the Liturgy, whereas the Eastern Orthodox will not.
 
The only difference is the Byzantine Catholics will have prayers for the Pope in the Liturgy, whereas the Eastern Orthodox will not.
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This is hypothetically true, but usually not the case in practice.

In my own experience at least, Orthodox liturgies look more . . . “authentic” whereas the Eastern Catholic ones look . . . I dunno, like something is missing.

Thing are getting better though. I’ve seen pictures of Melkite Catholic liturgies, in the USA, that have blown me away.

If only the Melkite Patriarch wasn’t a quasi-schismatic . . .

😃
 
???

What’s up with the mime sitting on the right-hand side of the photo??
 
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katolik:
Catholics know that the serbians are very antiCatholic, ergo they are Orthodox
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Katolik,

How do we Catholics “know” that? And by what stretch do “anti-Catholic” and “Orthodox” become synonyms?

Many years,

Neil
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
In my own experience at least, Orthodox liturgies look more . . . “authentic” whereas the Eastern Catholic ones look . . . I dunno, like something is missing.
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Eric,

I don’t know where you’ve been attending Divine Liturgy, but I’d like to hear what it is that you think is missing.
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DominvsVobiscvm:
If only the Melkite Patriarch wasn’t a quasi-schismatic . . .
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That comment, besides being disrespectful, is untrue. It’s the second time I’ve seen you post a similar remark about His Beatitude and you owe a retraction as well as an apology to both him and my fellow Melkites.

Many years,

Neil
 
What’s up with the mime sitting on the right-hand side of the photo??
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I knew it! A Clown Mass!

I gues it’s a Catholic liturgy after all . . .

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And by what stretch do “anti-Catholic” and “Orthodox” become synonyms?
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You’re either being sarcastic, or you’re really naieve.

Maybe self-delusional . . .
 
That comment, besides being disrespectful, is untrue. It’s the second time I’ve seen you post a similar remark about His Beatitude and you owe a retraction as well as an apology to both him and my fellow Melkites.
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I owe no such thing. The Melkite Patriarchs’ propensity to schism and heretical ecclesiology has ben well-documented on these forums, and, surprisngly, by Father Ambrose.

Until I see documentation to the contrary I stand by my remarks.
I don’t know where you’ve been attending Divine Liturgy, but I’d like to hear what it is that you think is missing.
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I don’t quite know how to put my finger on it. I’ve yet to atted a Byzantine Catholic liturgy that wasn’t abridged, or that did not include Latinizations like holy water fonts, kneelers, stations of the cross, First Communion classes (for 7 year-olds), etc.

In most of the Byzantine parishes I’ve attended, the priests exhibits a sort of minimalism with the way he celebrates the liturgy.

But, as I’ve note, things are getting better. The Ukranian parish nearby is very authentic-looking (the liturgy is exactly the same as the one at the local Ukranian Orthodox Church) and the Byzantine-Ruthenian parish closest to me is getting better and better every year (my friend was just ordained a deacon there).

I haven’t been to the local Melkite one, but I’ve been told its extremely Latinized.

The Maronite and Syro-Malabar parishes are Latinized to the extreme, and don’t celebrate their liturgies with any sense of reverence or solemnity. Liturgy is facing the people, and it rather resembles a Novus Ordo with but different words.
 
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