Divine worship and the rise of ‘feel-good liturgy’

  • Thread starter Thread starter SJP
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
S

SJP

Guest
Source: thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/

Philosopher Laurence Paul Hemming’s critique of the changes to the Mass after the Second Vatican Council will shake the liturgical establishment, says Alcuin Reid

11 July 2008

[by Dr. Alcuin Reid]

We talk too much. We read too much. We hear too much. So much so, that we have lost the art of doing, of acting either as individuals or as a people. We no longer understand what it is to belong to a people who acts, who has “public action” of its own. We are no longer liturgical. For in our vernacularism and modernisation and reform, the very nature of the leiturgia - the nature of what is truly the work of the people - has been lost.

Today we seek to comprehend and explain and decide what we do in our churches but it is utterly questionable as to whether our people experience the liturgical revelation of Almighty God.

In fact, let’s drop the adjective “liturgical” and use Hemming’s words which assert that the liturgy is nothing less than “the ordinary and continual revealing of [God’s] truth”. If this is so, it cannot be a forum for our own self-expression. It cannot necessarily be within our immediate comprehension or subject to our didactic commentary. It must be experienced, indeed lived, as worship of Almighty God - as opposed to being “enjoyed” as a form of Christian activism - in order to begin to grasp something of what is being communicated in it: the very life of God Himself.

This raises the question not only of what liturgical practices are appropriate but, more fundamentally, of the place of the liturgy in Catholic theology.

Why has Hemming, essentially a philosopher, concerned himself with this question? The answer is simple. This is not an erudite academic discourse. Nor is it an ecclesio-political one. It is the fruit of the author’s experience of Catholic worship. It is also testament to his experience that most attempts to facilitate such connection in recent decades - from guitars to garrulous clergy - while they may have resulted in our happily holding hands with each other, have in part (at least) led us to forget about the worship of Almighty God.

And while modern liturgical forms might have led us to “feel good”, it is the former that most clearly and fruitfully reveals the Triune God who has definitively revealed himself in our history, and who thereby makes demands upon us by way of both orthopraxy and orthodoxy. Hemming - as a worshipping Catholic - knows this. As a philosopher and a theologian he has investigated its import for us today. Hence Worship as a Revelation.

This book’s philosophical and theological sophistication will challenge theologians and liturgists to re-examine their assumptions about how they perceive the relationship between theology and liturgy. For if worship is indeed the revelation of Almighty God, its centrality and indeed its priority in theological endeavour cannot be denied. The Sacred Liturgy can no longer be one component of theology; it must be its foundation, for theology that is not grounded in the living revelation of God rapidly degenerates into the mere study of religion.

Hemming’s evaluation of the liturgical reforms over the past century are provocative. Very few will have located the genesis of the late 20th-century liturgical crisis in the reign of the good and sainted Pope Pius X, but Hemming’s argument for precisely this is compelling.

The author wisely refrains from proposing simplistic solutions but allows us to see the anomalies of liturgical reform in the 20th century for what they are - a dangerous tampering with the continuity of God’s revelation. Few “trained liturgists” have been prepared to enter into serious debate on this question. It is to be hoped that this book might bring them forth.

For Hemming’s rich and clear liturgical theology is starkly distinct from that prevailing in the western Catholic Church because it is not based on the desire for archaeological reconstruction of a “dreamtime” primitive liturgical purity, nor indeed for a modern ideological construction of something tailor-made for “modern man”.

Hemming is no ideologue, nor is he an antiquarian. Catholic worship is indeed a revelation. It is a live epiphany. It is tangible theology. It is the very heart - indeed the “source and summit” - of our faith. That, of course, is why we tamper with the liturgy at our peril. That is why Pope Benedict XVI has placed the reform of the Sacred Liturgy so high on the agenda of this pontificate. And that is why this book will provoke the liturgical establishment, for Hemming does not accept that the apotheosis of all Christian liturgy may be found in the forms produced following the Second Vatican Council, or indeed in the manner in which these forms have been celebrated in the subsequent years.

The role of Sacred Scripture in the life of the Church is another area in which his liturgical theology makes serious and important claims. In short, he points out - and at last someone has had the courage and clarity to do this - that “the liturgy is the proper ground of Scripture (and not the other way round, ie the false view that the liturgy derives from Scripture),” or, put more simply, in the modern understanding of the relationship between the liturgy and scripture, “scripture has lost its ground”.

This claim to priority on behalf of the liturgy over the biblical text will certainly provoke debate. But, once again, if Worship as a Revelation becomes a catalyst for the re-examination of what a Catholic understanding of the role of Sacred Scripture is, it shall have done very well indeed.

This then is a book that must be read and studied and read again by theologians, scripture scholars, liturgists, all seminary faculty and indeed by all liturgical practitioners.

It will challenge and it will inform. The pontificate of Pope Benedict continues to remind us that “the true celebration of the Sacred Liturgy is the centre of any renewal of the Church whatever”. Hemming has rendered the Church a fine service by pointing us along the path toward a true understanding of the liturgy, a path that cannot but inform our celebration of it.
 
Is this simply just another “cut and paste”, “bait and bash” thread?
 
Is this simply just another “cut and paste”, “bait and bash” thread?
No.

This is a Traditional Forum where issues related to Traditional Catholicism are discussed. Both Alcuin Reid and Dr. Hemming are highly respected scholars.

See for yourself:

Dr. Hemming
Alcuin Reid

If you don’t feel comfortable reading about or discussing issues related to Traditional Catholicism, perhaps you should find another forum to post in.
 
If you don’t feel comfortable reading about or discussing issues related to Traditional Catholicism, perhaps you should find another forum to post in.
It would be, oh so nice, if we actually did some reading and discussing of issues related to traditional Catholicism. But we both know that, that isn’t how it seems to work here.

Thread titles and OPs almost always carry some self-righteous snipe at the post Vatican II church or the NO/OF Mass.

The percentage of threads in this subforum that denigrate the Church today or it’s clergy in some way is disgusting. Denigrating the Church and/or it’s clergy hardly constitutes “Tradtional Catholicism” :mad:
 
It would be, oh so nice, if we actually did some reading and discussing of issues related to traditional Catholicism. But we both know that, that isn’t how it seems to work here.

Thread titles and OPs almost always carry some self-righteous snipe at the post Vatican II church or the NO/OF Mass.

The percentage of threads in this subforum that denigrate the Church today or it’s clergy in some way is disgusting. Denigrating the Church and/or it’s clergy hardly constitutes “Tradtional Catholicism” :mad:
I agree.

I certainly don’t like reading posts that trash the Pope, clergy or the Church.

That being said, there is a difference between, on the one hand, bashing the Church and on the other hand, taking issue with prudential decisions that those in the Church have made. The latter is entirely acceptable, so long as it is done in a way that is respectful. Both Dr. Hemming and Alcuin Reid fit into the second category. They offer legitimate criticism in a respectful manner, and that is why I posted the review. No bait or bash intended.👍
 
Source: thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/

Philosopher Laurence Paul Hemming’s critique of the changes to the Mass after the Second Vatican Council will shake the liturgical establishment, says Alcuin Reid

11 July 2008

[by Dr. Alcuin Reid]

We talk too much. We read too much. We hear too much. So much so, that we have lost the art of doing, of acting either as individuals or as a people. We no longer understand what it is to belong to a people who acts, who has “public action” of its own. We are no longer liturgical. For in our vernacularism and modernisation and reform, the very nature of the leiturgia - the nature of what is truly the work of the people - has been lost.

Today we seek to comprehend and explain and decide what we do in our churches but it is utterly questionable as to whether our people experience the liturgical revelation of Almighty God.

In fact, let’s drop the adjective “liturgical” and use Hemming’s words which assert that the liturgy is nothing less than “the ordinary and continual revealing of [God’s] truth”. If this is so, it cannot be a forum for our own self-expression. It cannot necessarily be within our immediate comprehension or subject to our didactic commentary. It must be experienced, indeed lived, as worship of Almighty God - as opposed to being “enjoyed” as a form of Christian activism - in order to begin to grasp something of what is being communicated in it: the very life of God Himself.

This raises the question not only of what liturgical practices are appropriate but, more fundamentally, of the place of the liturgy in Catholic theology.

Why has Hemming, essentially a philosopher, concerned himself with this question? The answer is simple. This is not an erudite academic discourse. Nor is it an ecclesio-political one. It is the fruit of the author’s experience of Catholic worship. It is also testament to his experience that most attempts to facilitate such connection in recent decades - from guitars to garrulous clergy - while they may have resulted in our happily holding hands with each other, have in part (at least) led us to forget about the worship of Almighty God.

And while modern liturgical forms might have led us to “feel good”, it is the former that most clearly and fruitfully reveals the Triune God who has definitively revealed himself in our history, and who thereby makes demands upon us by way of both orthopraxy and orthodoxy. Hemming - as a worshipping Catholic - knows this. As a philosopher and a theologian he has investigated its import for us today. Hence Worship as a Revelation.

This book’s philosophical and theological sophistication will challenge theologians and liturgists to re-examine their assumptions about how they perceive the relationship between theology and liturgy. For if worship is indeed the revelation of Almighty God, its centrality and indeed its priority in theological endeavour cannot be denied. The Sacred Liturgy can no longer be one component of theology; it must be its foundation, for theology that is not grounded in the living revelation of God rapidly degenerates into the mere study of religion.

Hemming’s evaluation of the liturgical reforms over the past century are provocative. Very few will have located the genesis of the late 20th-century liturgical crisis in the reign of the good and sainted Pope Pius X, but Hemming’s argument for precisely this is compelling.

The author wisely refrains from proposing simplistic solutions but allows us to see the anomalies of liturgical reform in the 20th century for what they are - a dangerous tampering with the continuity of God’s revelation. Few “trained liturgists” have been prepared to enter into serious debate on this question. It is to be hoped that this book might bring them forth.

For Hemming’s rich and clear liturgical theology is starkly distinct from that prevailing in the western Catholic Church because it is not based on the desire for archaeological reconstruction of a “dreamtime” primitive liturgical purity, nor indeed for a modern ideological construction of something tailor-made for “modern man”.

Hemming is no ideologue, nor is he an antiquarian. Catholic worship is indeed a revelation. It is a live epiphany. It is tangible theology. It is the very heart - indeed the “source and summit” - of our faith. That, of course, is why we tamper with the liturgy at our peril. That is why Pope Benedict XVI has placed the reform of the Sacred Liturgy so high on the agenda of this pontificate. And that is why this book will provoke the liturgical establishment, for Hemming does not accept that the apotheosis of all Christian liturgy may be found in the forms produced following the Second Vatican Council, or indeed in the manner in which these forms have been celebrated in the subsequent years.

The role of Sacred Scripture in the life of the Church is another area in which his liturgical theology makes serious and important claims. In short, he points out - and at last someone has had the courage and clarity to do this - that “the liturgy is the proper ground of Scripture (and not the other way round, ie the false view that the liturgy derives from Scripture),” or, put more simply, in the modern understanding of the relationship between the liturgy and scripture, “scripture has lost its ground”.

This claim to priority on behalf of the liturgy over the biblical text will certainly provoke debate. But, once again, if Worship as a Revelation becomes a catalyst for the re-examination of what a Catholic understanding of the role of Sacred Scripture is, it shall have done very well indeed.

This then is a book that must be read and studied and read again by theologians, scripture scholars, liturgists, all seminary faculty and indeed by all liturgical practitioners.

It will challenge and it will inform. The pontificate of Pope Benedict continues to remind us that “the true celebration of the Sacred Liturgy is the centre of any renewal of the Church whatever”. Hemming has rendered the Church a fine service by pointing us along the path toward a true understanding of the liturgy, a path that cannot but inform our celebration of it.
No offense, but this sounds like the promotion of ‘mantic possession theory’, whereby believers are supposed to do nothing and just assume God has physically taken possession of them, operating them as if they were robots. Whatever happens next must be the work of the Lord, since only He is in charge, right?

Fundies can also believe in this sort of thing. I knew a Fundie who actually believed that every single thing he did (and he was a real nut-job, lemme tell ya. He was fired, and investigated for all sorts of serious ethical violations of our work-code), including sin, was the direct work of God.

Nope. God gave us Reason, so we can partake in His divine intelligence. That’s taught in the Catechism, by the way. I will never become a robot, for any reason, under any pretext.
 
No offense, but this sounds like the promotion of ‘mantic possession theory’, whereby believers are supposed to do nothing and just assume God has physically taken possession of them, operating them as if they were robots. Whatever happens next must be the work of the Lord, since only He is in charge, right?

Fundies can also believe in this sort of thing. I knew a Fundie who actually believed that every single thing he did (and he was a real nut-job, lemme tell ya. He was fired, and investigated for all sorts of serious ethical violations of our work-code), including sin, was the direct work of God.

Nope. God gave us Reason, so we can partake in His divine intelligence. That’s taught in the Catechism, by the way. I will never become a robot, for any reason, under any pretext.
Well, I don’t think Alcuin Reid or Dr. Hemming would suggest that you become “a robot” and I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion based on the review.

What I found interesting in the review was that both Reid and Hemming seem to challenge readers to rethink their paradigms about how we are to experience worship. I found this passage to be very interesting:
Today we seek to comprehend and explain and decide what we do in our churches but it is utterly questionable as to whether our people experience the liturgical revelation of Almighty God.
 
Reading the review and especially the passage that I quoted above reminded me of something that I read in “The Heresy of Formlessness” by Martin Mosebach:
What “active” role, for instance did the apostles play at the Last Supper? They let the astounding events enfold them, and when Peter started to resist, he was specifically instructed to be “passive”: “If I do not wash you, you have no part in me!” What I want to find in the Holy Mass is the happiness of the man in the New Testament who sits on the periphery and watches Christ passing by.
There is much to be said for recognizing that what we are experiencing is, in a way, incomprehensible. This truth, should be reflected in our worship.
 
The older I get the shorter my attention span gets, so I couldn’t sit through the article…sorry. But going by the title of the thead I will say that “feel-good liturgy” has been around a long time. When the priest invites us to “lift up our hearts” he’s asking for a response that might require some emotion on our part. I am convinced that neither progressives nor traditionalists, charismatics nor moderates, would bother to attend the Mass of their choice if it didn’t make them feel good.
  • Westy
 
Reading the review and especially the passage that I quoted above reminded me of something that I read in “The Heresy of Formlessness” by Martin Mosebach:

There is much to be said for recognizing that what we are experiencing is, in a way, incomprehensible. This truth, should be reflected in our worship.
I would agree with your comment to a degree.

Is there a difference though, between the apostles, who really didn’t have a clue as to what they were about to experience, and today’s faithful, who clearly know (or SHOULD KNOW) what they are experiencing at the Mass?

I can understand the apostles not knowing or understanding ahead of time (even though Christ gave them plenty of hints) and their being unprepared. But for us, it is different, no? Peter was instructed to be passive, because scripture had to be fulfilled. For us, it is past-tense…scripture has been fulfilled, and it is up to us to worship and follow Christ.
 
I am convinced that neither progressives nor traditionalists, charismatics nor moderates, would bother to attend the Mass of their choice if it didn’t make them feel good.
  • Westy
Yes, I would agree with that as well. From what I read here, those that faithfully attend the TLM do so because it makes them feel “right” about their form of worship. Maybe “good” isn’t the term I would use, but perhaps “right” or “spiritually fulfilled”?
 
The role of Sacred Scripture in the life of the Church is another area in which his liturgical theology makes serious and important claims. In short, he points out - and at last someone has had the courage and clarity to do this - that “the liturgy is the proper ground of Scripture (and not the other way round, ie the false view that the liturgy derives from Scripture),” or, put more simply, in the modern understanding of the relationship between the liturgy and scripture, “scripture has lost its ground”.
I think this is a very interesting concept, and really does deserve careful consideration by all. Have we managed to lose some of our proper understanding on these relationships? I do wonder.

It brings to mind the Orthodox who have such a wonderfully rich liturgical life. And of great importance I think they look to it for teaching. Often we Westerners are a bit lost looking at their faith, and since they have no central teaching authority such as we do, and have no official catechisms or the like it can often be said by Catholics that they have no clear dogmatic teachings. However, it seems to me that they are probably more united in their fundamentals than we Catholics are (just look at this forum) and one of the reasons is liturgical. When asked what they believe about this or that facet of the faith you are as likely to get a response of “In the liturgy we pray this …” as you are “St. Such and So said that …” The law of prayer truly is the law of belief for them, and there is a real virtue in that, regardless of their many failings in other areas. Could they be something of an example of what a proper view of the liturgy can accomplish?
 
I would agree with your comment to a degree.

Is there a difference though, between the apostles, who really didn’t have a clue as to what they were about to experience, and today’s faithful, who clearly know (or SHOULD KNOW) what they are experiencing at the Mass?

I can understand the apostles not knowing or understanding ahead of time (even though Christ gave them plenty of hints) and their being unprepared. But for us, it is different, no? Peter was instructed to be passive, because scripture had to be fulfilled. For us, it is past-tense…scripture has been fulfilled, and it is up to us to worship and follow Christ.
There is certainly a difference between what the Apostles knew and what all Catholics (should, as you pointed out) know about what Jesus was doing at the Last Supper.

However, despite our knowledge of the meaning of the events that occured at the Last Supper and The Event that occured on the Cross, I think we can both agree that Christ’s actions in instituting the Eucharist and His sacrifice on the cross remain shrouded in mystery. Those events are so sacred and awe inspiring and to think, that is what we experience every Sunday! It really is beyond understanding.

When faced with such a reality, how are we to respond, what can we “do?”

I think somewhere in his book Mosebach asks the same question and offers the following for meditation:
1 In the year that king Ozias died, I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne high and elevated: and his train filled the temple.
2 Upon it stood the seraphims: the one had six wings, and the other had six wings: with two they covered his face, and with two they covered his feet, and with two they flew. **
3
And they cried one to another, and said: Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God of hosts, all the earth is full of his glory, **
4 And the lintels of the doors were moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 And I said: ***Woe is me, because I have held my peace; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people that hath unclean lips, and I have seen with my eyes the King the Lord of hosts. ***Isaiah 6.1-5
 
Yes, I would agree with that as well. From what I read here, those that faithfully attend the TLM do so because it makes them feel “right” about their form of worship. Maybe “good” isn’t the term I would use, but perhaps “right” or “spiritually fulfilled”?
Yes, “right” would be a better word than “good.” What puts the worshiper in the “right” disposition is that he believes he is offering worship that pleases Almighty God. This in itself is self-fulfilling and spiritually satisfying.
  • Westy
 
Well, I don’t think Alcuin Reid or Dr. Hemming would suggest that you become “a robot” and I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion based on the review.

What I found interesting in the review was that both Reid and Hemming seem to challenge readers to rethink their paradigms about how we are to experience worship. I found this passage to be very interesting:
I have problems with postulations like that when they don’t advance to specifics. What the heck does that statement really mean? How can I act on that?🤷
 
I have problems with postulations like that when they don’t advance to specifics. What the heck does that statement really mean? How can I act on that?🤷
Well, I think much of our faith fails to advance to specifics. We will never know everything their is to know about God. We may never fully comprehend the Divine Mysteries. How does Divine Providence work? How do we reconcile predestination and Free Will? etc. etc.

That’s the exact point that Reid and Hemming are making (but applying it to the liturgy). To quote Reid:
In fact, let’s drop the adjective “liturgical” and use Hemming’s words which assert that the liturgy is nothing less than “the ordinary and continual revealing of [God’s] truth”. If this is so, it cannot be a forum for our own self-expression. It cannot necessarily be within our immediate comprehension or subject to our didactic commentary. It must be experienced, indeed lived, as worship of Almighty God - as opposed to being “enjoyed” as a form of Christian activism - in order to begin to grasp something of what is being communicated in it: the very life of God Himself.
We can’t “understand” everything that occurs in the Mass because it is, by nature, transcendent.

Recognition of this fact will undoubtedly influence the manner in which Mass is celebrated. Furthermore, it should challenge our paradigms about how the Mass is to be experienced (the two points are obviously connected.)
 
Well, I think much of our faith fails to advance to specifics. We will never know everything their is to know about God. We may never fully comprehend the Divine Mysteries. How does Divine Providence work? How do we reconcile predestination and Free Will? etc. etc.

That’s the exact point that Reid and Hemming are making (but applying it to the liturgy). To quote Reid:

We can’t “understand” everything that occurs in the Mass because it is, by nature, transcendent.

Recognition of this fact will undoubtedly influence the manner in which Mass is celebrated. Furthermore, it should challenge our paradigms about how the Mass is to be experienced (the two points are obviously connected.)
Yeah. I can relate. I’d like a more quiet, solemn Mass, along those lines. Less noise, fewer activities, more communion with God. I’ve often wondered how some of the new gestures and procedures snuck into the Mass. Where did hand-holding come from? Where did the outward extension of one’s arm at the greeting come from? Where did introductions before Mass come from? What’s next?

Most people who support this stuff usually quip, “early Church…early Church.” I’m getting suspicious of that claim. I think a lot of it is faddish, ‘feel-good’ stuff.👍
 
I have read the Holy Father’s three books on the liturgy. While he doesn’t necessarily refer to “feel-good liturgy” in those words, he decries Masses where the congregation celebrates itself. I take this to mean “feel-good” liturgies.

Feelings are fleeting. Don’t get me wrong. I am not trying to pooh-pooh them, but, if we make how we feel the end all and the be all of the Mass, then we have entirely missed the point.

A properly celebrated Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, with all of its majesty, dignity, solemnity and sobriety, brings about a deeper experience that penetrates down to the depths of the soul. This may not happen all of the time and we shouldn’t “feel” disappointed if this experience doesn’t happen to us.

However, when it does, it makes a powerful impact. And, as Cardinal Arinze noted in one of his speeches, it moves the heart so profoundly that it brings about a conversion.

During the Mass the veil between heaven and earth is lifted and the entire Church, the Church Triumphant, the Church Militant and the Church Suffering, come together as one. That is a fact routinely ignored by those who stress the “community”. We can’t see the saints and the souls in purgatory, but, they are present with us.

If I just want a “feel-good” experience, I can watch a replay of the Spurs’ 2007 NBA Championship game, where they won the title. That’s a “feel-good” experience. If I want a “feel-good” experience that is way stronger than that, I’ll watch an online replay of the day that Pope Benedict was elected to the Chair of St. Peter. That is an awesomely incredible “feel-good” experience.

But, if I want to encounter the Triune God in all of his Majesty, then I go to Mass and participate in divine worship.
 
A properly celebrated Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, with all of its majesty, dignity, solemnity and sobriety, brings about a deeper experience that penetrates down to the depths of the soul. This may not happen all of the time and we shouldn’t “feel” disappointed if this experience doesn’t happen to us.

However, when it does, it makes a powerful impact. And, as Cardinal Arinze noted in one of his speeches, it moves the heart so profoundly that it brings about a conversion.
In my experience all this has to do with the distractions at the Mass. The bigger the crowd, the more are the distractions, the lesser the impact! I used to go to the Mass in Montana, where there were only a handful of worshippers (30-40) at any given Sunday…and no choir, no band, just plain singing. It was so awesome, that I became very emotional quite often. Needless to say I loved it! Yes, it felt great!

Now I attend Mass in KS…and this Church is much bigger…usually seats about 2-300 worshippers/Mass, and there are at least 2 Masses in English, and one in Spanish. The quiet is all gone…either a child is crying on my right, or another one is playing to my left…people come and go during the services…all the awe and spiritual fulfilment is gone! The distractions are the primarily reason, and I have all kind of problems with the selection of songs they sing at this particular Church. There is no spiritual connection anymore! I go to the Mass and find myself totally passive in following the rituals…I used to get so fired up in that small Church in MT!!! I miss it, and I probably will miss it till I die!

I think that is the biggest problem a believer is facing at today’s Mass. Overcrowding, and distraction which are the result of overcrowding. The Mass is as personal as it can get. After all Christ is sacrificing Himself in the Eucharist, which is, or should be the most solemn moment at the Mass. But with all the noise around, this becomes very ordinary, and many lose their attention b/c of the distractions…The liturgy has a minimal role in all of this…the faithful could be just as fervent as before, IMHO…
 
I’ve noticed that if I don’t hold hands with the people next to me during the Our Father, they seem offended when it comes time to shake hands. Holding hands with strangers is so uncomfortable. Men don’t hold hands. A lone man and woman, standing next to each other as strangers, will also find it very uncomfortable to suddenly hold hands. I wish we could get rid of that practice.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top