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How about I just wait for the decree of nullity which at this point the divorce and the annulment and the annulment will have already taken longer than the marriage lasted. Oh and I’ll even check with my therapist and spiritual guide (It’s my priest -he prefers guide as opposed to director - doesn’t like that kind of authority) and we can forget about the Math.
 
Oh yes! I so agree with you! The fix for a broken heart is our Lord! Not a romance!!! It takes alot of time to heal from divorce, and more time to discern and pray about even the potential of starting a new romantic relationship. That being said, I do think that some people do mention that without meaning to harm. I think the original person that posted to her was just trying to make sure she knew that she possibly could eventually date one day with an annulment. I don’t think the poster meant to say hurry up and go do it.
On the other hand, our society does sort of look at relationships as disposible…and I am not talking about you folks here at CAF. The way I look at it is the time period after a divorce is precious time to try to get reacquainted with yourself and also a time period to build great friendships. 🙂
Well, somehow ‘moving on’ has come to be defined by being in a new relationship as an indication one has healed. This is a bit OT, but

I’ve come to see moving on as learning to live life without that other person, accepting the way things are and becoming comfortable with myself as a single person again. Come to grips with my faults and shortcomings that may have contributed to everything. I think rushing into a relationship right away would have been all about filling a void/hole in me vice bringing and giving something of myself to someone else.

Regardless of being Catholic I think there would have to be at least two things happen before I could consider another relationship.
  • Be at a point I wouldn’t take my ex back even if she was willing to. How could you even consider starting something with your heart in place where you’re not truly done with them? (actually saw this happen. Guy went to his ex a week before his wedding to his second bride and said if the ex was willing to take him back he’d cancel his wedding)
  • Be able to put as much commitment, effort and giving into the second relationship that I’d brought to the first one.
 
Well, somehow ‘moving on’ has come to be defined by being in a new relationship as an indication one has healed. This is a bit OT, but

I’ve come to see moving on as learning to live life without that other person, accepting the way things are and becoming comfortable with myself as a single person again. Come to grips with my faults and shortcomings that may have contributed to everything. I think rushing into a relationship right away would have been all about filling a void/hole in me vice bringing and giving something of myself to someone else.

Regardless of being Catholic I think there would have to be at least two things happen before I could consider another relationship.
  • Be at a point I wouldn’t take my ex back even if she was willing to. How could you even consider starting something with your heart in place where you’re not truly done with them? (actually saw this happen. Guy went to his ex a week before his wedding to his second bride and said if the ex was willing to take him back he’d cancel his wedding)
  • Be able to put as much commitment, effort and giving into the second relationship that I’d brought to the first one.
I wanna Catholic answers like this button…Want one.Want one. From moments like these.
 
How about I just wait for the decree of nullity which at this point the divorce and the annulment and the annulment will have already taken longer than the marriage lasted. Oh and I’ll even check with my therapist and spiritual guide (It’s my priest -he prefers guide as opposed to director - doesn’t like that kind of authority) and we can forget about the Math.
Forgetting the math sounds good!😉 Isn’t that amazing that the divorce and annulment are taking longer than the marriage! That is awesome you have a spiritual guide to help…
 
Well, somehow ‘moving on’ has come to be defined by being in a new relationship as an indication one has healed. This is a bit OT, but

I’ve come to see moving on as learning to live life without that other person, accepting the way things are and becoming comfortable with myself as a single person again. Come to grips with my faults and shortcomings that may have contributed to everything. I think rushing into a relationship right away would have been all about filling a void/hole in me vice bringing and giving something of myself to someone else.

Regardless of being Catholic I think there would have to be at least two things happen before I could consider another relationship.
  • Be at a point I wouldn’t take my ex back even if she was willing to. How could you even consider starting something with your heart in place where you’re not truly done with them? (actually saw this happen. Guy went to his ex a week before his wedding to his second bride and said if the ex was willing to take him back he’d cancel his wedding)
  • Be able to put as much commitment, effort and giving into the second relationship that I’d brought to the first one.
Please tell me that the marriage didn’t take place and that the second bride ran for her life! That is a very sad story.
Question…How does a person typically know that they have “crossed over” to the place in life when they wouldn’t take the other person back? Is it a matter of prayer and discernment? Or a change in circumstance? In my case, as horrible as it has been, there were things that happened (in relationship to my children) that would prevent me from ever taking my ex back. Just won’t happen…so in some ways that makes it somewhat easier for me. But if that had not happened, then I wonder what would be the determining factor…
 
Mamaslo…I found my Bible Promises book…It is called “The One Year book of Bible Promises” by Ruth Calkin. I opened it up and this is the bible verse I found…
1Peter 5:10
“And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.”

This so fits in with what we have been talking about healing after divorce. And Trying to Learn, what about the reference to “grace”…so reminds me of your teenage daughter!

I have been praying for all of you this morning and asking our Lord to give you a beautiful day! Blessings…
 
Oh yes! I so agree with you! The fix for a broken heart is our Lord! Not a romance!!! It takes alot of time to heal from divorce, and more time to discern and pray about even the potential of starting a new romantic relationship. That being said, I do think that some people do mention that without meaning to harm. I think the original person that posted to her was just trying to make sure she knew that she possibly could eventually date one day with an annulment. I don’t think the poster meant to say hurry up and go do it.
On the other hand, our society does sort of look at relationships as disposible…and I am not talking about you folks here at CAF. The way I look at it is the time period after a divorce is precious time to try to get reacquainted with yourself and also a time period to build great friendships. 🙂
Yes, and I would like to add, that people often think you just can’t possibly be happy without someone special…as if that truly makes you happy.

Having someone who loves you no matter what (or who is covenented to you and works at loving you regardless) is always helpful, but if you are not working toward healing on your own, how can someone actually make you happy?

the way I read the 10 commandments is…Love God with all your heart mind and strength, then your neighbor as yourself. If you love God that way, then…you will love your neighbor. Our Church has the annulment process, I think, not only so people can marry again, but to connect with God and heal. He helps us with other people as well as just straight up prayer and humility and work.
 
Maybe there is a support group for depression in CAF? If not, maybe you could start one:D…I think the incidence of depression in the population facing these types of spiritual questions/ and or issues must be extremely high. What part of our faith helps you when you feel depressed? Long ago, when my youngest child was seriously ill, a lady off an online support group for parents of chronically ill children sent me a book that was about Bible Promises. It was such a great help to me. At night, when my depression and anxiety was at a max, I could reach over and pick up my book and read page after page of promises the Lord gave us…it always seemed to help. Sort of reminds me of what Trying to Learn said about meditating on things he is thankful for as one of the three parts of his daily prayer ritual. What works for you?
There is one, but it doesn’t seem very active. The other site is ok, and they are there for me when I really state clearly…“i am having a bad day”…and that isn’t just because three huge bills came due…it’s because all the negative thoughts placed into my head as a small child or inherited from some other family member overwhelm me and at that point, I have one friend I talk to. That person, has earned the right to know, eventhough would rather I just be happy all the time. there is a God-given patience. It takes me forever, to find words for how I am feeling, but if a person listens and cares enough to know you, then after a while, it does relieve some of the pressure, it doesn’t fix it, but that may be where medicine and real therapy comes in.

I have dysthymia (at least that was the diagnosis about 12 or so years ago…maybe longer. As I have had these negative thoughts my whole life…even had a doctor in the 70s tell mom I would be into drugs etc (which didn’t totally happen) by the time I was in middle school.
I have had, as part of my gifts and talents, this desire to play music and to write and sing and impart something profound to others and all my writing was dark, so I had this idea “tell someone you know as a musician this dark stuff” for some reason I trusted this person, this journey has helped not only me grow but it gave a voice to those thoughts. They were there anyway, but would only come out in writing. Am I healed…far from it, but I have a brother and friend who has my back, who will slow down for a little bit on one of those “bad days” as it takes me a while to say something. I used to come out kicking, but I am learning to give fair warning, then my friend gives me some ear time. Encouragement, some “you can’t be at fault for everything!” So that helps, most would give me a pat on the back then stay away. Just too much intensity for them.

Now through this ALL, Jesus stands with me. I know He is here. I know he is the teacher of love and guides my life, often the other voices are louder and have started to beat me down, but he is here. So the gift of Hope, and faith, are the Holy Spirit keeping me hanging on. I at least have one friend who knows me well enough to know it is for his benefit and mine to help me walk through this bout of sadness or that one. No one else has really done that for me.

In my putative marriage, it has been about his depression, and my being strong. So my needs do not get addressed. I am not allowed to react and actually discuss my behavior, he shuts me out. this friend mentioned above, is actually the one who talked with him and asked him…“what the heck are you doing?!” See he has a clue about what marriage is supposed to look like…sacrifice. Putting the needs of your spouse ahead of your own. Does anyone do that perfectly, no. But the forgiveness of that is in the trying. I have had others say to me “well at least he is trying” that rates on “oh you will find someone new” with me. He wasn’t trying, he was holding everything over my head, arms crossed, o pitiful me. So my friend said…“can you at least be nice to her? You aren’t going to get anywhere with what you are doing, surely you see that. You aren’t going to get some big fanfare for being nice and you have to accept what you get, look at the person you are trying to win over…”

He has been nicer ever since (they talked for 3 hours). So true friendship, and a friend who tolerates my down periods, and takes the time to listen, and probably prays for me a lot. People are too afraid to associate too closely with anyone. To help them carry their cross.

Hope that wasn’t too long to simply say…a true friend who will stick closer than a brother, and the ONE who created that friend and is ALWAYS by my side hasn’t left me yet. I am hoping for more friends but friendships are just slow and some are riddled with their own trauma drama, and just take longer to bond with. It has helped me be more patient also and the blessing gets passed on to others.
 
Mamaslo…I found my Bible Promises book…It is called “The One Year book of Bible Promises” by Ruth Calkin. I opened it up and this is the bible verse I found…
1Peter 5:10
“And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.”

This so fits in with what we have been talking about healing after divorce. And Trying to Learn, what about the reference to “grace”…so reminds me of your teenage daughter!

I have been praying for all of you this morning and asking our Lord to give you a beautiful day! Blessings…
Yes, awesome. That is my hope. Today is a good day. So I can see Him working as you wrote from your book.
 
Mamaslo…I found my Bible Promises book…It is called “The One Year book of Bible Promises” by Ruth Calkin. I opened it up and this is the bible verse I found…
1Peter 5:10
“And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.”

This so fits in with what we have been talking about healing after divorce. And Trying to Learn, what about the reference to “grace”…so reminds me of your teenage daughter!

I have been praying for all of you this morning and asking our Lord to give you a beautiful day! Blessings…
Yes! What a great verse.

It’s no wonder it’s called the Living Word… There is such a depth of meaning that it’s impossible to see all sides of any verse unless you are in just the right place or have had that perspective shared with you by one who is there…

Thanks for sharing! Thanks for the prayers! Everyone participating and reading this thread has been in my prayers all week and will remain there.
 
Question…How does a person typically know that they have “crossed over” to the place in life when they wouldn’t take the other person back? Is it a matter of prayer and discernment? Or a change in circumstance?
For myself, I was being torn apart by hope for a reconciliation. Every contact was extremely psychologically and emotionally painful because I just didn’t know how to act and then would spend days trying to evaluate if I had made the situation worse. Finally I went to the priest and told him that I wanted to cut off all contact as I felt I was going crazy every time he phoned or emailed me. He asked a very pointed question, “has your husband given you any indication he was interested in reconciliation?” My answer was no. So I told my husband no calls, no emails, and don’t come to the house. I cut off contact except through the lawyers. Although he persisted for awhile it eventually stopped, after I heard rumors that he had a girlfriend.

Would I take him back? Only after a long period of marital counseling. Since I honestly don’t know the reason why he left I can’t say that it is impossible to repair our marriage. Only counseling will reveal that.

I know that I am unwilling to risk going through something like this again so I doubt I would ever consider remarriage even if my marriage was annulled. I think some of us women are simply ‘one man’ women. My mother has been widowed for 18 years. She still loves my dad and can’t look romantically at another man. I think a part of me will always love my husband and as long as I have that part in my heart there will be no room for another.
 
For myself, I was being torn apart by hope for a reconciliation. Every contact was extremely psychologically and emotionally painful because I just didn’t know how to act and then would spend days trying to evaluate if I had made the situation worse. Finally I went to the priest and told him that I wanted to cut off all contact as I felt I was going crazy every time he phoned or emailed me. He asked a very pointed question, “has your husband given you any indication he was interested in reconciliation?” My answer was no. So I told my husband no calls, no emails, and don’t come to the house. I cut off contact except through the lawyers. Although he persisted for awhile it eventually stopped, after I heard rumors that he had a girlfriend.

Would I take him back? Only after a long period of marital counseling. Since I honestly don’t know the reason why he left I can’t say that it is impossible to repair our marriage. Only counseling will reveal that.

I know that I am unwilling to risk going through something like this again so I doubt I would ever consider remarriage even if my marriage was annulled. I think some of us women are simply ‘one man’ women. My mother has been widowed for 18 years. She still loves my dad and can’t look romantically at another man. I think a part of me will always love my husband and as long as I have that part in my heart there will be no room for another.
Well. Coming to that point, a realization that you would never take them back, can seem to be a contradiction with our values as Catholics. Seeing marriage as a covenant between man, woman and God. As discussed earlier, God directed us to forgive even our enemies, and that if we expected Him to forgive us than we must forgive others as well. Does forgiveness of infidelity include taking the person back, does it have to? The Church’s teaching on the point has already been discussed. I believe one can truly forgive—that is, hold no ill will towards the person, desire their salvation, yet not be willing to live with them out of an inability to love them in that way, in an intimate way more than a Christian concern for their soul. More related to that in a bit.

But, for those of us who suspect an underlying mental health issue. We vowed ‘in sickness and in health’, so if there’s an underlying mental issue and they (or we) get treated, come to the realization they/we want to reconcile it would seem we’re obligated to make the attempt. But, if we only reconcile out of a sense of duty vice a desire to truly be with the person again- how successful will it be, how good a marriage can we make of it? Which is where I agree completely with Vsedriver—some sort of realistic pragmatic approach to the causes has to be a part of it or the cycle is likely to repeat.

I used to fly Search and Rescue (SAR). I would always brief the first rule of SAR—Never turn someone else’s bad day into your bad day. You can not help anyone if you’re swimming in the water next to them. Return to base, re-group, try again. It’s a simple reality that dealing with a lot of these issues is extremely difficult to the point of being damaging to one’s ego, sense of self, attitude, even to the point of driving you into depression. Many partners of depressives become depressed themselves—a very real physical condition involving the chemistry of the brain. This includes the shrinkage and lessening of activity of the region which controls the ability to process positive thoughts. psycheducation.org/mechanism/12Conclusion.htm
My son was the last of the kids to continue visiting his mother at her home. He forced himself to do that for her, seeing her as having driven away his sisters with himself as the last connection back to the family. The last thread. Her knight who could restore the Queen to her throne. God bless him, he has the heart of a warrior. But he reached a breaking point, he was going down mentally. The concept that you can’t help someone else if you’ve destroyed yourself helped him tremendously. It allowed him to make the call to go to a therapist, realize he’d tried his best and he needed to back out to save himself first, get stronger, try again. My point in all of the above is, there are situations where a person just simply can’t deal with the pain, the tension, everything without destroying themselves. I think you can love someone, but realize you just aren’t equipped or capable of dealing with their issues, especially if they won’t address the issues themselves. It takes a lot of soul-searching, but you have to know your limitations- again, you can not help someone or be a true partner to someone by destroying yourself.

I can relate to Vsedriver about being around that person you love. My situation is complicated by having kids, their mother having effectively driven them out of her home and their need to maintain some kind of connection with her. If I view it as their home, they should be able to invite their mother into their home. It’s a place where they are stronger, feel more comfortable, and have more control.

It’s this quandary of trying to understand what happened to the marriage which makes the annulment process a source of healing, REGARDLESS of the decision. It can help in one’s resolve to uphold the vows by asserting their validity. That there was a valid marriage, that we should be open to reconciliation. It can also help with the thing we’re (or maybe just myself) worst at - a neutral look at our own actions and contribution to the demise of the relationship. The annulment process (especially for those of us struggling to understand what happened) can help define the underlying issue which would need to be resolved.

Rainbow1, BTW—yes, he did marry his second wife at the end of the week as planned. They are still married and they’ve been together ~20 years.
 
Yes! What a great verse.

It’s no wonder it’s called the Living Word… There is such a depth of meaning that it’s impossible to see all sides of any verse unless you are in just the right place or have had that perspective shared with you by one who is there…

Thanks for sharing! Thanks for the prayers! Everyone participating and reading this thread has been in my prayers all week and will remain there.
After I read your post , I got into a little mental gymnastics about how truly our God is a Living God…and how it is almost like He has a mouth if we listen, and how God tries every which way to lead us, comfort us, teach us, and love us. Then I got in my car to take my daughter her lunch, and was listening to a Christian music station…on comes the song, “Bring Love to Life inside of Me” by Big Daddy Weave. If you get a chance, check out the lyrics…all I can say is, “God is Amazing”…
Thanks for the prayers!
 
There is one, but it doesn’t seem very active. The other site is ok, and they are there for me when I really state clearly…“i am having a bad day”…and that isn’t just because three huge bills came due…it’s because all the negative thoughts placed into my head as a small child or inherited from some other family member overwhelm me and at that point, I have one friend I talk to. That person, has earned the right to know, eventhough would rather I just be happy all the time. there is a God-given patience. It takes me forever, to find words for how I am feeling, but if a person listens and cares enough to know you, then after a while, it does relieve some of the pressure, it doesn’t fix it, but that may be where medicine and real therapy comes in.

I have dysthymia (at least that was the diagnosis about 12 or so years ago…maybe longer. As I have had these negative thoughts my whole life…even had a doctor in the 70s tell mom I would be into drugs etc (which didn’t totally happen) by the time I was in middle school.
I have had, as part of my gifts and talents, this desire to play music and to write and sing and impart something profound to others and all my writing was dark, so I had this idea “tell someone you know as a musician this dark stuff” for some reason I trusted this person, this journey has helped not only me grow but it gave a voice to those thoughts. They were there anyway, but would only come out in writing. Am I healed…far from it, but I have a brother and friend who has my back, who will slow down for a little bit on one of those “bad days” as it takes me a while to say something. I used to come out kicking, but I am learning to give fair warning, then my friend gives me some ear time. Encouragement, some “you can’t be at fault for everything!” So that helps, most would give me a pat on the back then stay away. Just too much intensity for them.

Now through this ALL, Jesus stands with me. I know He is here. I know he is the teacher of love and guides my life, often the other voices are louder and have started to beat me down, but he is here. So the gift of Hope, and faith, are the Holy Spirit keeping me hanging on. I at least have one friend who knows me well enough to know it is for his benefit and mine to help me walk through this bout of sadness or that one. No one else has really done that for me.

In my putative marriage, it has been about his depression, and my being strong. So my needs do not get addressed. I am not allowed to react and actually discuss my behavior, he shuts me out. this friend mentioned above, is actually the one who talked with him and asked him…“what the heck are you doing?!” See he has a clue about what marriage is supposed to look like…sacrifice. Putting the needs of your spouse ahead of your own. Does anyone do that perfectly, no. But the forgiveness of that is in the trying. I have had others say to me “well at least he is trying” that rates on “oh you will find someone new” with me. He wasn’t trying, he was holding everything over my head, arms crossed, o pitiful me. So my friend said…“can you at least be nice to her? You aren’t going to get anywhere with what you are doing, surely you see that. You aren’t going to get some big fanfare for being nice and you have to accept what you get, look at the person you are trying to win over…”

He has been nicer ever since (they talked for 3 hours). So true friendship, and a friend who tolerates my down periods, and takes the time to listen, and probably prays for me a lot. People are too afraid to associate too closely with anyone. To help them carry their cross.

Hope that wasn’t too long to simply say…a true friend who will stick closer than a brother, and the ONE who created that friend and is ALWAYS by my side hasn’t left me yet. I am hoping for more friends but friendships are just slow and some are riddled with their own trauma drama, and just take longer to bond with. It has helped me be more patient also and the blessing gets passed on to others.
Mamaslo,
Thanks for sharing about your battles with depression. What a wonderful thing that you have found music to be healing to you …do you have any lyrics you can share? Try to think of yourself as a person who has had some experience with depression and not a depressed person…sort of like how us folks who have been through a divorce might think of ourselves as a person who has experienced divorce rather than a divorced person. Gosh, I struggle with that sometimes and force myself to remember not to let divorce define who I am… I am glad you have found a friend who is advocating for your marriage. Three hours conversation that led to your husband being a little nicer…wow!!! It truly is hard to find holy friendships, but when you do, they are sooo, sooo special…
God bless you and I am happy you are having a nice day…
 
Mamaslo,
Thanks for sharing about your battles with depression. What a wonderful thing that you have found music to be healing to you …do you have any lyrics you can share? Try to think of yourself as a person who has had some experience with depression and not a depressed person…sort of like how us folks who have been through a divorce might think of ourselves as a person who has experienced divorce rather than a divorced person. Gosh, I struggle with that sometimes and force myself to remember not to let divorce define who I am… I am glad you have found a friend who is advocating for your marriage. Three hours conversation that led to your husband being a little nicer…wow!!! It truly is hard to find holy friendships, but when you do, they are sooo, sooo special…
God bless you and I am happy you are having a nice day…
The lyrics thing is a work in progress and I don’t think this is the right place to share that.

The jury is out for the “marriage” but I just see it as I am where I am in my journey. Sometimes standing firm is not just being stubborn. Other times, we are just big dadgum babies. I have felt it is supposed to be a time for discernment, i get so angry sometimes, and if he had just had the annulment as promised, then I would not be where I am now. There was zero support other than prayers and others well-wishing, but most of the time judgement, and side-taking, and lots of painful stuff. so my resources were dwindled. maybe you are right about seeing myself as not a depressed person, but as someone who gets depressed…as a point of not letting it define me.

but on the other hand…tevye (fiddler on the roof)…it does effect so much, I just keep doing good interesting stuff regardless.
 
Please tell me that the marriage didn’t take place and that the second bride ran for her life! That is a very sad story.
Question…How does a person typically know that they have “crossed over” to the place in life when they wouldn’t take the other person back? Is it a matter of prayer and discernment? Or a change in circumstance? In my case, as horrible as it has been, there were things that happened (in relationship to my children) that would prevent me from ever taking my ex back. Just won’t happen…so in some ways that makes it somewhat easier for me. But if that had not happened, then I wonder what would be the determining factor…
This has been a tough process for me. During therapy I went back in forth with telling my therapist that I could never get a divorce because I am Catholic to falling apart and saying I can’t handle being married anymore.

I still have never used the divorce card with my husband and have not talked to a priest but have talked to a divorce lawyer. I pray during adoration and am waiting for the time to feel right to leave. I feel God is telling me not yet because of the kids and not that I have to stay for the rest of my life. I know that I am not emotionally stable enough to stay with my husband. He tears me up inside. He needs a stronger woman that could stick up for herself.

I truly believe I am not in a valid marriage. God was not part of either of our lives when we got married. I am lucky that when going through the annulment, they only have to look at my faults to determine if the marriage was valid. I have plenty of witnesses that know about my childhood abuse and my addictions.
 
This has been a tough process for me. During therapy I went back in forth with telling my therapist that I could never get a divorce because I am Catholic to falling apart and saying I can’t handle being married anymore.

I still have never used the divorce card with my husband and have not talked to a priest but have talked to a divorce lawyer. I pray during adoration and am waiting for the time to feel right to leave. I feel God is telling me not yet because of the kids and not that I have to stay for the rest of my life. I know that I am not emotionally stable enough to stay with my husband. He tears me up inside. He needs a stronger woman that could stick up for herself.

I truly believe I am not in a valid marriage. God was not part of either of our lives when we got married. I am lucky that when going through the annulment, they only have to look at my faults to determine if the marriage was valid. I have plenty of witnesses that know about my childhood abuse and my addictions.
The big question you will need to ask yourself as well is can you live with the decision if your marriage is valid. That was the day I knew I could file.
 
The big question you will need to ask yourself as well is can you live with the decision if your marriage is valid. That was the day I knew I could file.
Absolutely. I dream of the day that I can come home to a house and feel safe and be alone. Would I like a second chance. Yes. Do a deserve i second chance. Probably not.
 
Well. Coming to that point, a realization that you would never take them back, can seem to be a contradiction with our values as Catholics. Seeing marriage as a covenant between man, woman and God. As discussed earlier, God directed us to forgive even our enemies, and that if we expected Him to forgive us than we must forgive others as well. Does forgiveness of infidelity include taking the person back, does it have to? The Church’s teaching on the point has already been discussed. I believe one can truly forgive—that is, hold no ill will towards the person, desire their salvation, yet not be willing to live with them out of an inability to love them in that way, in an intimate way more than a Christian concern for their soul. More related to that in a bit.

But, for those of us who suspect an underlying mental health issue. We vowed ‘in sickness and in health’, so if there’s an underlying mental issue and they (or we) get treated, come to the realization they/we want to reconcile it would seem we’re obligated to make the attempt. But, if we only reconcile out of a sense of duty vice a desire to truly be with the person again- how successful will it be, how good a marriage can we make of it? Which is where I agree completely with Vsedriver—some sort of realistic pragmatic approach to the causes has to be a part of it or the cycle is likely to repeat.

I used to fly Search and Rescue (SAR). I would always brief the first rule of SAR—Never turn someone else’s bad day into your bad day. You can not help anyone if you’re swimming in the water next to them. Return to base, re-group, try again. It’s a simple reality that dealing with a lot of these issues is extremely difficult to the point of being damaging to one’s ego, sense of self, attitude, even to the point of driving you into depression. Many partners of depressives become depressed themselves—a very real physical condition involving the chemistry of the brain. This includes the shrinkage and lessening of activity of the region which controls the ability to process positive thoughts. psycheducation.org/mechanism/12Conclusion.htm
My son was the last of the kids to continue visiting his mother at her home. He forced himself to do that for her, seeing her as having driven away his sisters with himself as the last connection back to the family. The last thread. Her knight who could restore the Queen to her throne. God bless him, he has the heart of a warrior. But he reached a breaking point, he was going down mentally. The concept that you can’t help someone else if you’ve destroyed yourself helped him tremendously. It allowed him to make the call to go to a therapist, realize he’d tried his best and he needed to back out to save himself first, get stronger, try again. My point in all of the above is, there are situations where a person just simply can’t deal with the pain, the tension, everything without destroying themselves. I think you can love someone, but realize you just aren’t equipped or capable of dealing with their issues, especially if they won’t address the issues themselves. It takes a lot of soul-searching, but you have to know your limitations- again, you can not help someone or be a true partner to someone by destroying yourself.

I can relate to Vsedriver about being around that person you love. My situation is complicated by having kids, their mother having effectively driven them out of her home and their need to maintain some kind of connection with her. If I view it as their home, they should be able to invite their mother into their home. It’s a place where they are stronger, feel more comfortable, and have more control.

It’s this quandary of trying to understand what happened to the marriage which makes the annulment process a source of healing, REGARDLESS of the decision. It can help in one’s resolve to uphold the vows by asserting their validity. That there was a valid marriage, that we should be open to reconciliation. It can also help with the thing we’re (or maybe just myself) worst at - a neutral look at our own actions and contribution to the demise of the relationship. The annulment process (especially for those of us struggling to understand what happened) can help define the underlying issue which would need to be resolved.

Rainbow1, BTW—yes, he did marry his second wife at the end of the week as planned. They are still married and they’ve been together ~20 years.
Am so with you about the soul-searching stuff…so important in every step of the whole process…and discernment…
Love the rules of SAR! That is such an interesting parallel to divorce!
I wish the gentleman who asked his ex the week before remarrying had thought it through before getting engaged…wow, that could have been a real heart breaker, if it wasn’t. I wonder if the new wife knows, and if so, how she copes with that…
 
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