Do all Christians have to become Catholic prior to entering heaven?

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Do all Christians have to become Catholic prior to entering heaven?

When a non-Catholic Christian dies, is there a point where he/she becomes Catholic, prior to entering heaven?

If Purgatory exists, then it exists for everyone, even non-Catholics, so, do non-Catholics become Catholic while in Purgatory?

*There is only One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, in Full Communion with all of the Angels and Saints…. *

Therefore, there is suppose to be one Christian faith in heaven and on earth, one united belief… right?

*Christianity, isn’t divided in heaven, so there must be only one Christian faith and one Christian belief…and if this is true, then why are there so many, who are upset when Catholics refuse to compromise, when it comes to their Catholic beliefs? *

*For instance, for those “Christians’ and “Christian denominations” who support, or believe in gay marriage and abortion, if they are wrong and do not change their beliefs….they don’t go to heaven….right? *

It isn’t possible for all denominations, which all have different moral beliefs, to be right.

*When it comes to Christian beliefs concerning issues of faith and morals, there must be one united belief….one Christian religion. *

So, doesn’t’ it follow that everyone in heaven is Catholic? At what point do non-Catholics become Catholic before entering heaven?

Something to think about…

Your Thoughts?

Thank you!
 
Jimmy_B said:
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Do all Christians have to become Catholic prior to entering heaven?
When a non-Catholic Christian dies, is there a point where he/she becomes Catholic, prior to entering heaven?

If Purgatory exists, then it exists for everyone, even non-Catholics, so, do non-Catholics become Catholic while in Purgatory?

*There is only One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, in Full Communion with all of the Angels and Saints…. *

Therefore, there is suppose to be one Christian faith in heaven and one Christian faith here on earth… right?

*Christianity, isn’t divided in heaven, so there must be only one Christian faith and one Christian belief…and if this is true, then why are there so many, who are upset when Catholics refuse to compromise, when it comes to their Catholic Beliefs? *

*For instance, for those “Christians’ and “Christian denominations” who support, or believe in gay marriage and abortion, if they are wrong and do not change their beliefs….they don’t go to heaven….right? *

It isn’t possible for all denominations, which all have different moral beliefs, to be right.

*When it comes to Christian beliefs concerning issues of faith and morals, there must be one united belief….one Christian religion. *

So, doesn’t’ it follow that everyone in heaven is Catholic? At what point do non-Catholics become Catholic before entering heaven?

Something to think about…

Your Thoughts?

Thank you!
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Hi Jimmy,
Yes, all entering heaven become catholic, though we may disagree whether or not that catholicity is in the Vatican sense.

And btw, if I’m wrong about Purgatory, I will gladly go there to be cleansed by the righteousness of Christ.

Jon
 
Yes. The Bride of Christ is the Catholic Church. All those who are saved will have repented, and they will know the truth and the truth will set them free - from “prison” - to enter Heaven! :yup:
 
I fancifully imagine that all Protestants who weren’t exactly anti-Catholic will just see their mistake on their deathbeds. Anti-Catholics will go through RCIA for Purgatory and have Popes for sponsors.
 
I think that one must become a member of the Catholic Church while on earth rather than falsely hope to become one after his/her physical death or prior to entering heaven. I do not see the purpose of establishing Christ’s Church as one, of preserving and protecting the Catholic faith, of rooting out heresies, of celebrating the Mass, of partaking in the holy communion, of finding that one lost sheep, of heaven celebrating the return of a prodigal son, of persevering to the end, of administering the last rite, bla…bla…bla… if some non-Catholics can do their repentance in purgatory and pass thru it grinning while the poor catholic do his suffering there.

As sincere Catholics, we, members as one, becomes the bride of Christ- blameless, spotless, and without wrinkle. We are washed clean by the blood of Christ through the sacraments and/or purged prior to final judgment and properly marked by the seal of the Holy One.

Now how could others be washed clean if they refused to even become part of that body? How can they be purged? Certainly, those put away by Christ on judgment day recognize him for they know and remember how to say, “Lord, Lord…”. And certainly, those people are not non-Christians. And obviously… they didn’t go through purgatory for they showed up then were rejected by the Lord!

So not all go through purgatory, I think. (The parable of the poor Lazarus and the rich man comes to mind). But if some non-Catholics ever go there, and get purged, it’s probably because they were totally misled but repented before death or because of what’s indicated in the CCC or Lumen Gentium(?)- they led a righteous life and were invincibly ignorant of the Catholic faith until their deaths.

Just my thoughts, though…

‘Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Lead all souls to heaven especially those in most need of Thy mercy.’
'Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death, amen.’

May God bless you, Jimmy.
 
I fancifully imagine that all Protestants who weren’t exactly anti-Catholic will just see their mistake on their deathbeds.
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Strangely, I’ve known protestants to say the same thing of Catholics!
It isn’t possible for all denominations, which all have different moral beliefs, to be right.
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When it comes to Christian beliefs concerning issues of faith and morals, there must be one united belief….one Christian religion.
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So, doesn’t’ it follow that everyone in heaven is Catholic? At what point do non-Catholics become Catholic before entering heaven?
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By Catholic here, I’m assuming you mean Roman Catholic. I agree, of course, that everyone will have one faith, but I’m not sure that will nescesarily mean a Catholic one. It seems idolatrous to me to claim that the teaching of the Catholic Church is more correct in every respect, compared to other denominations. Historically, the teaching of the Church has changed, so it cannot be infallible! Additionally, some of those changes were (if I remember correctly), the result of the reformation, and were things that the protestant Churches had already instituted!

Vert
 
I’ve always been taught that it’s best not to think about who will and who won’t be saved (that is, groups) because belonging to one group or another is not what saves us. Christ saved us, we just need to accept his sacrifice and spread the Gospel.

God bless.
 
uh no? I seriously doubt Jesus is gonna be ticked cause someone doesn’t have the right church affiliation. If they believen him fully, then it shouldn’t matter.

Jimmy, I know, your probably gonna reply with something from a priest/bishop/pope, or maybe even a early church father, but be aware, their opinoin matters very little to me, not as little as your opinoin does, but still little.

This is ChristianKnight btw, back to haunt you, muhaha. just kiddin, but ya, its me.
 
Where in the bible does it say that? No where. Paul says as long as you Believe in Jesus Christ as lord and savior you are saved.
The first Christan were more Jewish then Christan so maybe you should check the Bible. That seems like an outside source to me saying that. God still answer my prayers I’m Christan but not catholic in the least.
 
vert said:
Strangely, I’ve known protestants to say the same thing of Catholics!

By Catholic here, I’m assuming you mean Roman Catholic. I agree, of course, that everyone will have one faith, but I’m not sure that will nescesarily mean a Catholic one. It seems idolatrous to me to claim that the teaching of the Catholic Church is more correct in every respect, compared to other denominations. Historically, the teaching of the Church has changed, so it cannot be infallible! …
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Hello Vert,

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It seems idolatrous to me to claim that the teaching of the Catholic Church is more correct in every respect, compared to other denominations.
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“idolatrous”

This is an interesting choice of words, could you please explain this comment? Are you inferring that a Catholic, who defends their faith is somehow breaking a Commandment?
Catechism of the Catholic Church
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843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”
John 7:24, 51
24 “Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly”.
51 “Does our law condemn a person before it first hears him and finds out what he is doing?”
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As far as your comment -
Historically, the teaching of the Church has changed, so it cannot be infallible!
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Would you please provide an example of this, as well? Infallibility only applies to matters of faith and morals.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - Infallibilty

889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a “supernatural sense of faith” the People of God, under the guidance of the Church’s living Magisterium, “unfailingly adheres to this faith.”

890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium’s task to preserve God’s people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church’s shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms:

891 “The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine “for belief as being divinely revealed,” and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions “must be adhered to with the obedience of faith.” This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.
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892 Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a “definitive manner,” they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful “are to adhere to it with religious assent” which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of it.

2035 The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed.

2051 The infallibility of the Magisterium of the Pastors extends to all the elements of doctrine, including moral doctrine, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, expounded, or observed.

Thank you.
 
BareKnuckler said:
uh no? I seriously doubt Jesus is gonna be ticked cause someone doesn’t have the right church affiliation. If they believen him fully, then it shouldn’t matter.

Jimmy, I know, your probably gonna reply with something from a priest/bishop/pope, or maybe even a early church father, but be aware, their opinoin matters very little to me, not as little as your opinoin does, but still little.

This is ChristianKnight btw, back to haunt you, muhaha. just kiddin, but ya, its me.
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Does this matter?

James 2:19
19 You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.

Luke 6:46
46 "Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ but not do what I command?

Matthew 7:21
21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, 10 but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
23 Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. 11 Depart from me, you evildoers.’

John 14:15,24
15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words; yet the word you hear is not mine but that of the Father who sent me.

John 7:17
18 Whoever speaks on his own seeks his own glory, but whoever seeks the glory of the one who sent him is truthful, and there is no wrong in him.

2 Peter 2:1-4
1 There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who ransomed them, bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their licentious ways, and because of them the way of truth will be reviled.
3 In their greed they will exploit you with fabrications, but from of old their condemnation has not been idle and their destruction does not sleep.
4 For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but condemned them to the chains of Tartarus and handed them over to be kept for judgment;

Matthew 7:13-18
13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many.
14 How narrow the gate and constricted the road that leads to life. And those who find it are few.
15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.
16 By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.

Romans 1:17
17 For in it is revealed the righteousness of God from faith to faith; as it is written, “The one who is righteous by faith will live.”
18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.
20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;
21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools

Ephesians 4:4,5
4 one body and one Spirit, as you were also called to the one hope of your call;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

What happened to “ChristianKnight”?

Peace
 
BareKnuckler said:
I am kinda lost, but what was that scripture supposed to prove?

I am no longer a Christian, so the name sounded rather stupid to have.
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John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Hello BareKnuckler / ChristianKnight,

****You’ll be ok, Jesus loves you and I will pray for you. ****

Here are a couple videos that I enjoy listening to.

Amazing Grace - Judy Collins and the choir / with Lyrics

Holy Mother - by Eric Clapton

I Can Only Imagine – Catholic Version

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May God Bless You!
 
Jimmy_B said:
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Do all Christians have to become Catholic prior to entering heaven?

When a non-Catholic Christian dies, is there a point where he/she becomes Catholic, prior to entering heaven?

If Purgatory exists, then it exists for everyone, even non-Catholics, so, do non-Catholics become Catholic while in Purgatory?

*There is only One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, in Full Communion with all of the Angels and Saints…. *

Therefore, there is suppose to be one Christian faith in heaven and on earth, one united belief… right?

*Christianity, isn’t divided in heaven, so there must be only one Christian faith and one Christian belief…and if this is true, then why are there so many, who are upset when Catholics refuse to compromise, when it comes to their Catholic beliefs? *

*For instance, for those “Christians’ and “Christian denominations” who support, or believe in gay marriage and abortion, if they are wrong and do not change their beliefs….they don’t go to heaven….right? *

It isn’t possible for all denominations, which all have different moral beliefs, to be right.

*When it comes to Christian beliefs concerning issues of faith and morals, there must be one united belief….one Christian religion. *

So, doesn’t’ it follow that everyone in heaven is Catholic? At what point do non-Catholics become Catholic before entering heaven?

Something to think about…

Your Thoughts?

Thank you!
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if anyone can enter Heaven without being in the Catholic Church, then why Jesus would find One Church? what is the point of having One Church? and why Jesus point out that at the end many would say Lord, Lord… have i not done this and that in your name? and Jesus says: depart from me i dont know you. arent these people also christians? but yet they are not pleasing to our Lord. Why is that?

Peace to all.
 
I agree it does not matter as long as you believe in Jesus and of course Follow the Father Ten Commandments.
 
We may be catholic (small c ) in name but Baptist in doctrine.
 
wooka64 said:
I agree it does not matter as long as you believe in Jesus and of course Follow the Father Ten Commandments.
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Hello wooka64,

Welcome to CAF.

Which Ten Commandments should we follow?

**“C” - Catholic Ten Commandments **

**“P” - Protestant Ten Commandments (one version) **
C-1.** I, the Lord, am your God, **

P-1.** You shall have ****no other gods **
**You shall not have other gods but me **
**besides me **

C-2.** You shall not take the name of the Lord God **in vain

**P-2.****You shall not make unto you **
any graven images

**C-3. ****Remember to keep holy the **Lord’s Day

P-3.** You shall not take the name **
**Of the Lord your **God in vain

**C-4.**Honor your father and your mother

P-4.** You shall remember the **
Sabbath** and keep it holy **

C-5.** You shall not **kill

**P-5.****Honor your mother and father **

C-6.** You shall not commit **adultery

P-6.** You shall not ****murder **

**C-7. ****You shall not ****steal **

P-7.** You shall not commit ****adultery **

C-8.** You shall not bear **false witness

P-8.** You shall not ****steal **

C-9.** You shall not covet your neighbor’s **wife

P-9.** You shall not bear **false witness

C-10.** You shall not covet your neighbor’s **goods

**P-10. You shall not covet anything **
that belongs to your neighbor
 
MATTHEW 22:34-40

*When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, and one of them [a scholar of the law] tested him by asking, “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” He said to him, "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. *This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."
 
I thought their was only 1 thing of the ten commandments, what section is it in the bible? I will type what my bible says, and see if its like them.
 
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