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Pope John Paul II:
‘Animals Possess A Soul’

Pope John Paul II declared in a public audience
in 1990 that “also the animals possess a soul and
men must love and feel solidarity with our smaller brethren”.
He said, too, that they are the “fruit of the creative
action of the Holy Spirit and merit respect,” and are
as near to God as men are."

The Pope went on to say that, “animals have the breath
of life and were given it by God. In this respect, man
created by the hand of God is identical with all living
creatures. … The existence therefore of all living creatures
depends on the living spirit/breath of God that not only
creates but also sustains and renews the face of the earth.”

It seems as Pope John Paul II thought very highly of animals. He didn’t say they would be in heaven though.
 
LOL … yeah, sometimes the wrongness of a position can be so clear that you need a degree to believe it.
Godwin’s Law! Godwin’s Law! Conversation OVER!

But I wouldn’t be suprised if this guy believed Stalin was a good guy and that Hitler was just misunderstood.
Godwin’s Law! Godwin’s Law! Conversation OVER!:confused::confused:

But I wouldn’t be suprised if this guy believed Stalin was a good guy and that Hitler was just misunderstood

actually i think Hitler’s only problem was he had Attention Deficit Disorder…

I’m sure the Jews had other thoughts…

they would probably agree w/ me, that he was possessed…

oh, that reminds me… i read this thing about how the Virgin Mary spoke to this priest and she often referred to people living in this age (1990s)… those who don’t accept Christ and live like heathens… as possessed…

so i guess possession isn’t as rare as one would sometimes like to think…
 
Pope John Paul II:
‘Animals Possess A Soul’

Pope John Paul II declared in a public audience
in 1990 that “also the animals possess a soul and
men must love and feel solidarity with our smaller brethren”.
He said, too, that they are the “fruit of the creative
action of the Holy Spirit and merit respect,” and are
as near to God as men are."

The Pope went on to say that, “animals have the breath
of life and were given it by God. In this respect, man
created by the hand of God is identical with all living
creatures. … The existence therefore of all living creatures
depends on the living spirit/breath of God that not only
creates but also sustains and renews the face of the earth.”

It seems as Pope John Paul II thought very highly of animals. He didn’t say they would be in heaven though.
animals do not have souls as humans do…

JP II said odd things in later yrs…
 
“God won’t be mad if you go to your grave hoping to see Fluffy sitting on God’s lap covering God in cat hair. He understands that once you’re with Him you’ll be glad not to clean the cat box.”

From the wisdom of Sister Mary Martha. LOL

asksistermarymartha.blogspot.com/2007/08/st-rock-and-his-dog.html
i believe God DOES get angyr at humans who love their animals more than they love humans…

if you have a dog or cat, you can’t leave them all day long to go to the soup kitchens and/or other places… you have to be home to care for THEM… Yes, i know some manage to do both… but usually… I’ve found that dog people generally speaking love animals far more than humans…

not having priorities straight is sinful…
 
Pope John Paul II:
‘Animals Possess A Soul’…It seems as Pope John Paul II thought very highly of animals. He didn’t say they would be in heaven though.
Nice post, Indyann – since heaven is pictured only in human imagination it is not clear in what sense we are using the world “in.” If heaven is not spatial it is difficult imagining how we would do anything, see anything hear or smell or feel anything. If heaven is spatial, does it have any of the marks of “place,” such as wind, or water, or mountains, or birds singing. If there will be birds, why not mammals, like fluffy and fido? Or is it just a great big waiting room with white walls?

Perhaps the whole concept of “heaven” is misplaced; perhaps it bears no relation to what we know in this world at all. There are many ways of imagining eschatological beatitude!

StAnastasia
 
i believe God DOES get angyr at humans who love their animals more than they love humans…not having priorities straight is sinful…
Those are your priorities; maybe other people would consider your priorities sinful. And it would be interesting to see how “God” could become “angry.”
 
Those are your priorities; maybe other people would consider your priorities sinful. And it would be interesting to see how “God” could become “angry.”
if you don’t believe in God being angry… you obviously haven’t read the Bible… esp the Old Testament…

and my priorities are God’s priorities… I live for him…

not some ignorant creature that has no ability to know me…
 
if you don’t believe in God being angry… you obviously haven’t read the Bible… esp the Old Testament…and my priorities are God’s priorities… I live for him…
not some ignorant creature that has no ability to know me…
Oh, you’re an Old Testament sort of guy; I understand.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

Richard Dawkins
 
Oh, you’re an Old Testament sort of guy; I understand.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

Richard Dawkins
I’m not a guy and God is NONE Of those things, never has been and never will be…

you don’t understand God if you think this kind of stuff…

God hates sin… and he punishes it … if you have a problem with THAT i hope you NEVER have children…
 
Oh, you’re an Old Testament sort of guy; I understand.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

Richard Dawkins
I would like to remind you that the God of the Old Testament is OUR God, and still the same God as in the New Testament. You cannot simply disprove the anger of God by using such insulting words. It says your religion is Catholic, so I assume that you believe in God. So then how can you call him such horrible names? Doing this is flat out blasphemy.

And secondly, God does have anger. In Acts 5:1-11 he clearly still brings down wrath upon people, in this case for lying to him. St. Paul mentions the wrath of God many times in his letters. In the end, why shouldn’t God have anger? He is the Father, and don’t fathers sometimes get angry with their children? Don’t their children sometimes do things deserving of anger? So why cannot God become angry with his children?
 
I’m not a guy and God is NONE Of those things, never has been and never will be… you don’t understand God if you think this kind of stuff… God hates sin… and he punishes it … if you have a problem with THAT i hope you NEVER have children…
Those are Richard Dawkins’ words, not mine. He is partially correct, in that all these things are found in the Old Testament. Sadly, what Dawkins fails to do is to read the New Testament as well, which augments and completes the OT message of mercy and forgiveness!
 
I would like to remind you that the God of the Old Testament is OUR God, and still the same God as in the New Testament. You cannot simply disprove the anger of God by using such insulting words. It says your religion is Catholic, so I assume that you believe in God. So then how can you call him such horrible names? Doing this is flat out blasphemy.
Of course I believe in God. If you don’t like this description, take it up with Richard Dawkins at contact@richarddawkins.net. He is not too fond of religious believers, but I have met him and he will respond.
 
it has been stated again and again that heaven is where God is and hell is where God is not - we pray “thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” - so who is going to populate the new heavens and new earth where God will be and His will will be done as it is in heaven - how about paradise plenty of trees there for dogs - twinc
I like this one, Twin. I figure that if the lion can lie down with the lamb…that there’s room for me and my pups as well.
 
animals do not have souls as humans do…

JP II said odd things in later yrs…
In Hebrew, soul is defined as living creature,man or animal. People confuse a spirit to be a soul way too many times. If you don’t understand , you can’t describe what a creature is.
body + spirit = soul ; just like 1+1=2; take a number one out, then you have no two (soul/creature).
Spirits live on forever, it is the very essence of the creature/man.
In the bible, God said more than once that animals are living souls.
God is NOT the author of death, therefore He don’t throw an innocent spirit away.
I think we can all agree, animals can’t sin. Only man opened his eyes to sin.
 
FaithJoy has provided the most lucid, economical explanation yet.

St. Thomas Aquinas taught that ALL living things have souls. Man, other animals, insects, even plants. Souls are what “animate” and separate living things from the inanimate. A thing having a soul is the reason why they are alive, and sets them apart from things that are not alive, such as rocks, air, water. A soul is what makes something alive.

But the distinguishing feature that FaithJoy alludes to in his/her post is that while the soul animates all living things, the soul of a man, in addition to animating man’s body, has powers of its own. The union of spirit and matter means that the human soul, by which our bodies are living bodies and functioning as living bodies, is what no other soul is, a spirit.

While the souls of animals perish with their bodies, the souls of man do not because it has an immortal spirit. They live forever.

I am willing to retract a bit on what I said earlier, but only to the extent that I need to further explain what I wrote.

I still maintain that animals do not “enter heaven”, because that requires redemption and Christ did not die to redeem something that has no power of reason, no mechanism for making a choice. To suggest otherwise is to demean our Lord. I feel very confident that Christ did not endure having his flesh ripped off and his body nailed to a cross while being spit upon because he was concerned about the entrance of a nutria rat into heaven.

The ONLY place where animals may exist in “the next life” falls within the Church’s teaching that the world wil be renewed at the Last Judgment. If humans will regain their bodies, and the entire world will be renewed, I can find nothing (and the Church has taught nothing on the matter) that precludes brute animals living ON A RENEWED WORLD.

That is MUCH different than the saying that pets are in heaven. So in the limited sense of the renewal of the world for the Last Judgment, animals may, indeed, be present for that judgment. But that is NOT the same as saying they are in heaven.

St.Anastasia,

If I have misinterpreted your posts in what I am about to say, I apologize.

I get from some of your statements that no one KNOWS what heaven is like, and thus it is open to suggestion as to what heaven is really like, and thus heaven may indeed have animals.

I respectfully suggest that is dangerously close to moral relativism and liberation theology. It does not matter one bit what any of us THINKS heaven is or is not. If you are an orthodox Catholic, then you MUST believe that heaven exists, and that there is only one such heaven. Simply because man does not have the supernatural capacity to imagine heaven while he is alive does not mean it can mean whatever “we would like it to mean”.

Quite a while back, what I thought was a serious question by the OP, took a turn towards people’s personal desires for a “feel good” type of heaven reminiscent of what the Haight-Ashbury crowd in the 1960’s thought was good for Earth - that is, until they resorted to stealing when their drug supplies ran out and they soon found out that love didn’t cure hunger pangs.

As heaven has been DOGMATICALLY DEFINED by Pope Benedict XII as “the souls of the just see[ing] the divine essence by an intuitive vision and face to face so that divine essence is known immediately”. The Council of Florence dogmatically determined the object of the knowledge of God in heaven as “to know God one and three as He is”.

I still cannot, for the life of me, fathom why ANYONE would want to turn away from the beatific vision of our Heavenly Father to go pet a dog, feed a snake, see a hamster run on his wheel, or ride a horse.

If I am dull, so be it. But hopefully meeting God one day, face to face, is more than sufficient to make me happy forever.

Caveat: I find it a bit amusing and ironic that “liberation theology” adherents cite as one of their “heroes” St. Francis of Assisi, (official) patron saint of animals and (recently, “unofficial”) parton saint of the environment.
 
What do I have against liberation theology? Oh … … hmmm. . . . let’s see . . … could it be that the Church has CONDEMNED IT!!!

THAT might have something to do with it.

Believing that “all dogs go to heaven” is moral relativism because it turns one’s focus from God to what the person would LIKE to see rather than what it is. I explained the dogma of the closure of heaven after the first sin. That is not just me saying so - that is doctrine of Holy Mother Church. Christ’s SOLE function in becoming incarnate was to redeem mankind. As animals cannot sin, they cannot be redeemed. Where do you think what you claim to be “immortal animal souls” were between original sin and Christ’s redemptive death? To say hell or purgatory is plain absurd, because that presupposes they needed to be purged and that is impossible because animals cannot sin.

Finally, as to your question, “What does he [Benedict XII] know about heaven?” Could it be papal infallibility that prevents him from teaching a dogma that is wrong? I think so . . .
 
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