Do any Protestant communities have valid Apostolic Succession?

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EvangelCatholic said:
Sounds reasonable. However, chastity is a great gift/ price in today’s world.
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Yes, the one gift society wants to throw away and goes out of their way to tell our children to throw it away.

The celibacy of the priesthood should be celebrated.
 
vsedriver said:
Yes, the one gift society wants to throw away and goes out of their way to tell our children to throw it away.

The celibacy of the priesthood should be celebrated.
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Absolutely and who better than Francis the blessed? 👍
 
Jotto said:
But still I am curious. When on one of those occasions (which I assume is not all that often) you have heard a sermon or read an article given or written by an orthodox Catholic about the priesthood of all believers or God’s priestly people, have you ever heard or seen the women spoken of in that context as “priestesses?”

And in the context of the Eucharist, where if Vatican II is correct, the whole congregation - including the women present - are to be perceived as re-presenting the Body of Christ, do you find yourself mentally noting that Christ is present in the women about you in a different manner than in the men about you?
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yes, we are a priestly people in the same way that the Levites were a priestly people yet only some, all males, were temple priests.

The ordained priesthood is one role, one part of the Body of Christ. It has a gender requirement. This is not a slam against women. Marriage has a gender requirement. This is not a slam against homosexuals.
 
PRmerger said:
It appears to me to be false advertising to claim to be Catholic when you are, indeed, not Catholic
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I know what you mean. I hate when Protestants (and, likewise, Eastern Orthodox) use the word “Catholic” one way, and then a completely different way without batting an eye.

But, to be fair, I think the Lutherans here (at least in recent threads) have been pretty consistent in calling themselves, if not “Catholic”, at least “catholic”.
 
pablope said:
But how could the Reformation succeed without the involvement of the Western Patriarch?

If Lutherans continue to be separated, how can the Reformation succeed?

Anyway, these are questions/insights from this, the author is a Lutheran pastor:

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0097.html

Why Only Catholicism Can Make Protestantism Work: Louis Bouyer on the Reformation
MARK BRUMLEY
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Where does it say Brumley is Lutheran? (I don’t mean that sarcastically – possibly it did say that and I missed it.)
 
Jotto said:
“Lutheran” for me has the same denotive significance as such terms as “Jesuit” or “Dominican” or “Benedictine.”
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I don’t know if many Lutherans view it that way or not, but if they do I think that’s great.
 
Peter_J said:
I don’t know if many Lutherans view it that way or not, but if they do I think that’s great.
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This is exactly how we were taught in catechism class. When Roman Catholics first hear this, they are typically surprised! 😃 We Lutherans have never claimed to be anything other than Catholics. It’s only in the US that Reformed influences have scared Lutherans from saying so publicly.
 
steido01 said:
This is exactly how we were taught in catechism class.
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🙂

IIRC, I’ve thought of that possibility (that “Lutheran” could be likened to “Fransiscan” or “Thomist” or “Augustinian” etc) before, but didn’t know that it was a common way of looking at it.
 
The word, “Catholic” seems to be misunderstood or misapplied. The fact that the ecumenical creeds use “Catholic” means everyone who professes these creeds is claiming to be part of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church. Lutherans go beyond that definition in worship and holy orders. We embrace our catholic heritage since the holy Church did not somehow start in the 1500’s. It was the one, holy, catholic church separated from the Orthodox 500 year before. The Western Church.
 
steido01 said:
This is exactly how we were taught in catechism class. When Roman Catholics first hear this, they are typically surprised! 😃 We Lutherans have never claimed to be anything other than Catholics. It’s only in the US that Reformed influences have scared Lutherans from saying so publicly.
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Agreed.

Jon
 
EvangelCatholic said:
The Apostles, Nicene, Athanasian creeds to start with.
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You do this all the time, EC. You make a claim, then when asked to substantiate it, you obfuscate, or claim “bipolar” (whatever that means), or ne’er come back to visit. :mad:

I am asking where, in the “current ecumenical dialogue” between Catholics and Lutherans, it has been stated that Lutherans may call themselves Catholics, with the 👍 of the Catholic Church.
 
PRmerger said:
You do this all the time, EC. You make a claim, then when asked to substantiate it, you obfuscate, or claim “bipolar” (whatever that means), or ne’er come back to visit. :mad:

I am asking where, in the “current ecumenical dialogue” between Catholics and Lutherans, it has been stated that Lutherans may call themselves Catholics, with the 👍 of the Catholic Church.
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The honest answer is, while we would welcome that nod from the CC, we don’t actually need it. I don’t mean that to sound combative, just to express our understanding that we are both Catholic and evangelical ( in the historic sense ).
On the dialogue, however, I don’t believe the issue would even come up. The ha e far more important things to discuss.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
The honest answer is, while we would welcome that nod from the CC, we don’t actually need it. I don’t mean that to sound combative, just to express our understanding that we are both Catholic and evangelical ( in the historic sense ).
On the dialogue, however, I don’t believe the issue would even come up. The ha e far more important things to discuss.

Jon
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EvangelCatholic; do you agree with Jon then you don’t need the nod for you can call yourselves Catholic if you want to?
 
PRmerger said:
You do this all the time, EC. You make a claim, then when asked to substantiate it, you obfuscate, or claim “bipolar” (whatever that means), or ne’er come back to visit. :mad:
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JonNC said:
The honest answer is, while we would welcome that nod from the CC, we don’t actually need it.
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Fair enough.

But you can see from EC’s comment that he was positing that I was somehow contravening some sort of mandate from the Catholic-Lutheran dialogue.
 
PRmerger said:
You do this all the time, EC. You make a claim, then when asked to substantiate it, you obfuscate, or claim “bipolar” (whatever that means), or ne’er come back to visit. :mad:

I am asking where, in the “current ecumenical dialogue” between Catholics and Lutherans, it has been stated that Lutherans may call themselves Catholics, with the 👍 of the Catholic Church.
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Quite frankly your question is absurd. If Lutherans profess the Catholic creeds they are Catholic. Roman Catholic? NO. But please understand that the word ‘catholic’ does not just apply to the Church of Rome. :rolleyes:
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Quite frankly your question is absurd. If Lutherans profess the Catholic creeds they are Catholic. Roman Catholic? NO. But please understand that the word ‘catholic’ does not just apply to the Church of Rome. :rolleyes:
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You posited that I had contravened some sort of “agreement”. Your words. Not mine.

So I am simply asking you to tell me what this “agreement” is. Where can I read that there has been “agreement” that Lutherans are Catholic?

Are these not your words (bold mine)?
EvangelCatholic said:
Strange that you would character others as phonies? And be clearly out of step with current ecumenical dialogue and agreement.
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