Do Atheists have a reasonable doubt?

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I reread that writing once every few months. It is chilling, as are St. John Bosco’s visions, though I admit to reading those less often.
 
Bradskii said:
It sounds more like a bad satire of a bodice-tearing BBC period drama than someone burning in hell
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It was written in German, in 1937, and later translated to English. While it may seem archaic to your ears, the manner of speech and the choice of analogy do not in any way impact its validity or content. If it is a damned soul compelled by God to relate the truth, this manner of bluntness is to be expected. In Hell, there are no pretty words or colorful analogies to mask the soul’s sinfulness from itself. No euphemisms to dull the reality.

I will admit that the garment ash analogy has always painted an odd picture in my mind though, like something out of an anime, or the Endgame snap.
 
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Bradskii:
It sounds more like a bad satire of a bodice-tearing BBC period drama than someone burning in hell
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It was written in German, in 1937, and later translated to English. While it may seem archaic to your ears, the manner of speech and the choice of analogy do not in any way impact its validity or content. If it is a damned soul compelled by God to relate the truth, this manner of bluntness is to be expected. In Hell, there are no pretty words or colorful analogies to mask the soul’s sinfulness from itself. No euphemisms to dull the reality.

I will admit that the garment ash analogy has always painted an odd picture in my mind though, like something out of an anime, or the Endgame snap.
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Let’s just say that damnation of the soul and a fiery eternity don’t really come across that well. Needs a bit of work.

To be honest, a few of pages of screaming might do the trick.
 
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As for my reasoning, I may be wrong, but I don’t think that you actually understand what my method of reasoning is, which is probably my fault.
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Any rational attempt that doesn’t respect the principle of non-contradiction is not reasoning at all.
 
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There seems to be some mental block here.
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Yes, it is in you. Because everything that follows in your post is born from a misunderstanding of what i have said. In fact every challenge you make seems to be a manifestation of an inability to comprehend something, resulting in straw-men. And frankly it’s not even worth helping you to understand it because you have proven to be invincible in that regard.
 
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Bradskii said:
Let’s just say that damnation of the soul and a fiery eternity don’t really come across that well. Needs a bit of work.

To be honest, a few of pages of screaming might do the trick.
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The purpose of the apparition was not to scream, but to instruct. There are many such apparitions recorded in Church history. A screaming soul, while certainly able to inflict severe fright, would not be as instructive as the composed soul explaining their torments and their causes.

If you’d like to read about souls screaming in torment, the book The Dogma of Hell contains many accounts of the damned appearing to the living. Some of these are composed, as with this example, while others scream in agony and leave burned footprints as they walk across the room. During one apparition, the damned soul grabbed the arm of his worldly compatriot and it burned through the man’s flesh to the bone.

Generally speaking, the more severe the need of the one the apparition appears to, the more grotesque the apparition.
 
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It’s about as genuine as a three dollar note. Just my opinion of course.
 
The best private revelation I ever read about Purgatory

An Unpublished Manuscript on Purgatory

Excerpt :

I can tell you about the different degrees of Purgatory because I have passed through them. In the great Purgatory there are several stages. In the lowest and most painful, like a temporary hell, are the sinners who have committed terrible crimes during life and whose death surprised them in that state. It was almost a miracle that they were saved, and often by the prayers of holy parents or other pious persons. Sometimes they did not even have time to confess their sins and the world thought them lost, but God, whose mercy is infinite, gave them at the moment of death the contrition necessary for their salvation on account of one or more good actions which they performed during life. For such souls, Purgatory is terrible. It is a real hell with this difference, that in hell they curse God, whereas we bless Him and thank Him for having saved us.

 
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PickyPicky:
Golly. Difficult to explain to the insurance company, I imagine.
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Mockery isn’t a good look for someone who says they’re interested in open discussion.
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That was a little light sarcasm, Prodgl. Not going to hurt anyone. Brings a smile to the discussion. Treat it lightly.

Because I have to tell you that if some honest opinions were posted regarding these ‘warnings from beyond’ then it wouldn’t be just the carpet that gets scorched.
 
The best private revelation I ever read about the Virgin Mary

The Mystical City of God: Life of the Virgin Mother of God, manifested to Sister Mary of Jesus of Agreda:

Excerpt :

The dragon in agonizing efforts to escape,
said : O Woman, give me leave to hurl myself into hell,
for I cannot bear thy presence, nor will I ever venture to
come before Thee as long as Thou livest upon this world.
Thou hast conquered, O Woman, Thou hast conquered,
and I acknowledge thy power in Him who has made
Thee his Mother. Omnipotent God, chastise us Thyself,
since we cannot resist Thee

but do not send thy punishments
through a Woman of a nature so inferior to ours.
Her charity consumes us, her humility crushes us, and
She is in all things a living manifestation of thy mercy
for men. This is a torment surpassing many others.
Assist me, ye demons! But alas, what can our united
efforts avail against this Woman, since all our power
cannot ever deliver us from her presence until She her
self casts us forth? O foolish children of Adam, who
follow me, forsaking life for the sake of death, truth or
falsehood? What absurdity and insanity
is yours, (so in despair I must confess), since you have in your midst
and belonging to your own nature the incarnate Word
and this Woman ? Greater is your ingratitude than mine
and this Woman forces me to confess the truths, which
I abhor with all my heart. Cursed be my resolve to
persecute this Daughter of Adam, who so torments and crushes me!

continue-

http://themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm
 
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Mockery isn’t a good look for someone who says they’re interested in open discussion
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Then I’ll say it openly. There is something a little distasteful about revelling in descriptions of agony. If it were in any other context many would regard it as unsuitable reading: a bit Clockwork Orange, but written in the style of Mrs Radcliffe.
 
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Bradskii said:
That was a little light sarcasm, Prodgl. Not going to hurt anyone. Brings a smile to the discussion. Treat it lightly.

Because I have to tell you that if some honest opinions were posted regarding these ‘warnings from beyond’ then it wouldn’t be just the carpet that gets scorched.
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Whether it was mockery or light sarcasm is a matter of opinion. I enjoy light sarcasm, even and especially at my own expense. That didn’t come across as light sarcasm to me.

As for your opinion of the work, I have no doubt that I am aware of it and the level of incredulity/dislike you hold for it.
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Then I’ll say it openly. There is something a little distasteful about revelling in descriptions of agony. If it were in any other context many would regard it as unsuitable reading: a bit Clockwork Orange, but written in the style of Mrs Radcliffe.
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I’m not reveling in anything. The apparitions and these writings are meant to be instructive. Given the grotesque nature of damnation, it’s natural that any revelation regarding it would be similarly grotesque. A medical student probably doesn’t delight in examining the corpse of a dead man, but such examination is necessary to develop their knowledge and ability. Similarly, by listening to the accounts of the damned, I can be further driven to avoid that fate, and learn from the mistakes of the damned.

I’m not familiar with Mrs Radcillfe. From Google it looks like she was a Gothic writer? Her books look neat, I’ll have to give them a read sometime. Thanks ^^
 
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I’m not familiar with Mrs Radcillfe. From Google it looks like she was a Gothic writer? Her books look neat, I’ll have to give them a read sometime. Thanks
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Read Northanger Abbey first. There is much to be said for good calm reason,
 
Thanks for the tip. It looks like she’s in the public domain now, so I’ll see what I can find online to read in all that spare time I don’t have. T_T

(That wasn’t meant to be cheeky towards you, I’m just lamenting my lack of spare time. Oh well, one week to go till we put this project out and then I can sleep again!)

(Do you mean The Mysteries of Udolpho? Northanger Abbey is by Jane Austin it seems)
 
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Sorry, Northanger Abbey is a Jane Austen novel countering Mrs Radcliffe’s Gothickery with some common sense.

Anyway, you’re too busy to bother with Mrs Radcliffe. But no one is ever too busy for a cool refreshing Jane Austen.

Now. Go back to work!
 
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Anyway, you’re too busy to bother with Mrs Radcliffe. But no one is ever too busy for a cool refreshing Jane Austen.
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I’ll admit to never having read her, and never having any interest in reading her. I enjoy Victorian literature, especially Victorian Gothic, but she has never struck my fancy.
 
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