Please. Look at Galatians chapter 1 and tell me where Paul likened denying the RCC doctrines concerning the Eucharist to “another gospel”.
Paul, like all the Apostles, instructed us that accepting something other than what was delivered by the Apostles ordained by Christ is a “different gospel”. Your denial of the Catholic doctrines (which are not “Roman” by the way) constitutes a denial of what we have received from the Apostles. They, and their successors, and theirs, to the present day, accept that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of the Lord in the Eucharist.
Jesus is bound by His word even as we are bound by our word. If God says one thing and does another, He would be a liar just as you and I are (let God be true and every man a liar.) If God says nothing on a subject He is free to do as He pleases but once He has spoken He has bound Himself to His word. He must act in accordance with His word or He becomes a liar.
God never said He could not, or would not, save anyone He wants, however He likes. He commanded His disciples to observe the eucharist in memory of Him. As His disciples, we are eager to observe it, because His commandments are not burdensome to us. The reason we query those who deny this commandment is that Jesus was clear:
John 14:15-16
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments.’
It puzzles us, when we see so many of our separated brethren who are obviously expressive of their love for the Lord, yet do not obey His commandment in this matter.
My apologies concerning my ignorance of the Eastern Church. I am not trying to insult anyone. I will try to use CC from now on.
Thank you so much! I appreciate your courtesy.
If Jesus was referring to the Eucharist in John 6:53 then the Bible does indeed say that no one can be saved apart from taking communion in the CC.
I believe that you understand it that way.
However, in order to understand the meaning of scripture, one must look at the context. Jesus was speaking here to disciples, those who professed faith in Him. the Eucharist is not open to anyone else. This instruction is given to the faithful.
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A loving God is not eager to condemn, He is eager to justify and save! Therefore Jesus MUST be speaking figuratively and if He is speaking figuratively then there is NO need for the priesthood which is why the Apostles did not establish another earthly priesthood - because NONE is required!
There is no logical flow to this premise. God is a loving God. He established the priesthood, out of His love.
It is out of Love that He gave his real flesh, and His real blood - not “figurative” flesh and blood - for the life of the world.
Jesus established the priesthood. If you feel qualified to dispense with something He deemed necessary, then that is your affair.
I am not sure what you mean by “earthly” priesthood. Jesus priesthood can hardly be characterized as “earthly”.
However, the existence of CC priesthood is the VERY thing that makes the words of Jesus literal instead of figurative - and when you make His words in this verse literal, that is when He becomes a liar! In other words, if the CC priesthood is true, then Jesus is lying in John 6:53 but if the priesthood is false, His words are spirit and they are life – they are figurative and He remains TRUE!
This has been my point from the beginning of this BLOG!
Well, I am glad at least that we finally got down to the root of your problem. I just wish I could understand it. Nothing that humans are, or can be, “makes the words of Jesus literal instead of figurative”. Jesus is the Head of the Church, He is our great High Priest.
The rest of your post honestly makes no sense to me, but at least it is clear that you have many objections to the Apostolic faith, and the Eucharist and priesthood are clearly among them.
The OT is a shadow of what was to come. There was a High Priest, a minsterial priesthood, and the priesthood of all the believers. So in the NT, we see the fulfillment of the shadows that preceeded it. Jesus is our great High Priest, offering the once for all sacrifice. He grafts some into Himself to serve the Body, who in turn become priests to the world, part of the ministry of reconciling the world to Himself. Why does this bother you, since it is all biblical?
As I have pointed out, if Jesus is to be taken literally here, then He contradicts Himself in many other places like, “anyone who comes to me I will in no way cast out…”, or “you are clean by the word that I have spoken to you…” or “He who believes in me…”
I understand why it is hard for persons who think concretely to be able to abstract. In fact, all these things are literally true.
That is the reason why we take this verse figuratively, because if we do not, Jesus contradicts Himself on many levels. Not to mention that Jesus told us, “the words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life.”
Yes. People do whatever they need to do to make things comfortable for themselves. This is human nature.
