Do Catholics believe John 6:53?

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All I can say is: wow…
Forgiveness is always related to the Gospel. It is only by the preaching of the Gospel that a person can be saved and forgiven.

In the Bible, confession is always public, not private. Beginning with John, people publically confessed there sins and were baptized.

Jesus also forgave sins publically, not privately.

But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins"–then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”

Jesus answered him, "I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing.

Peter forgave sins publically on the day of Pentecost and retained sins publically as well.

But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?

The Bible knows nothing of a dark room in secret with a priest. Your understanding of confession of sin is straight out of the dark ages, not the Bible.

…he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." [John 3:21]

If the Catholic Church is truly the Apostolic church, why don’t you follow the example of the Apostles.

Retaining sin is also always related to the rejection of the Gospel and retention of sin is also always public and not private.

But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook his garments and said to them, “Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”
 
Can you give me what Scripture verses tell what are the basic truths and what are ok to disagree on?
Russ, let me first say that I am humbled by your love for our Lord and your love for His Word. It is a testament to your faith and your knowledge that you have come to this forum to dialogue with Catholics and others about the faith as you know it. :blessyou:

Now, with that said, I want to respectfully and lovingly tell you that you are quite seriously wrong on not a few of your interpretations of biblical verses.

You affirm that you may indeed be incorrect in some of your interpretations (a testament to your humility, which is certainly pleasing to God), but claim that it doesn’t really matter as long as you get the “big stuff” correct.

Now, I ask you for what verses will tell us what is the important stuff we must all agree on, and what’s ok for us to differ on. Please don’t give the verses which describe the person of Christ or verses which discuss faith/grace. I need to see verse(s) which essentially say, “This is the essential stuff that must be believed and this is superfluous”. Otherwise, you’re just giving me your man-made interpretation of what YOU think is essential, not what Scripture says.
 
Retaining sin is also always related to the rejection of the Gospel and retention of sin is also always public and not private.
Russ, the verse before “if you retain anyone’s sins they are retained” is…

“RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT”

So, Russ, how can someone received the Holy Spirit, yet “retain a sin” and reject the Gospel? It can’t be done!

Someone who retains a sin has done so because he has received the power of the Holy Spirit to retain it, not because he has rejected the Gospel.
 
Which is greater? The baptism of water or the baptism of fire?

John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

So yes, baptism is essential for salvation. We agree.

I love it when Christians agree; this is what can mend Jesus’ fractured Body!!! I always thought one led to the other, just as was the case with Jesus, when He was baptized; I always imagine the H.S. descending upon the individual, as He did with Jesus, upon baptism! The church to which my sister belongs teaches that baptism is unnecessary; I guess, as far as her Pastor is concerned, this is yet another heresy that Jesus’ established church taught ever since Pentecost; It seems that the Holy Spirit was doing a lousy job for the first 1500 years of Christianity, at “teaching” and “guiding” Jesus’ One church. LOL…
 
Now, I ask you for what verses will tell us what is the important stuff we must all agree on, and what’s ok for us to differ on. Please don’t give the verses which describe the person of Christ or verses which discuss faith/grace. I need to see verse(s) which essentially say, “This is the essential stuff that must be believed and this is superfluous”. Otherwise, you’re just giving me your man-made interpretation of what YOU think is essential, not what Scripture says.
Who told those who heard the Apostle Paul that what there were hearing was the truth? Who told them who heard him that his words were important?

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
 
Neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem… but those who worship God must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. The “Church” is a SPIRITUAL group, not a physical organization.
JL: As a Catholic convert from a non-denominational fundamentalist Bible Church, this is my Scriptural understanding of the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH. I used the KJV and for emphases added the CAPITAL WORDS. Maybe you can give scripture for your invisiable faith group?

Scripture indicates, to be a valid minister one must be SENT, [Rm 10:14 …how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 how shall they preach EXCEPT THEY BE SENT? [Can an invisiable church SEND anyone?] Lk 6:12 And it came to pass in those days, that HE went out into a mountain to pray, and CONTINUED ALL NIGHT IN PRAYER to God. 13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and OF THEM HE CHOSE TWELVE, whom also he NAMED APOSTLES; JN 17:18 As you have SENT me into the world I also SENT them into the world 20 I do not pray for these alone but for those who will BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD 21 THAT THEY ALL MY BE ONE as you Father are in me and I in you THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE you SENT ME.] Christ is praying for one specific visible sent group the Apostles Fellowship, that hearing their word and being one in fellowship, the world may believe the Father sent him, can an invisable church do that? I don’t think Christ meant, he would only be with that fellowship and it would only be one, just while the apostles were alive, but to the end of the world. [Mt 28:16 THE ELEVEN disciples 18 Jesus spoke to THEM, ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME in heaven and in earth 19 GO TEACH ALL NATIONS BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit 20 TEACHING to observe ALL things whatever I have COMMANDED you I AM WITH YOU always even TO THE END.] Can an invisiable church, do that? The great commission to the Church, the apostles fellowship. Christ to whom all power in heaven and earth is given, sent with his authority the apostles to TEACH ALL to observe what he taught, they were to go to all nations (universal, catholic). Only the apostles were sent to teach all nations, with the authority of Christ. Christ promised to be with them till the end of the world. Those individuals would not be around till the end, but their SENT successors in the Apostolic Fellowship would, by passing on their authority to teach, sanctify and rule by laying on of hands from bishop to bishop till the end.

[LK 22:29 I appoint you A KINGDOM as my Father has appointed me 30 That you may eat and drink AT MY TABLE IN MY KINGDOM and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel 31 SIMON Satan has desired to have you 32 I have prayed for you that YOUR FAITH FAIL NOT when you are converted, STRENGTHEN YOUR BRETHREN.] When Peter is converted his faith will never fail, he is to strengthen all the brethren as Universal Pastor. Can an invisiable church do that? Christ said Satan wanted to sift all the apostles (you plural) as wheat, but Christ prayed that only (you singular) Peter’s faith fail not, this was said in the presents of the other apostles. Christ promised Peter’s faith alone would not fail, implying all must be in union and agree with the faith of Peter. Those not in union with Peter’s faith even though they have apostolic secession can teach error. My Bishop or any number of Bishops can teach error if not in union and agreement, with the successor of Peter. JN 21:14-17 Jesus asked Peter three times, “do you love me more than these” THESE, would be the other apostles. After being asked three times and replying three times, “yes”. Christ said to Peter, the first time, “feed MY lambs”, the second time, “feed MY sheep”, the third time, “feed MY sheep”. Peter is to feed ALL the sheep in Christ’s flock, not some, but ALL the sheep Christ has purchased with his blood. Can an invisiable church feed all Christ’s flock?

[ACTS 2:41 they that RECEIVED HIS WORD WERE BAPTIZED 42 THEY CONTINUED STEDFASTLY in the APOSTLES DOCTRINE FELLOWSHIP in BREAKING BREAD and in PRAYERS. 1Cor 1:9 God is faithful you were called into THE FELLOWSHIP OF his Son JESUS CHRIST. 10 I appeal to you BRETHREN by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that all of you AGREE that there be no dissensions among you that you BE UNITED in the same mind and the same judgment.] Can an invisiable church be a fellowship have the same doctrine, be united? One fellowship no matter where it is located in the world. [Lk 24:48 you are witnesses of these things 49 I SEND the promise of my Father upon you WAIT in Jerusalem TILL YOU ARE ENDUED WITH POWER FROM ON HIGH. Can an invisiable church wait in Jerusalem? Jn 16:13 When THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH comes HE WILL GUIDE YOU into ALL the TRUTH Jn 14:26 the Holy Spirit HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL things and BRING ALL things TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE WHATEVER I HAVE SAID TO YOU.] Christ is speaking to the Apostolic Fellowship, who will be endued with power from on high, by whom the Church will be guided into all truth and teach all things whatsoever Christ said, through successors, till the end of the world.
God is not dependant upon man in any way. He is not dependant upon an infallible church in order for His word to be infallible. To think that God is dependant upon the faithfulness of man is to make the same mistake that the Jews made at the time of Christ. God does not promise that error will not enter His church. In fact, He predicts that it will:
JL: No God is not dependant on man nor on the Church, but he choose to form and work through the body of Christ, the Church, which is Christ present and visible on earth, using human beings. God wills his people to be ONE, working as ONE with him, to be co-redeemers with him. [1 COR 3:9 For WE ARE LABOURERS TOGETHER WITH GOD ye are God’s husbandry YE ARE GOD’S BUILDING 3 JN 1:8 We therefore ought to receive such that we might be FELLOWHELPERS TO THE TRUTH. [Jms5:20 Let him know, that HE WHICH CONVERTETH THE SINNER from the error of his way SHALL SAVE A SOUL from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. 1Tm4:16 TAKE HEED TO YOURSELF and TO THE DOCTRINE. CONTINUE IN THEM, for in DOING THIS you WILL SAVE both YOURSELF AND those WHO HEAR YOU.] Our Lord choose and SENT men to teach all Christ commanded, TO BRING SALVATION to the whole world. At Pentecost HE endue them with the power of the HOLY SPIRIT, who is the soul of the Church.
 
Someone who retains a sin has done so because he has received the power of the Holy Spirit to retain it, not because he has rejected the Gospel.
Show me an example form scripture of what you are referring to. let me see your theology in the word of God, not in a catechism.
 
BereanRuss;5084065:
I love it when Christians agree; this is what can mend Jesus’ fractured Body
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"

So, answer the question. Which is greater?
 
Who told those who heard the Apostle Paul that what there were hearing was the truth? Who told them who heard him that his words were important?

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
**Do you have a list of verses that says what’s essential for Christians to agree on, and what’s ok to disagree with? **

Is it essential to believe that baptism now saves you? Or is it ok to have differing opinions on this?

Is it essential to celebrate the Lord’s Day on Sunday, or is Saturday the day of the Lord?

Is it essential to call on Jehovah only, or can we call the Lord God?

Is it essential to believe in creationism, or may we believe in evolution?

Is it essential to believe once you’re saved, always saved, or can you believe you can lose your salvation?

Where’s the list, Russ, of what’s essential?
 
Do you have a list of verses that says what’s essential for Christians to agree on, and what’s ok to disagree with?
I will answer your question when you answer my question. When Jesus first began preaching in Galilee saying, “Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”, do you think that the people should have listened and obeyed Him or should they have ignored Him? Based on what authority should they listen to Him?
 
Forgiveness is always related to the Gospel. It is only by the preaching of the Gospel that a person can be saved and forgiven.

In the Bible, confession is always public, not private. Beginning with John, people publically confessed there sins and were baptized.

**And that is exactly how it was done in the early church, however, private confession probably seemed a bit more discrete and far less humiliating; if I had to confess my sins when I first came back to Jesus’ established church, publicly, I doubt I’d be a catholic today! LOL… :eek:
Jesus also forgave sins publically, not privately. **

But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins"–then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”

Jesus answered him, "I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing.

What does teaching in public have to do with confessing sins in public? :confused:

Peter forgave sins publically on the day of Pentecost and retained sins publically as well.

But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?

**So, if Peter could righteously bind or loose, then surely his chosen disciples via the imposition of hands could do the same? **

The Bible knows nothing of a dark room in secret with a priest. Your understanding of confession of sin is straight out of the dark ages, not the Bible.

**Like I said: I’d rather confess my sins in private than in public, and I think the C.C. eventually started realizing that this was a far better approach than public humiliation; what do you think Russ; is that a possibility?
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And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but people preferred darkness to light, because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come toward the light, so that his works might not be exposed. But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as done in God. After this, Jesus and his disciples went into the region of Judea, where he spent some time with them baptizing. John was also baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was an abundance of water there, and people came to be baptized…John 3

**Russ, doesn’t the following mean: his deeds may be clearly seen by God, not people in general?
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“he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

**Can you imagine if a husband cheated on his wife and he had to publicly confess this in front of her and her family at the assembly! :eek::eek::eek:
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If the Catholic Church is truly the Apostolic church, why don’t you follow the example of the Apostles.

**As you can see; we do! The apostles did not say one thing about the Trinity, and yet you believe the C.C. properly defined this piece of doctrine; why is that, considering the fact that the apostles are dead silent on the matter? :confused: Couldn’t they be WRONG??? **

Retaining sin is also always related to the rejection of the Gospel and retention of sin is also always public and not private.

**Do you still feel that way considering the preceding hypothetical? As far as I can tell, the Holy Bible conveys one thing vis-a-vis the binding and loosing of sins: only Jesus Christ and His established church have the right to forgive or not to forgive. **

But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook his garments and said to them, “Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”

**What does this have to do with confession?
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Russ, man, I give you a lot of credit; you juggle well when it comes to multitasking here at CAF!!! 👍 Even if we still disagree by the end of this thread, it’s been a pleasure debating with you!
 
Show me an example form scripture of what you are referring to. let me see your theology in the word of God, not in a catechism.
You already know what my theology is. I am a Catholic.

You disagree with the Church’s interpetation of John 20:23. Now I want to know what *your *interpretation of John 20:23 is. You don’t believe it refers to the Sacrament of Confession. You believe "Retaining sin is also always related to the rejection of the Gospel and retention of sin is also always public and not private"

How can one receive the Holy Spirit and retain sins?

How can that possibly be, if one receives the Holy Spirit in order to retain a sin?
 
I will answer your question when you answer my question.
Very good.
When Jesus first began preaching in Galilee saying, “Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”, do you think that the people should have listened and obeyed Him or should they have ignored Him?
Listened and obeyed Him.
Based on what authority should they listen to Him?
On their own authority, until they understood He was God.

Now for the list! 👍
 
I will answer your question when you answer my question.
I find it fascinating that this topic is now over 700 posts long and the question as to whether Catholics believe the words of Jesus in John 6:53, has already been answered and this topic is seemingly way off-topic now. :cool:
 
BereanRuss (and Ralphy, if you’re still with us),
I wanted to give you a quick lesson on Catholicity 101.
So, to be complete in Christ one needs the proverbial three-legged stool - Holy Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Teaching Magisterium of the Church.
I thought I’d give you an example of this teaching, in regards to baptism - using the three legged stool.

You say that water baptism is not important, using St. Paul in 1st Corinthians 1:17 as proof - For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with the wisdom of human eloquence, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its meaning.

If one were to ignore the forest (all Scriptures) and simply concentrate on the tree (a verse or two), then one can come to the assumption that Baptism is not important to Salvation.

However, a Catholic, who relies on the three legged stool of the Church (Scriptures, the teaching Magisterium of the Church, and Sacred Tradition), cannot look at the tree, and ignore the forest.

What does the forest (of Scripture) say? First let’s look at Christ - an example for us all. Christ, as we all know, didn’t need Baptism. But, he did wish to show us what it is to be a Christian.

Matthews Gospel tells of Jesus’ Baptism as such.*** 13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him.****** 14****** John tried to prevent him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and yet you are coming to me?”****** 15****** Jesus said to him in reply, “Allow it now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed him.****** 16****** After Jesus was baptized, he came up from the water and behold, the heavens were opened (for him), and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove (and) coming upon him.****** 17****** And a voice came from the heavens, saying, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.***” So what is Jesus teaching here? Jesus does not begin his ministry until He is Baptized and the Holy Spirit descends upon Him. We know that Jesus could have done all His miracles without His Baptism. He’s God after all. But He’s teaching us what happens to us when we are baptized.

What does Jesus teach in John 3? Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.” Now, granted, I understand that you and I disagree on the worth of water in Baptism. But I wish to continue further on in the forest in the same chapter of John’s Gospel. Verse 22 tells us, After this, Jesus and his disciples went into the region of Judea, where he spent some time with them baptizing. Jesus goes and teaches the Apostles what “born of water” is going to mean to them. Baptism.

Let’s fast forward to Acts, chapter 2, and see what happens when our first Pontiff, His Holiness, St. Peter preaches the Gospel to the Jews. The Jews, stung by St. Peter’s words, ask, "“What are we to do, my brothers?” Peter then issues the first authoritative statement of the Church to the Faithful. He says, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.” Be baptized!!! First and foremost, be baptized. Of course, anybody familiar with these words of St. Peter’s would recognize the prophet Ezekiel speaking the words of God. In Ezekiel 36 25 & 26, the prophet says,*** I will sprinkle clean water upon you* to cleanse you from all your impurities, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. I will give you a new heart and place a new spirit within you**,

Incredible!!! The same three things:
  1. Water
  2. **for **the forgiveness of sins.
  3. receive the Spirit.
Now, let’s continue in Acts and meet Phillip and our good Eunuch. Acts 8 tells us:*** Then the angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, “Get up and head south on the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza, the desert route***.”… and then continues… The Spirit said to Philip, "Go and join up with that chariot." So Phillip hops up and explains the book of Isaiah to the Eunuch. After learning of Christ in the prophets words, what is the very first thing the Eunuch asks? “Look, there is water. What is to prevent my being baptized?” Do you think its coincidence that his first request is to be baptized by water?

But does St. Paul seem to think that Baptism is important? What is the first things that Paul does to the Jailer when St. Paul is freed from jail by the earthquake in Acts 16? Paul preaches the Gospel and then baptizes him with water! And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you and your household will be saved.” 32 So they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to everyone in his house. 33 He took them in at that hour of the night and bathed their wounds; then he and all his family were baptized at once.

So, how do we resolve this apparent conflict? Does Paul or does Paul not believe in Baptism by water being important? For some clues, let’s look at Corinthians chapter 1. There is a conflict that has arisen. Some people are breaking off into factions, according to different preachers of the Gospel. Here’s how St. Paul puts it. ***I urge you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, *but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose. 11 FOR it has been reported to me about you, my brothers, by Chloe’s people, that there are rivalries among you. 12 I mean that each of you is saying, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? See, here is why St. Paul is glad that he didn’t come to baptize, as he has done in the past. It’s because he doesn’t want to pour fire on the factionalism.
So you see, BereanRuss, the forest of Scriptures attest to the need for water Baptism in our formula.

Continued…
 
But, if you recall, I mentioned Catholic teaching to be a three legged stool. Let’s see what Sacred Tradition says:
but may become the children of choice and knowledge, and may obtain in the water the remission of sins formerly committed, there is pronounced over him who chooses to be born again, and has repented of his sins, the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe; he who leads to the layer the person that is to be washed calling him by this name alone. For no one can utter the name of the ineffable God; and if any one dare to say that there is a name, he raves with a hopeless madness. And this washing is called illumination, because they who learn these things are illuminated in their understandings. And in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and in the name of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus, he who is illuminated is washed."
Justin Martyr,First Apology,61(A.D. 110-165),in ANF,I:183

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" ‘And dipped himself,’ says [the Scripture], ‘seven times in Jordan.’ It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [it served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions; being spiritually regenerated as new-born babes, even as the Lord has declared: 'Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.’ "

Irenaeus,Fragment,34(A.D. 190),in ANF,I:574
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Moreover, the things proceeding from the waters were blessed by God, that this also might be a sign of men’s being destined to receive repentance and remission of sins, through the water and laver of regeneration,–as many as come to the truth, and are born again, and receive blessing from God.
Theopilus of Antioch,To Autolycus,2:16(A.D. 181),in ANF,II:101

It seems that the Church Fathers were most agreeable on the necessity of water baptism for the forgiveness of our sins. Notice, too, they only wash away our past sins, not future ones. But that’s a different point.

What does the Church teach today? Para. 1277: Baptism is birth into new life in Christ. In accordance with the Lord’s will, it is necessary for salvation, as is the Church herself, which we enter by Baptism.
 
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Agreed. What is your point? That there must be a priest? He did not say that.
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Agreed…Jesus did not say it had to be done by a priest; we are definitely on the same page my friend!!! It was to be done by His chosen ministers and their chosen ministers in perpetuity; is that a reasonable conclusion? Can Bishops administer this priestly function? Man, the word priest really bugs you. LOL…

Why are you OK with the C.C. adding the word Trinity, which isn’t even found in your bible, but dead set against the word priest, sacra mentally speaking, because it isn’t found in your bible? The presbyters absolutely administered their priestly duties, as per the Holy Bible, as per Jesus’ command!!!
 
Russ…

Is it a MORTAL sin if you fail to attend a holy day of obligation? Is it a mortal sin to fail to receive communion on a regular basis? Sin is the result of the LAW. Where there is no law there is no transgression.

**I don’t know if it’s a sin; I guess I’ll have to do as Jesus said when I come across something that I’m unsure of: take it to His established church and let His church decide!!! Matthew 18:17–What do you think my friend?? I agree with you regarding the law…! So, you embrace a Catholic Tradition by commemorating our Lords birthday and death on the dates given to you by the C.C.???
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The priesthood, the obligations, the ability to be condemned because I fail to attend this or pray that are all SHOUTING that you are under law, not under grace.

I guess I will say it again; no priest, minister, pastor can condemn anyone --period --Agreed??? Only God can condemn!!!

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

So, you are condemning me? :confused:I’m cool with that; I here that from my sister all of the time! :)I simply tell her that I hope she’s happy and is having a blessed life; Russ, I hope you are happy and having a blessed life my friend! 👍👍👍
 
I will answer your question when you answer my question. When Jesus first began preaching in Galilee saying, “Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”, do you think that the people should have listened and obeyed Him or should they have ignored Him? Based on what authority should they listen to Him?
OK, now you’re getting hilarious!!!

I’ll bet I’ve asked you this about 10 times, Russ.
BereanRuss, (and even Ralphy… for you still haven’t answered the question, yet)

You may have answered this already, but this thread is going so fast…

How do you read John 6:53 in anyway BUT literal?

In ancient Israel, according to the Psalms, to “eat someone’s flesh”, in a figurative way, was to “loathe and revile” someone.

How can you possibly take John 6:53 figuratively, understanding this? Couldn’t this be the very reason the ancient Jews had so much trouble accepting this hard teaching.
 
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