Do Catholics faver Mary over Jesus?

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Quote from Carol Marie “I’m busy working on overcoming my own sins…”

The good news is that you could do more than that. You see the people who practice such a thing are people who are not informed about our doctrine nor the power of the gospels. It is our job to talk about it with them because many of them would be filling the empty seats at the local protestant church, while saying, “no body told me about the real God”.
 
E.E.N.S.:
Your first and last paragraphs are ‘mostly’ okay, but your second paragraph shows that you don’t understand the rosary, or novenas…the rosary is a prayer not only dedicated to Mary, but Our Lord as well - in fact we dwell on Christ’s life, death and resurrection as focal points in the rosary. Not only that, but it is not soley for the purpose of praying to get out of a ‘hard time’ but to enlighten our spiritual lives. We should pray for many purposes besides hardships, but also in thanksgiving, and perseverence, others, etc…What then do you think about many of the saints that took to praying the rosary many times a day? (For example, it was said that Padre Pio prayed the rosary some 30 times a day, every day.)
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I do know that Rosary is supposed to lead us to Jesus. Therefore I say that Rosary/ Mary & the saints are to testify about Jesus, and not to become the focus. I am talking about bad practices and not about bad teaching.

The teaching about Mary is an evolving teaching. The Church is to dicern the role of herself in the world in the “New Eve” shoes, until one day The Groom will come and she will become “the most fair Bride”. When Mary witness her son on the cross, only then Jesus said to her “woman” instead of “mother”. My personal believe is that at that time Mary was transformed into the New Eve because she was witnessing/ focusing on the cross.
 
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francisca:
When Mary witness her son on the cross, only then Jesus said to her “woman” instead of “mother”.
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Actually, He also calls her “woman” at the wedding feast at Cana.
 
You make some good points Ricardo, I am constantly trying to help my fellow Catholics learn more about the faith. Many in Latin America are easy targets for being mis-led. I know of a guy who left the Catholic Church to Iglesia Universal because of their health and wealth gospel. If he had only known how what his faith really was…

That is the great thing about living in this time, we have to chance to share the faith. I love to share books of Catholicism to my family and this usually gets rid of a lot of superstition (or poor teaching) and helps them understand the gift of their faith better.

There is a great saying here,

Católico ignorante, seguro protestante

God Bless
Scylla
 
Non-denom.

Let me put it to you this way. When I walk into my Tae Kwon Do school I bow to pay respect. When I see my Master and anyone who is of higher and lower rank I bow. Does that mean that I worship them over God? No it doesn’t it’s just the highest form of showing respect. When you bow to someone you actually humble yourself in there presence.

I do the same thing when I train Jiu-Jitsu. When someone is a higher rank and is instructing me and the class I bow to pay them respect. When at a TKD tournement you bow to your opponent to show respect to him and/or her.

Do you now know the difference between worship and honor? When will you prots. ever give it up on the worship and idolatry stuff?

Let me ask you this question. Does your non-D church put up nativity sets at advent (christmas)? I have seen many protestant churches in my area put these nativity sets up. Why do they put them up, isn’t that a form of idolatry?
 
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Non-denom.

Let me put it to you this way. When I walk into my Tae Kwon Do school I bow to pay respect. When I see my Master and anyone who is of higher and lower rank I bow. Does that mean that I worship them over God? No it doesn’t it’s just the highest form of showing respect. When you bow to someone you actually humble yourself in there presence.

I do the same thing when I train Jiu-Jitsu. When someone is a higher rank and is instructing me and the class I bow to pay them respect. When at a TKD tournement you bow to your opponent to show respect to him and/or her.

Do you now know the difference between worship and honor? When will you prots. ever give it up on the worship and idolatry stuff?

Let me ask you this question. Does your non-D church put up nativity sets at advent (christmas)? I have seen many protestant churches in my area put these nativity sets up. Why do they put them up, isn’t that a form of idolatry?
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Indeed… the reason a person bows when they are knighted is because a bow is a vulnerable position. You are showing your allegiance to that person, for whatever reason. it does not mean that you are worshipping them, it just merely means that you stand for what they stand for. Same in our veneration of Mary. Mary, who was the first Christian, who is called Blessed (which is scriptural) is indeed alive and in Heaven. We honor her by asking her to pray for us as we would any of our fellow Christians here with us today. The Body of Christ does not stop at death, because we believe that Christ Jesus overcame death when He gave up His life on the cross for us. The communion of saints is simple… it just means that we are still united with our departed brethren who have gone on to join the Messiah in Heaven with His Father. Asking Mary to help guide you in God’s will is not placing Mary above God, it is showing the same esteem for His mother that He did. When the Blessed Virgin made that sacrifice and said she would carry the Son in her womb, she made it possible for all of us to attain salvation. Not that she is our salvation, but rather, she cooperated with God because she loved Him so much and trusted in Him.
 
E.E.N.S.:
Actually, He also calls her “woman” at the wedding feast at Cana.
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And this was when Mary put her trust & hope in Him (Jesus), didn’t she?
 
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francisca:
And this was when Mary put her trust & hope in Him (Jesus), didn’t she?
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No. I don’t think so.

Why would you pick this time?

She put her trust in God even before the Annunciation.
 
NonDenom: You haven’t answered my question. Maybe it requires time to think about it.

Do you believe us when we tell you that we’re not worshipping Mary or not? Or are you still discerning?
 
JMJ

How ya doing NonDemon yo little pussy cat you, and you others here too,

From what I have seen here and from what I have seen from other members of non-denominational denominations, NonDenom made up his mind BEFORE he asked the question? The question was not meant to clearify NonDenom’s understanding of Christs body, His Catholic Church and the Faith God gave us. It was meant to tell us what NonDenom falsely thinks in his own mind that we believe and he’s trying to convience us that what he ignorently thinks we believe is true and what we believe from God is false.

Several posts have made the Catholic Faith clear and NonDenom has chosen to ignore them. Whatever he was told by his preacher (or whoever in his church) is true, anything we say is wrong. Protestants can kneel down (as kids, I don’t see many Protestant adults knell down before God when they pray) and pray to dolls and wood crosses and bibles and pictures and TV’s and each other and that’s OK but when Catholics kneel down in front of a reminder of Jesus or His mother or a great Saint then it is graven idol worship. Just another nondenominational denomination double standard here. I suppose praying in front of statues is bad because Protestants don’t use them but praying in front of pictures is OK since Protestants do use them.:whacky:

NonDenom, here is another task for you. Look up the words ‘graven’, ‘image’, ‘idol’, ‘venerate’, ‘honor’ and ‘worship’. You will see how you use them and how that may not be the same definition in which Catholics use them. We do not allways use the same words the same way. Catholics use the word ‘adore’ for God and God alone. Look it up too. You need to use the dictionary, it will open your eyes, if you choose to anyway.

This thread should be closed since NonDenom seems to be preaching and not discussing in order to find the truth.

A prisoner of Christ,
 
he probably moved on because he can’t call us Cats in here.
 
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santaro75:
he probably moved on because he can’t call us Cats in here.
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Hi Guy’s
No I haven’t been hideing, we went on a very nice Labor Day weekend. I hope you all took advantage of the three day weekend.
If you go back and read my post #44 you will notice that I didn’t say that I think that you worship idols. I did say that many think this because that is the way it appears to the outside world. If I were to kneel before a statue of a man and pray to that man,. then they would think that I’m worshipping that man. I personaly don’t think that the Catholics I know are worshipping statues.
I was calling you ‘‘cats’’ because many of you call us ‘‘prots’’ or ‘‘fundys’’. It was meant to be lighthearted. Sorry if I offended anybody.
Thanks.
 
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NonDenom:
Hi Guy’s
No I haven’t been hideing, we went on a very nice Labor Day weekend. I hope you all took advantage of the three day weekend.
If you go back and read my post #44 you will notice that I didn’t say that I think that you worship idols. I did say that many think this because that is the way it appears to the outside world. If I were to kneel before a statue of a man and pray to that man,. then they would think that I’m worshipping that man. I personaly don’t think that the Catholics I know are worshipping statues.
I was calling you ‘‘cats’’ because many of you call us ‘‘prots’’ or ‘‘fundys’’. It was meant to be lighthearted. Sorry if I offended anybody.
Thanks.
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Cool,
Any chance you can tell people that Catholics don’t worship idols when they start saying things like that?

You can campare it to this for them if it would help…
When people saw the images in the movie “The Passion” the gravity of the sacrifice Jesus made was made so much more real. Many people after seeing these “images” were driven to pray and thank Jesus with more fervence than ever. That is what the stations of the cross, the crucifix, icons and statues are used for in the church. They help us focus our prayer. You watch the movie and probably said a prayer right in the middle of it, you are not praying to the movie, but to him which the movie makes you focus!
 
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NonDenom:
Hi Guy’s
No I haven’t been hideing, we went on a very nice Labor Day weekend. I hope you all took advantage of the three day weekend.
If you go back and read my post #44 you will notice that I didn’t say that I think that you worship idols. I did say that many think this because that is the way it appears to the outside world. If I were to kneel before a statue of a man and pray to that man,. then they would think that I’m worshipping that man. I personaly don’t think that the Catholics I know are worshipping statues.
I was calling you ‘‘cats’’ because many of you call us ‘‘prots’’ or ‘‘fundys’’. It was meant to be lighthearted. Sorry if I offended anybody.
Thanks.
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Fair enough.

I contacted another poster, explained the situation and asked him to write out the full names instead of “prots” and “fundys.” He wrote back and said, “No problem.” Thought you might like that.

Thanks for responding.
 
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NonDenom:
Hi Guy’s
No I haven’t been hideing, we went on a very nice Labor Day weekend. I hope you all took advantage of the three day weekend.
If you go back and read my post #44 you will notice that I didn’t say that I think that you worship idols. I did say that many think this because that is the way it appears to the outside world. If I were to kneel before a statue of a man and pray to that man,. then they would think that I’m worshipping that man. I personaly don’t think that the Catholics I know are worshipping statues.
I was calling you ‘‘cats’’ because many of you call us ‘‘prots’’ or ‘‘fundys’’. It was meant to be lighthearted. Sorry if I offended anybody.
Thanks.
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NonDenom,
Words…Words….Words…Words….Words…

It’s funny how words can cause so many problems. Martha Stewart didn’t go to prison for insider trading. She went to prison for lying. She went to prison because of what she said, not what she did. Maybe I’m a little different than some others on this thread, because “Hi cats” didn’t bother me. There isn’t a whole lot that does. Words don’t bother me. With all of the ways a person can be harmed, words seem to me to present the lowest threat. It’s too bad that we have conditioned ourselves with “triggers” that say “hey, what did he say, that should offend me”. When my mother told me “you are not always going to get your way” and “life isn’t easy” and my Father said “there are going to being times in your life, when things get tough, when they do, take it like a man” I listened to them. I listened to my parents and they were right. I believe it’s that way of dealing with problems that made War World II Vet’s the “Greatest Generation”. They weren’t a generation of cry babies. They knew, in life they were not always going to have it their way and for the men, when things did get tough, they “took it like a man”.

God Bless
 
The abbreviation Cats doesn’t bother me either. In fact, I think that there is something appealing in the name. It as if Nondenomination is telling us how hip and cool we all are.:cool:

If abbreviations like fundy, prot or cat bothers people though, we shouldn’t use them.
 
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deb1:
If abbreviations like fundy, prot or cat bothers people though, we shouldn’t use them.
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dep1,
I agree. If something you say bothers someone else, the “Christian” thing to do, is not say it. However, as Catholics, Christians isn’t it incumbent on us not to let things people say to us, bother us?
 
Jimmy B said:
NonDenom,
Words…Words….Words…Words….Words…

It’s funny how words can cause so many problems. Martha Stewart didn’t go to prison for insider trading. She went to prison for lying. She went to prison because of what she said, not what she did. Maybe I’m a little different than some others on this thread, because “Hi cats” didn’t bother me. There isn’t a whole lot that does. Words don’t bother me. With all of the ways a person can be harmed, words seem to me to present the lowest threat. It’s too bad that we have conditioned ourselves with “triggers” that say “hey, what did he say, that should offend me”. When my mother told me “you are not always going to get your way” and “life isn’t easy” and my Father said “there are going to being times in your life, when things get tough, when they do, take it like a man” I listened to them. I listened to my parents and they were right. I believe it’s that way of dealing with problems that made War World II Vet’s the “Greatest Generation”. They weren’t a generation of cry babies. They knew, in life they were not always going to have it their way and for the men, when things did get tough, they “took it like a man”.

Hi JB
OOPS!!!
I mean
Hi Jimmy B
I sure wish more people were like you. It didn’t bother me when people called me a ‘‘prot’’ or ‘‘fundy’’. I don’t worry about such small things. But if it offends someone I guess I should stop.
Thanks for the kind words.
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NonDenom:
Jimmy B:
Hi JB
OOPS!!!
I mean
Hi Jimmy B
I sure wish more people were like you. It didn’t bother me when people called me a ‘‘prot’’ or ‘‘fundy’’. I don’t worry about such small things. But if it offends someone I guess I should stop.
Thanks for the kind words.
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NonDenom: then why did you question me about correcting others?

I don’t like being called Cat. Shoot me, then. Words do mean something because they mean intent.

Try this. There are two ways you can say this to a woman.

#1. You look like the first day of spring.

or

#2. You look like the last day of winter.

If words mean so little, then go ahead and use these interchangeably. She won’t mind. :rolleyes:
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