Islam does not deny that Christ came in the flesh. To the contrary, the Qur’an affirms it in at least nine places. Here is one:
To avoid confusion, let us first define Who the Christ is: the only begotten Son of God, co-eternal and consubstantial with the Father, possessing two natures - human and divine, yet appearing in human flesh. Islam, Judaism Mormonism, JWs, Oneness Pentecostals and many others deny this.
The definition of Christ is Messiah. That is what John had in mind when he stated that those who deny Christ came in the flesh were the anti-Christ. These were gnostics who denied that the Messiah ever had a human body. It has nothing to do with the Trinity or with the christology promoted at the Council of Chaldean, neither of which had been formulated when John wrote his epistles.
Is it safe to say Catholics have much more unity with Protestants who adhere to the Apostles’ Creed and Nicene Creed? As a reformed credal confessional Christian, I have a lot in common with Catholics.
As far as I am aware, the Quran doesn’t say he was not crucified but “appeared” to have been crucified".
There is nothing in the Qur’an or the hadith that says this.
You might try placing such passages in their context. Here is the passage which proceeds it:
Uh, when I read the Biblical references to heaven it speaks of pearly gates and streets of gold. Could it be that both texts are being metaphorical? Huri (often translated as virgins) is one of the few words in the Arabic language that carry no gender whatsoever. Baha’u’llah uses the Huri is the symbol of the Holy Spirit.
Have I said anything different? By our baptism we are made brothers and sister in Christ, yet we are separated to the degree that the apostolic faith is rejected. The Eucharist is a biggy. If my brother runs away from home, he is still my brother? Of course.
I think you have created yet another strawman, CU. There are no Catholics here that espouse such a view.Do Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as they do with Protestants?
Sometimes it’s simply a misunderstanding since forum site conversation is very limited. However, it seems to me that some on here believe Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as the do with Protestants (baptized in Triune formula). I think that is incorrect scripturally and the Catechism of the Catholic Church too. What are your thoughts on the issue in our pluralistic world? Does it even matter that Protestants are united to Christ and Muslims are not in Catholic theology?
We don’t. All who are saved are saved through Christ’s shed blood on the cross. He is the baptizer, and He can baptize those He chooses. He has brought all those who awaited His appearing into His kingdom, unless you repudiate Heb. 11. According to your standard, none of those mentioned in that chapter are united to Christ.
Yes, have there not been several apparitions of Mary to Muslims, one witnessed by hundreds of thousands, possibly a million people in Egypt at a Coptic Orthodox Church from 1968 to 1970. Muslims had just marked the doors of Christians with red crosses and were on the verge of a masacre. Mary’s appearance stopped the whole thing. Muslims were being cured from polio, blindness, cancer… Pretty fascinating.
Whoa! Christianity gets to define the Christ. And, that definition is exactly what I posted. If one has a different definition, then one has a different messiah. It does not matter one whit what others believe him/her/it to be. What matters is the revealed Truth.
I don’t think there are people on here who think we have the same unity with Muslims as with Protestants (i’ve never read anything suggesting that on here). Clearly we have far. far more unity with our brothers and sisters in Christ.
I’m glad to read these postings Guanophore. It was not a stawman’s thread, rather I was really concerned what I was reading the last few days. Sometimes it seems Catholics have a tendency to overreact against Protestants and forget that we are both united to Christ. I have seen Catholics compared baptized Protestants to Muslims, Jews, Mormons, and JWs which is incorrect. I think the correction has been made on here.
You know, many Christians committed violence in the name of God…
All the more reason you need to read up on Catholicism. The truth is reached, not by dialog and consensus, but by individual hearts denying themselves, taking up their crosses daily and following Christ - wherever He leads them. If they are not lead to unity, then they are not following Christ but rather, some worldly spirit.I’m glad to read these postings Guanophore. It was not a stawman’s thread, rather I was really concerned what I was reading the last few days. Sometimes it seems Catholics have a tendency to overreact against Protestants and forget that we are both united to Christ. I have seen Catholics compared baptized Protestants to Muslims, Jews, Mormons, and JWs which is incorrect. I think the correction has been made on here.
You have a tendancy to completley miss the purpose of making such comparisons. My feeling is that you are just skimming over the posts and not absorbing whatt is being said.I’m glad to read these postings Guanophore. It was not a stawman’s thread, rather I was really concerned what I was reading the last few days. Sometimes it seems Catholics have a tendency to overreact against Protestants and forget that we are both united to Christ. I have seen Catholics compared baptized Protestants to Muslims, Jews, Mormons, and JWs which is incorrect. I think the correction has been made on here.