Do Catholics still support Trump

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Jig_Saw said:
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MamasBoy33:
I keep hearing on this thread that trump hasn’t did a thing about him being pro-life.
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Lifesitenews is rightwing, pope bashing garbage.
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I suppose reporting about a scientist selling baby body parts, unions giving $1.1 billion to Planned Parenthood and pro-abort Dems, reporting how Facebook calls prolife groups “hateful and threatening” and is banning one of them, or how an Irish Bishop calls abortion “always evil,” or how a couple of pastors/priests advised women who were victims of rape to abort their unborn child, etc., are, in your estimation “garbage” stories.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no other media source passing on these little news items.

Sure, you might not appreciate that such stories are being told and are somewhat widely distributed, but that does not mean they ought not be related to those who need to see the entire social/political landscape, rather than just accept your authority and judgement on such things.
 
Thanks Timothy…

For DACA, the death penalty and immigration, I am simply pointing out where the president is at odds with Church leadership. The USCCB has spoken out against Trump’s actions related to DACA and immigration/travel Ban. For the death penalty, AG Jeff Sessions and President Trump are at odds with the Catechism, Pope Francis and St John Paul II on the matter…

In all cases, I’ll stick with the Church and Church leadership…
 
MidwestGuy said:
The Catholic Bishops of the United States teach that Catholics are not single-issue

voters, yet “if a candidate’s position on a single issue promotes an intrinsically evil act,

such as legal abortion, redefining marriage in a way that denies its essential meaning, or

racist behavior, a voter may legitimately disqualify a candidate from receiving support”

(Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship, n. 42). On the level of the presidential

election, both Hillary Clinton and Senator Tim Kaine, the Democratic candidates for

President and Vice-President, respectively, both hold stridently aggressive positions

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that promote intrinsically evils acts “such as legal abortion” and “redefining marriage

in a way that denies its essential meaning.”
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Thank you. I have read the voter’s guide and appreciate you sharing the teaching of the Bishop on this matter.
 
HarryStotle said:
Sure, you might not appreciate that such stories are being told and are somewhat widely distributed, but that does not mean they ought not be related to those who need to see the entire social/political landscape, rather than just accept your authority and judgement on such things.
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Well, there are the stories you pointed out and then there is the unwavering support for child rapist Roy Moore. I guess you can’t raise the money unless you have the right wing slant and that’s why you see Lifesitenews and Church Militant becoming the Breitbarts of the Catholic media. So, as long as it keeps the donations rolling in, I’m sure they’ll keep telling you that Donald Trump is a great pro-life politician.
 
Most people including Democrats today are not racist. Also, many Democrats have been voting consistently republican or more accurately pro-life since Jimmy Carter.
sallybutler said:
Shouldn’t that apply to other things also? Once pro-choice, can never be pro-life? Once not a Christian, never can be a Christian?
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Unfortunately, the Democratic party has pro-choice policies in their platform. Several Democrats have indicated they are aiming to try and change this. The Republicans, on the other hand, have the right platform, more or less, but are horrible at executing it.
 
Most people including Democrats today are not racist. Also, many Democrats have been voting consistently republican or more accurately pro-life since Jimmy Carter.

There has been a lot of change up and down the political spectrum. Being a racist still isn’t very marketable, but we are in danger of going back due to identity politics mostly on the left with some feedback loops on the right.

Also, the one thing I like about you is that you don’t play the identity politics game.
sallybutler said:
Shouldn’t that apply to other things also? Once pro-choice, can never be pro-life? Once not a Christian, never can be a Christian?
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Unfortunately, the Democratic party has pro-choice policies in their platform. Several Democrats have indicated they are aiming to try and change this. The Republicans, on the other hand, have the right platform, more or less, but are horrible at executing it.

What I want to see is both parties to move into pro-Catholic positions. It’s very important to have 2 robust political parties and just one that dog whistles for pro-life votes.
 
godisgood77 said:
In all cases, I’ll stick with the Church and Church leadership…
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I’m with you too on the side of the Church and the leadership, but if you read all their statements you realize it isn’t such a black or white issue, that the Church is right and Trump and his administration is wrong.
 
There are very few things that are black and white - agree with you there.

Your point is fair… I’ll concede that the Trump administration is only mostly wrong and largely in conflict with the Church on those issues.
 
The USCCB doesn’t do it’s homework on the issues and/or doesn’t understand the fundamentals.
 
The USCCB doesn’t do it’s homework on the issues and/or doesn’t understand the fundamentals.
anon65111186 said:
I’m with you too on the side of the Church and the leadership, but if you read all their statements you realize it isn’t such a black or white issue, that the Church is right and Trump and his administration is wrong.
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You’re fine. Don’t let them use the appeal to authority fallacy that vanishes into the mists when it comes to gay “marriage”.
 
Trump is making pro-life moves, good trump.
Lots of hatred coming to Trump by Catholics, but a practicing Catholic like us, priest bishops, cardinals will pray for your success.
Us layman and ordained ministry will pray while the other Catholics are still hurt and sadden.
I’ll pray for this Catholics that are sadden.
Mary please pray for us
 
Remember Just because people say there Catholic doesn’t mean they are. No offense but these are Anti-Grumps I mean Anti trumps , its not easy for them to just say i support Trump, they need prayer. But when we deliver we must tell them stop being grumpy and change.
 
I’m sorry, are you seriously suggesting that if someone does not support Donald Trump, you don’t view them as a true Catholic?

Catholicism is a religion, not a political movement, and I would imagine many Catholics would find it disturbing that some of their coreligionists want to blur that line.
 
Jig_Saw said:
It’s not nonsense. Lifesitenews is right wing propaganda (hence the award from Trump) and a Pope bashing site. The mods at LSN have banned commenters who like the Pope and also banned a commenter who said that the accusations against Roy Moore were credible.
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  1. “right wing propaganda” LOL. And what isn’t, as far as you are concerned?
  2. “Pope bashing.” You mean the site raised concerns about some of Pope Francis’ comments or writings?
  3. “Banned commentators” Well that charge absolutely reeks of half truth. The question is why were they really banned, not what they incidentally happen to have said or who they happen to like. They may happen to like the Pope or happen to think certain things about Moore are true, but those may not have been precisely reasons for which they were banned. The whole story is required. Nice try.
 
I think lots of us go with just a gut feeling. Many righteous Catholics won’t share on this blog only because they probably feel they ain’t changing no one’s mind. I try to ask Catholic or any Christian to pay for Trump and didn’t be so angry.
Pope John Paul ran across lots of Atheist and sinners but he alwayslooked for the good in them.
When i see Anti trumps they don’t think like that, they go with earthly Wisdom and criticise him and never say " let’s pray for him". You never hear them say " hes making the best out of and trying his hardest" no what you hear is " he is making the best to go to war or divorce , fight." That’s all you hear
 
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