Do Catholics still support Trump

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I never supported him. I think we took the single issue voting WAY too far and that we embraced the heresy of the lesser of two evils. I voted third party.
 
Sure do.

Things are rolling along just fine. We could speed things up in fact.

ISIS destroyed in 10 months.
Immigration down sharply.
Deportations of criminal immigrants up.
Tax bill almost done.
Dissambly of obamacare will happen, already started.
prototypes of the wall are now being evaluated.
rainbow assault on the family is being brushed back.

All without the help of the USSCB.

Testosterone is once again flowing in our government.

I am very very happy at this time of year.
 
So by your logic, we should just give the government all our money and everything will be fine.

It is not correct to say “no credible economist who thinks…” that is defining a thing with that same thing. “Only credible economist think… Therefore any economist who doesn’t think… is not credible.” You would be correct in saying a minority of economists think that the tax cuts will help at the moment.

I attended a speech by liberal economist John Kenneth Galbraith once. He said, “Economists predict the future, not because they know it, but because they are asked.” He is right. It is also well known that economists have a “herd mentality.” When an economic opinion starts trending, the majority jump on board and the majority has been seriously wrong in the past.

What they all should admit, however, is that while the tax cuts, in and of themselves, will not turn the economy around, consumer and investor confidence will. There is no way to predict that. If anyone could, they would be rich beyond measure. But if the tax cuts create improvement in confidence, it will increase GNP. That is always the risk. The tax cuts are now a reality. So it’s time to jump on the confidence bandwagon.

It’s true the debt goes up no matter what. But that doesn’t make it right. Perhaps the goal right now is to cut the rate of increase in spending. Since the Obama administration increased the debt faster than any since Roosevelt, that can only get better.

Also, I am tired of the government taking too much of my money and squandering it. I would like to keep more of it. If that passes some responsibility on to millennials, I’ll accept that. It’s about time they took responsibility for something instead of just complaining.
 
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jfz178 said:
So by your logic, we should just give the government all our money and everything will be fine.
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I never said any such thing. I never even remotely suggested such. I do however believe that accuracy is important.
jfz178 said:
It is not correct to say “no credible economist who thinks…” that is defining a thing with that same thing. “Only credible economist think… Therefore any economist who doesn’t think… is not credible.” You would be correct in saying a minority of economists think that the tax cuts will help at the moment.
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The specific issue we are addressing is your claim that the tax cuts will pay for themselves. Can you link me to one independent economist who believes these tax cuts will pay for themselves? Or are we letting our grandchildren pick up the bill?
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Also, I am tired of the government taking too much of my money and squandering it. I would like to keep more of it. If that passes some responsibility on to millennials, I’ll accept that. It’s about time they took responsibility for something instead of just complaining.
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I don’t disagree. I believe we should immediately cut defense, social security and medicare. Then we can have the best of all possible worlds, lower taxes and a lower debt given to our grandchildren.
 
Lol…I was gonna say we had a president who was Catholic and as we know now wasn’t exactly upholding Catholic values.
 
If one single person more implies or flat out accuses me of being a Democrat because I don’t support Trump, I’m gonna SCREAM.
 
Umm…that’s funny, I don’t recall posting the accusation that Spyridon is a Democrat. Anyone?..Anyone?..Bueller?
 
The way you started with “true but…” then segued into Democrats supporting abortion gave me the impression that’s what you were getting at.
 
Well, Democrats do indeed support and fight for abortion, tooth and nail. (Dokken anyone?) Republicans can frustrate the crapola out of me, since very few are what I would consider traditionally conservative. However, I can’t recall a single Republican Convention that had Planned Parenthood as their keynote speaker. Nor do I ever recall a single Republican praying for abortion rights. The party has many faults, but gleefully supporting the killing of innocents isn’t one of them. My conscience is at peace.
 
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Weinstein only admits to promiscuity due to sexual addiction.
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A non-existent condition used by many to avoid personal responsibility. It doesn’t even meet the criteria of addiction.
I apologize for veering off track.
To the actual topic:
I’m not American and not Catholic.
I was appalled to see Trump being selected to run. Trump’s character and behaviour falls short of Christian standards. By talking about and doing some minor things to protect religious freedoms is better than Hillary Clinton and appreciated but that’s low hanging fruit. It would be nice if some of the politicians where I live could even do that amid the quiet erosion of religious freedoms and parental rights. I sympathise with many Trump voters.
As president, he spends too much time on Twitter, riling up opponents and on trivial matters. I was hoping President Trump would replace Candidate Trump. Could Trump not learn from Mike Pence on how to behave better?
 
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Here is a list of 137 economists who support the bill.

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www.cnbc.com

I doubt you will get cuts in social security and medicare. That would be political suicide for any politician. Cuts in defense spending are very possible, but they have to be done carefully so as not to create an inability to control the threats presented by the likes of Iran and N. Korea, but there is a lot of room there. And there are plenty of other places to cut.
 
Well that’s the only other real possibility isn’t it? Libertarians and Socialists aren’t even viable, so they mean nothing. Your vote, or lack of a vote, supports one of the major parties whether you like it or not. Do the math.
 
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Here is a list of 137 economists who support the bill.
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Do they claim the tax cuts will pay for itself? That was your claim. If you are ok with leaving your grandchildren a larger debt then by all means support the tax cut. But dont pretend that it doesnt harm future generations.
 
Good point…we’re still licking our wounds after buying that Obamacare would pay for itself, fix unemployment and lower the deficit.

We’ve learned!
 
Were you this upset when Obama tried this best to screw us over by attacking the Church with the HHS contraceptive mandate?

Were you this heated when he said “God bless Planned Parenthood”?

Just wonderin’
 
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Good point…we’re still licking our wounds after buying that Obamacare would pay for itself, fix unemployment and lower the deficit.

We’ve learned!
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Have we learned? If we really cared about future generations would we be giving ourselves tax cuts at their expense?
 
They don’t know and you don’t know whether the cuts will pay for themselves and therefore what effect it will have on future generations, so your argument is a red herring.

The only question is do we hand the next generation more of a “tax and spend” government or less of one?

It’s our money, now, and we should get to keep as much of it as possible if we want to, and I do.
 
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They don’t know and you don’t know whether the cuts will pay for themselves and therefore what effect it will have on future generations, so your argument is a red herring.
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Ok, so the professionals who understand how taxes affect economic behavior don’t think the tax cuts will pay for themselves, so we should believe you instead? What special expertise do you bring to the table?
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The only question is do we hand the next generation more of a “tax and spend” government or less of one?
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So the republicans think the government taxes too much and spends too much. Except of course, that they are not cutting spending, so they really don’t think the government spends too much. So how is it virtuous to give the future generation a high spending government that cannot pay its bills?
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It’s our money, now, and we should get to keep as much of it as possible if we want to, and I do.
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What obligation do you have to the future generation to pay for the deficit? Do you think it is right to leave them a big debt?
 
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