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kozlosap
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Your call for everyone to read Theology of the Body is admirable, but most likely will not effect most couples. 
Do conservative Christian teachings on homosexuality cause hatred and violence against the LGBT community?
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migueltojose
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We are all sinners.
The Catechism is true, I believe, but adultery, masturbation, pornography, lust, are also sins.
We must be inclusive while not condoning sin. But we must acknowledge the repetitive nature of sin.
The right side of the cross is longer than the left side of the cross and someone asked Jesus why and he said the right side was Mercy and the left side was Justice. (I think it was St. Faustina but I’m not sure).
Art is long but time is fleeting. Mercy is great but justice is swift and final.
Forewarned is forearmed. Advent and Lent are reminders to always be ready.
The Catechism is true, I believe, but adultery, masturbation, pornography, lust, are also sins.
We must be inclusive while not condoning sin. But we must acknowledge the repetitive nature of sin.
The right side of the cross is longer than the left side of the cross and someone asked Jesus why and he said the right side was Mercy and the left side was Justice. (I think it was St. Faustina but I’m not sure).
Art is long but time is fleeting. Mercy is great but justice is swift and final.
Forewarned is forearmed. Advent and Lent are reminders to always be ready.
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Rau
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Whether one **believes **one is experiencing a feeling (an attraction, something of the mind), or is “actually” experiencing it, is a distinction without a difference. Remember - there is an acknowledged cause of SSA - though no one knows what it is. It is perfectly fine (theologically) to believe it is a delusion/psychological condition, or something else.
It’s very significant that you accept the statement that some people believe they “experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction…”. This allows you to accept these people as genuine and truthful when they report their attractions. It allows you to see no sin in the attractions. It allows you to concur with the exhortation to treat such people - as all people - with respect. And it allows you to maintain correctly the sinfulness of same sex sexual relations. All as the Church teaches.
Congratulations on your progress with this issue jjr9!
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Rosebud77
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When I was younger, we never spoke of these matters. ( I am well over 70 so go figure when that was!) An old friend from those times and I discussed this.We taught at a girls school and we would have had no idea of or interest in each others private and domestic lives.
And that continues for me now and how I wish folk would not push these things in all our faces. As one friend put it, I do not want to hear in the queue at the supermarket that you are gay
When I wrote to a paper when they were about to introduce teaching that gay cohabitaition was an equal way of life to marriage, I lost several I had counted friends All I did was speak the Christian way. Same later when I was trapped into saying that and got dumped of a general health focussed forum
The discrimination has always come from the gay lobby… WHY do they insist that EVERY must agree with them and then accuse us of doing just that. You choose a gay lifestyle? Your choice for your life. Mine is mine; celibacy unless I marry in the Church.
Get over it!
Far more interesting things to talk about…
And that continues for me now and how I wish folk would not push these things in all our faces. As one friend put it, I do not want to hear in the queue at the supermarket that you are gay
When I wrote to a paper when they were about to introduce teaching that gay cohabitaition was an equal way of life to marriage, I lost several I had counted friends All I did was speak the Christian way. Same later when I was trapped into saying that and got dumped of a general health focussed forum
The discrimination has always come from the gay lobby… WHY do they insist that EVERY must agree with them and then accuse us of doing just that. You choose a gay lifestyle? Your choice for your life. Mine is mine; celibacy unless I marry in the Church.
Get over it!
Far more interesting things to talk about…
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StudentMI
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And what about family or friends who want support in their struggles? Would you tell them you don’t want to hear it and there’s more interesting things to talk about?
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PRmerger
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As Catholics we should support all of our family and friends in their struggles.
However, support does NOT mean: we endorse your choices.
Imagine if there was a polyamorist in the family who was struggling with his disordered desire.
How would you respond to him?
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StudentMI
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Where did I say support means endorsing? I was responding to a post that said ‘I don’t want to hear about it period.’ That she mentioned endorsement shows she equates any acknowledgement of such orientations with support. And so I mentioned someone who simply wanted support in their struggles.
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Strydersroom
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Fortunately for many, it’s not a struggle at all, but rather a source of joy, inspiration, and pride. (No pun intended) 
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StudentMI
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Oh totally. I just meant that even from a Catholic perspective one is doing a dis-service by condemning any talk about it at all. I don’t wonder why so many gay people leave the Church.Fortunately for many, it’s not a struggle at all, but rather a source of joy, inspiration, and pride. (No pun intended)
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PRmerger
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Fair enough.
As long as you understand that as a Catholic offering support to those with disordered desires you don’t encourage them to continue in their disorder.
And of course, dialogue is always a good thing.
The “I don’t want to hear about it” is, I suspect, more of a, “I don’t want to hear that your disordered desire is something to be embraced and celebrated and full of pride about.”
You agree with that, yes?
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PRmerger
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I imagine the adulterer could say the same thing.Fortunately for many, it’s not a struggle at all, but rather a source of joy, inspiration, and pride. (No pun intended)
Your response to him would be…what?
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StudentMI
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No, I don’t. Her post specifically shut down any communication about it. I can only go by what was posted. If I am wrong she can correct me.
Such an attitude, which I see here often, reminds me of that dreadful scene from How Green Was My Valley, where a group of women are discussing the marriage woes of their pastor and his wife, and when one finally breaks the news that they’re going to divorce the word ‘divorce’ must be whispered from ear to ear among the group as if speaking it too loudly will bring fire and brimstone down upon them.
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PRmerger
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No,no, no. I wasn’t asking if you agreed with Rosebud’s post.
I was asking if you agreed with this: “I don’t want to hear that your disordered desire is something to be embraced and celebrated and full of pride about.”
You can agree with that statement, yes?
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Strydersroom
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No, because what one considers disordered another may not.
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PRmerger
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Do you consider it disordered to want to commit adultery?
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Jake_Parker
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This is the one reason why I still have not officially become Catholic (because I am gay). I have practicing Catholic friends that tell me I should become part of the church anyway, but I struggle with that.Oh totally. I just meant that even from a Catholic perspective one is doing a dis-service by condemning any talk about it at all. I don’t wonder why so many gay people leave the Church.
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PRmerger
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Do you believe that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus established?
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PatrickKennedy
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They certainly do. Leading on occasion to death
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Strydersroom
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Do you consider it disordered to desire any kind of sexual pleasure when one is not married, regardless of sexual orientation?
As far as your question goes, it is completely orderered and natural to want to have sexual pleasure, whether solo or with a partner. Now obviously, how one acts upon that desire is totally in their control, and thus context is absolutely needed. Concerning adultery, that equals at least one partner cheating on their spouse so that could be a debate about morality. But what about 2 people not married, but still wanting to have romantic, intimate and sexual relations. Do you consider this disordered? Some do not even consider it a sin by the way. So in my opinion, the wanting, or desiring to commit adultery is not disordered at all, but if one acts upon it then a different debate is needed, and neither is related to the topic at hand.
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at9009
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Hey, fellow gay Catholic guy here living a celibate life and always striving to improve my chastity. Feel free to message me if you have any questions or want some insight from my perspective.
I don’t want to distract too much from this thread (which doesn’t really seem to matter since its already lost its focus it seems) but why do you think you can’t be Catholic officially?
The Church teaches the acts are sinful not the orientation. While that usually means celibacy for people (means celibacy for me personally) and that can be hard to accept, one can find support (just need to know where to look), grow in faith, and grow spiritually. Some people here don’t particularly handle this topic well (it delves rather quickly into US vs THEM culture war mentality) but there are good sources of devout Catholics who are gay/ssa (some prefer ssa as for personal reasons over gay which is a whole another discussion)- Eve Tushnet and Joey Prever come to mind as two examples. Anyway have a good day.
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