Do conservative Christian teachings on homosexuality cause hatred and violence against the LGBT community?

[PatrickKennedy]

If you read the Catechism on Homosexuality that “middle ground” you spoke of is EXACTLY what the Catholic Church teaches: the ACTS are “objectively disordered”, i.e. sinful; the PEOPLE are to be loved, respected and all signs of unjust discrimination eliminated.

To answer the first part: in a philosophical sense, no. The spoken belief of any kind CANNOT result in violence. Only violent actions can result in violence.

To say that speaking the belief that homosexual acts are wrong “causes” violence against those who suffer with Same Sex Attraction would be a non-sequitor. The conclusion does not follow from the premise.

BUT would speech that advocates violence against someone else put those ideas in someone else’s head? Sure. Look at what happened to the police.

However, I do not hear, out of any mainstream Christian source a call to violence against people with Same Sex Attraction.

Hope this helps,
God Bless,
Poor Knight for Christ and His Church

Maybe you should visit an Anglican Church in Nigeria or any church in Jamaica

 

[Jake_Parker]

Do you believe that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus established?

Yes I do. I was raised and baptized Protestant, but I do believe the Catholic Church is the church established by Jesus. I do however have a boyfriend that I love very much, and I am not breaking up to be a “better Catholic.”

 

[meltzerboy]

Depends on the teaching, really. The teachings that directly attack us are problematic as are some of the lies put forth by mostly protestant hate groups like the Family Research Council. Saying gay people are more likely to molest children, lead to the acceptance of pedophilia, or that we are intrinsically spreaders of disease, for example. Same with the dehumanizing slogans and name calling (again, more from Protestants, though Catholics do it to at times): sodomites, perverts, devils, and so on. The name calling and linking us to ills via bad science and propoganda is designed to make the middle-of-the-road folks want to kill us and those who already dislike us want to kill us even more. Thankfully, the internet has proven especially good at shining a light on these tactics and outing the shysters who peddled it.

Old myths about groups of people die hard. I might also point out that secular people who don’t believe in G-d can be just as bigoted against gay people as people of faith.

 

[PatrickKennedy]

Good question. This was answered by Jesus Christ.

For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’

Except the disciples who left their wives or priests who do none of the above

 

[PRmerger]

Do you consider it disordered to desire any kind of sexual pleasure when one is not married, regardless of sexual orientation?

Not at all.

I do not believe, however, that one should indulge in one’s sexual desires outside of the context of marriage.

As far as your question goes, it is completely orderered and natural to want to have sexual pleasure, whether solo or with a partner. Now obviously, how one acts upon that desire is totally in their control, and thus context is absolutely needed. Concerning adultery, that equals at least one partner cheating on their spouse so that could be a debate about morality. But what about 2 people not married, but still wanting to have romantic, intimate and sexual relations. Do you consider this disordered? Some do not even consider it a sin by the way. So in my opinion, the wanting, or desiring to commit adultery is not disordered at all, but if one acts upon it then a different debate is needed, and neither is related to the topic at hand.

Fair enough.

What about a man having the desire to have sex with a child?

Do you consider that to be a disordered desire?

 

[Rau]

Do you consider it disordered to desire any kind of sexual pleasure when one is not married, regardless of sexual orientation?

…what about 2 people not married, but still wanting to have romantic, intimate and sexual relations. Do you consider this disordered? Some do not even consider it a sin by the way. So in my opinion, the wanting, or desiring to commit adultery is not disordered at all, but if one acts upon it then a different debate is needed, and neither is related to the topic at hand.

To a degree, I can understand why you might question whether fornication is disordered. The (unmarried) man and woman experience a sexual desire, and follow it in a manner consistent with its design. But 2 men in a similar situation though behave in a manner which is evidently lacking. Man’s sexuality by its evident nature and design is made for woman. However, both these acts are disordered. The sexual act of 2 men is “intrinsically” disordered because it it always a wrong act. The sexual act of man and woman is disordered if it is not marital, or not unitive or not procreative.

 

[PRmerger]

Yes I do. I was raised and baptized Protestant, but I do believe the Catholic Church is the church established by Jesus. I do however have a boyfriend that I love very much, and I am not breaking up to be a “better Catholic.”

Do you believe that God would establish a Church that happens to agree with everything you personally believe, Jake?

Or does it seem more true that God makes certain demands of us, and that we have to change our views and conform them to His?

 

[Rau]

Yes I do. I was raised and baptized Protestant, but I do believe the Catholic Church is the church established by Jesus. I do however have a boyfriend that I love very much, and I am not breaking up to be a “better Catholic.”

Who would stand in the way of love? There is no rule against love. There is no sanction for loving another. But one must love appropriately. Sexual relations cannot be an element in the love of one man for another.

 

[StudentMI]

This is the one reason why I still have not officially become Catholic (because I am gay). I have practicing Catholic friends that tell me I should become part of the church anyway, but I struggle with that.

You know, with this and what at9009 said earlier, I’ve decided to drop the shenanigans. I’m gay. I echo what he said, message me if you want.

 

[PRmerger]

You know, with this and what at9009 said earlier, I’ve decided to drop the shenanigans. I’m gay. I echo what he said, message me if you want.

Do you believe that the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus established?

And does it not make sense to you that God would make some demands on us that aren’t consonant with our own desires?

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Yes I do. I was raised and baptized Protestant, but I do believe the Catholic Church is the church established by Jesus. I do however have a boyfriend that I love very much, and I am not breaking up to be a “better Catholic.”

You don’t actually have to break up per se, you just can’t have sex.

 

[StudentMI]

Do you believe that the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus established?

And does it not make sense to you that God would make some demands on us that aren’t consonant with our own desires?

These questions are irrelevant as a response to what I said, so I politely refuse to answer them.

As for your previous post regarding Rosebud’s post, I can’t answer that because that statement is devoid of context. It seems to come in the middle of a discussion between two hypothetical people. I can see even then that it could be somewhat rude as a response, lacking in charity.

 

[PRmerger]

These questions are irrelevant as a response to what I said, so I politely refuse to answer them.

As you wish.

Suffice it to say I think it’s clear it’s a question you’ve not considered before.

I hope, since you are a student, that you will ponder the questions that have been posed to you here.

And I leave you with this:



#truth

 

[StudentMI]

As you wish.

Suffice it to say I think it’s clear it’s a question you’ve not considered before.

I hope, since you are a student, that you will ponder the questions that have been posed to you here.

And I leave you with this:

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#truth

Dude, all I said was I’m gay. Read my profile or my previous posts. Let my orthodoxy speak for itself. I refused to answer your questions because they were designed to side with you in a debate.

 

[PRmerger]

Dude, all I said was I’m gay. Read my profile or my previous posts. Let my orthodoxy speak for itself. I refused to answer your questions because they were designed to side with you in a debate.

Not sure what this has to do with my post, but I am heartened to hear that you have conformed you views to Christ’s.

We are all the same: we have disordered desires. But we are not the sum of our disordered desires.

And it is never in our best interest to indulge in our disordered desires.

 

[Used2beSherryG]

I suppose the message put forth about and toward gay people depends on the denomination and even the parish within each denomination. In addition to potential hatred and, in the extreme, violence toward gay people, one should not overlook those gays who leave their church due to its stand and become gay activists against church teaching, as well as those who become self-loathing as a result. Compassion on the part of church leaders–without sacrificing their faith’s moral principles–can go a long way toward preventing the above.

I don’t quite get your drift in this post. especially the line about “those gays who leave their church due to it’s stand, as well as become self loathing as a result”. Self loathing as a result of exactly WHAT?? Church teaching has not changed in 2,000 years. The myth of Catholics persecuting homosexuals is just that, a myth. Anyone choosing to live out a life of sexual sin is ostracizing themselves from receiving the sacraments, regardless of their sexual orientation. All that is needed, fortunately is confession, repentance, a firm purpose of amendment, IOW, give up the sin and you practice your faith.

 

[Jake_Parker]

I am aware of Church teaching, and that being sexual with a person of the same sex is considered sinful. I could remain in my relationship and not have sex. However, for my boyfriend, he regards sex as the most intimate part of the relationship, so I won’t keep that from him.

The sin in my life that happens to be more perpetual happens to be “Mortal Sin,” so that is why I have decided to not become Catholic. I am in agreement with the majority of Church teaching, I work hard to live according to Biblical commands, and I try to be a loving person to everyone.

 

[o_mlly]

…To “identify” as gay is to subscribe to LGBTQ ideology, which every Pope from John Paul II to Francis has condemned unequivocally. …

One might go back further than St. JPII – to Moses and St. Paul.

"A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God (Deuteronomy 22:5).

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination (Leviticus 18:22).

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, they have committed an abomination; the two of them shall be put to death; their bloodguilt is upon them (Leviticus 20:13).

"Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes* nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9-10).

"Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper (Romans 1:26-28).

 

[Rau]

… I could remain in my relationship and not have sex. However, for my boyfriend, he regards sex as the most intimate part of the relationship, so I won’t keep that from him.

Of course it is intimate. And such intimacy is inappropriate other than in particular circumstances. On this you and I agree I am sure. It seems we disagree on just what circumstances make sexual intimacy appropriate.

 

[Jake_Parker]

Of course it is intimate. And such intimacy is inappropriate other than in particular circumstances. On this you and I agree I am sure. It seems we disagree on just what circumstances make sexual intimacy appropriate.

I know the teaching, and I understand the reasons behind it. I also know this subject has been fiercely debated in the past several years, so I don’t see any reason to give my point-of-view, since I know all the objections to it.