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Chaplain777
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Nice deflection…by all means, you first.
Do Crosses at Catholic U Violate "Human Rights" of Muslim Students?
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miss_myrmidon
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We have to understand that it’s a private school, but clearly they serve people of different faiths, so I don’t see why it’s a problem to remove a cross or crucifix from a room so that the students can worship according to their faith. Wouldn’t a Christian be bothered if they had to worship in, say a room full of pagan images? It’s a matter of common courtesy and respect.
“Honor God by accepting others, as Christ has accepted you”
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“We must stop judging others. We must also make up our minds not to upset anyone’s faith”
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“Honor God by accepting others, as Christ has accepted you”
-Romans 15:17
“We must stop judging others. We must also make up our minds not to upset anyone’s faith”
-Romans 14:13
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Faith1960
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Grrrr. This article makes me mad. 
It’s obvious and simple. If a student doesn’t want to be surrounded by Catholic symbols and photography, don’t go to a Catholic School.
It’s obvious and simple. If a student doesn’t want to be surrounded by Catholic symbols and photography, don’t go to a Catholic School.
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miss_myrmidon
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Okay, but Catholic education/scholarship is widely respected, even by non-Catholics. So it’s not just a matter of faith. I go to a Catholic school and we have a lot of non-Catholic students who attend in order to get a good education. It’s good to have a mix of faiths in school, because it’s a better reflection of the real world, where not everyone is Catholic.Grrrr. This article makes me mad.
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Faith1960
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That’s their choice, but if they make that choice, they need to respect the institution, it’s beliefs and the way it’s set up.
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JReducation
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Who are you angry at?Grrrr. This article makes me mad.
Go back and read This.
The Muslim students have not complained. A law professor from another university has filed the suit. It just happens that this lawyer has a history of finding one lost soul who has an issue or he creates an issue in order to test the laws.
The non-Catholic students at Catholic University are very aware that it’s not just a Catholic university, but that it’s a pontifical university of the Catholic Church. Everyone who gets an application package and a catalog knows that this particular university answers to the USCCB and to the Holy See. There is no secret here. I should know, I attended CUA for eight years.
We always had Muslim students, Jewish students and Protestant students. None of these things were issues until the lawyer popped up on the scene.
I was a graduate student there when the Iran hostage crisis was hot. We had many Iranian students who attended the university. They often approached the Catholic religious who walked around the campus and asked us to pray for them, because they were frightened. While students at other universities were holding hate rallies against the Iranians, the students at Catholic University of America went along as if nothing were happening. One of the beautiful qualities of CUA is its contemplative environment. You can actually hear your footsteps as you walk across campus. That’s because the students get along well. The faculty is diverse and respectful. If they’re hard on anyone, they’re very hard on the religious who attend school there. They are very kind to the lay students of all faiths.
Don’t be angry at the non-Catholics at the university. Be angry at this very strange lawyer.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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Elvis_Guy
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Jolly let em start their own universities!!! I am a Boston College man (Go Eagles) but Muslim students there gripe about C being to Catholic…uh…gee…it’s Jesuit Founded there Abdullah …barbarians…
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Sparticus
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I’d come right back at the Muslims and say they are the ones being intolerant and violating the human rights of Catholics. If they don’t like it give them a refund and they could go to a state-ist college or to “Mecca U.” If their feelings are so fragile.
Plus doesn’t “their” religion teach anything about this. . . . I thought not.
This is just too much. Enough already.
Plus doesn’t “their” religion teach anything about this. . . . I thought not.
This is just too much. Enough already.
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Chaplain777
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See, it’s not hard to understand. Nothing to do with “…citing Islam as a whole…” just a simple statement. Thanks Faith1960, I echo your point of view.
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CEM5
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What??? This has nothing to do with human rights! What about violating the standards of a CATHOLIC university? The Muslims know this is a Catholic university, and they should respect the Catholic rights and standards of this university. If they don’t like the Christian symbols of our faith, then there are plenty of other universities they can attend eslewhere. How dare they??
Christian schools should make any non-Christian (regardless of faith) sign a waiver that should they choose to attend this Christian facility, they MUST abide by the rights of said school, and not try to change its religious standards/modes. If they refuse then they are to be denied entry to this facility. Go somewhere else.
This vexes me, for it appears to me that they are just doing this to prove a point and put their non-Christians standards/beliefs and change the Catholic university to their own ways.
Christians need to stand up for their rights too!!
God be with us,
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Sparticus
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"Originally Posted by Catholic Press
The Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights confirmed that it is investigating allegations that Catholic University violated the human rights of Muslim students by not allowing them to form a Muslim student group and by not providing them rooms without Christian symbols for their daily prayers.
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The Office of Human Rights is actually the Office for the Subversion of Catholic Rights. The office for the advancement of communist, Islamic rights agenda.
The Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights confirmed that it is investigating allegations that Catholic University violated the human rights of Muslim students by not allowing them to form a Muslim student group and by not providing them rooms without Christian symbols for their daily prayers.
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The Office of Human Rights is actually the Office for the Subversion of Catholic Rights. The office for the advancement of communist, Islamic rights agenda.
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Elvis_Guy
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Lol!, Mecca U…nice!!!
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Elvis_Guy
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Right on! Our Church put blood sweat and tears to create our Catholic Ivys…Notre Dame…Boston (go Eagles) …and all the other fine institutions! I don’t care if a Muslim wants to go to our Schools…but…they are always into respect us…it’s a two way street.respect…Muslims in a Catholic system should not boo hoo cause we will not take down crucifixes or complain a Jesuit professor is…wearing a collar!!! Respect is we will give you a good world class education! But don’t play you are offended and ask US to strip our Catholic identity…you jolly knew it was Catholic when you applied…you should thank us for accepting you. Jolly ingrates…ugh
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JReducation
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Why is everyone talking about the Muslims?
The Muslims have nothing to do with this. Read what the University said. This is from a lawyer who is not a Muslim and is not connected to the university.
If we start bad mouthing the Muslims for something that they did not do, then we’re not better than this lawyer who is bad mouthing the Catholics.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
The Muslims have nothing to do with this. Read what the University said. This is from a lawyer who is not a Muslim and is not connected to the university.
If we start bad mouthing the Muslims for something that they did not do, then we’re not better than this lawyer who is bad mouthing the Catholics.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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Ridgerunner
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This is my understanding of the complaint as well. There are two parts to it:
- CU is alleged to have violated the rights of Muslim students who wanted official campus status for their Muslim organization. It was (it is alleged) denied due to CU’s belief that the organization had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
- CU is alleged to have violated the rights of Muslim students by refusing to provide them with a prayer room devoid of Christian symbols, thus making them feel oppressed and discriminated against.
But even if not a single Muslim student has any involvement in this at all, one has to further ask who is paying for this lawyer’s actions? Yes, this lawyer seems to hate Catholicism. I think we know that. But if some Islamic person or group or organization wanted someone to harrass CU, who better to retain to do it?
Personally, I don’t know, nor does anyone here know, whether this goes beyond this lawyer himself. Perhaps in time we will know. But regardless, Catholic U is being put on trial in order to force it to enhance the status of a religion not its own to parity with Catholicism.
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Faith1960
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Okay. I’m grrrrrrrr’ing at him instead.Who are you angry at?
Go back and read This.
The Muslim students have not complained. A law professor from another university has filed the suit. It just happens that this lawyer has a history of finding one lost soul who has an issue or he creates an issue in order to test the laws.
The non-Catholic students at Catholic University are very aware that it’s not just a Catholic university, but that it’s a pontifical university of the Catholic Church. Everyone who gets an application package and a catalog knows that this particular university answers to the USCCB and to the Holy See. There is no secret here. I should know, I attended CUA for eight years.
We always had Muslim students, Jewish students and Protestant students. None of these things were issues until the lawyer popped up on the scene.
I was a graduate student there when the Iran hostage crisis was hot. We had many Iranian students who attended the university. They often approached the Catholic religious who walked around the campus and asked us to pray for them, because they were frightened. While students at other universities were holding hate rallies against the Iranians, the students at Catholic University of America went along as if nothing were happening. One of the beautiful qualities of CUA is its contemplative environment. You can actually hear your footsteps as you walk across campus. That’s because the students get along well. The faculty is diverse and respectful. If they’re hard on anyone, they’re very hard on the religious who attend school there. They are very kind to the lay students of all faiths.
Don’t be angry at the non-Catholics at the university. Be angry at this very strange lawyer.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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Mrs_Sally
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There are plenty of rooms on campus without crucifixes or other religious symbols. It’s just that there aren’t any chapels like that. Since the Muslim students themselves haven’t complained, they are obviously finding somewhere appropriate to pray (and they don’t have to search high and low). I haven’t checked, but there is probably a mosque or other Muslim organization pretty close to campus since CUA is in a highly populated part of DC.
Agree that the lawsuit is silliness.
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Elvis_Guy
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If you read my post…I said nothing about the University/Lawyer situation , I did say at my Alma (Boston College) individual and Muslim student groups have made complaints…thus far I am unaware of any ACLU or other Lawyers…in Europe…in France…there are towns where Muslims have become a powerful voice…to the point of pushing for French laws to line up with the Koran…parts of the Netherlands as well…why do I connect what may seem unrelated issues…it is a fact of Islamic history that when they enter by conquest or breeding, they (when enough power is in place) begin to erode the cultures in which they latch and then “rebuild” as Islamic ethos and culture. As my priest says facts our facts…before you challenge…get some English translated articles from Europe in regard to this…Why is everyone talking about the Muslims?
The Muslims have nothing to do with this. Read what the University said. This is from a lawyer who is not a Muslim and is not connected to the university.
If we start bad mouthing the Muslims for something that they did not do, then we’re not better than this lawyer who is bad mouthing the Catholics.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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JReducation
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This may all be true in other situations, but that’s not the subject of this news article nor is it the case at Catholic University of America. The thread is about the situation at Catholic University. The situation there was not generated by Muslims. It was generated by a lawyer outside of CUA.
To connect what is happening at CUA with what may be happening in other places only muddles the waters. The issue here is how Americans, CUA in particular, should respond to this lawyer or others like him, who bring frivolous suits against our institutions.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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