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It’s not a limitation because it doesn’t say “from the Father alone”, or even imply it. It simply says that the subsistence is from the Father (which is also said in Latin filioquist theology, such as St. Thomas Aquinas’ various works). Also, the “proceeds through the Son” is quite significant, especially if the original word used was ekporousis (I don’t know what word was actually used by St. Basil in this passage); the context at least implies that the original term used was ekporousis, since it’s speaking of the procession from the Father, but I don’t know for sure since I don’t have access to the Greek text.The above passage seems to place this limitation on it. It does not say that the Spirit recieves His subsistence from the Father through the Son but simply that He has it from the Father. It says that He proceeds from the Father through the Son but that doesn’t necessarily indicate the same thing.
Sorry, I figured most people here were pretty familiar with it, since it comes up in every filioque discussion here.Can you supply this passage you are refering to for St. Gregory?
The passage in question is from “Not Three Gods”, and is:
This passage explicitley places the Son within the Personal procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father, and even states that this is required in order to preserve the Son’s “only-Begotteness”. He’s clearly not speaking of manifestation, because he states right out that this is regarding the origin of Persons, and that this is how the Persons are distinguished. If it were merely a matter of manifestation, this would not be a manner of distinguishing Divine Persons from the common Divine Nature, since manifestation is “after” (not in time, but logically speaking) such a distinction, and St. Gregory makes it clear that he’s talking about the distinction of Persons themselves.…while we confess the invariable character of the nature, we do not deny the difference in respect of cause, and that which is caused, by which alone we apprehend that one Person is distinguished from another;— by our belief, that is, that one is the Cause, and another is of the Cause; and again in that which is of the Cause we recognize another distinction. For one is directly from the first Cause, and another by that which is directly from the first Cause; so that the attribute of being Only-begotten abides without doubt in the Son, and the interposition of the Son, while it guards His attribute of being Only-begotten, does not shut out the Spirit from His relation by way of nature to the Father.
Peace and God bless!