Do Faeries exist?

[CatsAndDogs]

No he repented that he even made the world. Who knows the real stories, the Bible was passed down by word of mouth until they started recording it & some of it may be written down wrong,

Gen-6:5-8 -

5 When the LORD saw how great was man’s wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his heart conceived was ever anything but evil,
6 he regretted that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was grieved.
7 So the LORD said: “I will wipe out from the earth the men whom I have created, and not only the men, but also the beasts and the creeping things and the birds of the air, for I am sorry that I made them.”
8 But Noah found favor with the LORD.

God was sorry that He’d made them, but not that He’d made Noah, which means that He was not “unmaking” the world, but only “pruning” the world.

To prune a vine is not to destroy (unmake) a vine.

 

[Methodi]

Gen-6:5-8 -

5 When the LORD saw how great was man’s wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his heart conceived was ever anything but evil,
6 he regretted that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was grieved.
7 So the LORD said: “I will wipe out from the earth the men whom I have created, and not only the men, but also the beasts and the creeping things and the birds of the air, for I am sorry that I made them.”
8 But Noah found favor with the LORD.

God was sorry that He’d made them, but not that He’d made Noah, which means that He was not “unmaking” the world, but only “pruning” the world.

To prune a vine is not to destroy (unmake) a vine.

some say the noahs ark story isnt true, what do U say?

 

[SFTor]

No. Fairies are demons. Period.

Though, sometimes, they are “hijacked” for short periods of (human) time by angels. But that is a rare occurrence.

Catsanddogs:

are you for real?

Fairies are demons? Would you please get your head out of your proverbial Medieval behind, and labor to reach some level of intellectual self-criticism? Please?

What other hilarious beliefs do you harbor? Don’t hold back, we all need a good laugh these days.

Best,

Tor

 

[SFTor]

No. Fairies are demons. Period.

Though, sometimes, they are “hijacked” for short periods of (human) time by angels. But that is a rare occurrence.

Here are some others you can add to your little secret closet:

The Draug: covered in kelp. Lives in the sea. Eats sailors, in the gastronomical sense.

The Nøkk: lives in the bog. Ugly as you can’t imagine. Eats horses and the men who travel on them. Very sharp and pointy teeth.

The Hulder: A beautiful young woman sporting a cow’s tail. Lures you in and locks you inside her mountain lair. Only recommended for serious bondage aficionados.

The Fossegrim: Lives in the waterfall, and snatches you when you bathe in the pool below. Your withered bones will be found years later, washed up on the riverbank, covered in snails and maggots.

The Troll: usually reported to sprout three heads. Very covetous of gold and human flesh. Poor cooking skills, but excellent with spreadsheets.

The, the,…want more? Be afraid, be very afraid.

Best,

tor

 

[Equites_Christi]

SFTor:

Sorry, but 'round these parts we don’t consider “Your beliefs are stupid” to be a valid argument. We have discussions with minimum ad-homs.

God Bless

 

[SFTor]

SFTor:

Sorry, but 'round these parts we don’t consider “Your beliefs are stupid” to be a valid argument. We have discussions with minimum ad-homs.

God Bless

For crying out loud, Equites,

you mean to say that there is no self-policed, minimal requirement of intellectual validity and integrity to discussions on CAF? I find that very hard to believe.

When something clearly is insipid beyond question it must be permissible to point it out. AND it must be allowed to criticize the advocate of such beliefs for being seriously out of date.

Let me ask you, Equites: do you see any validity to this idea that fairies are demons, or that they exist in the first place? Does it belong anywhere in your belief system?

I would appreciate a straight answer, please.

Best,

Tor

p.s. To the best of my judgment this thread was started to bring faith in a god into question by comparing it to belief in fairies. Now people are discussing fairies as if they can be picked up at the pet store.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

some say the noahs ark story isnt true, what do U say?

Well, if God says it’s true, and I’ve pledged to believe what God says as always being true, then it’s rather got to be true, doesn’t it?

Sew, eye sae it iz ay trew storee!

Wa du ewe sae?

 

[SFTor]

Well, if God says it’s true, and I’ve pledged to believe what God says as always being true, then it’s rather got to be true, doesn’t it?

Sew, eye sae it iz ay trew storee!

Wa du ewe sae?

Catsanddogs,

just for argument’s sake: have you found references to fairies in the Bible? Or are you just omnivorous when it comes to mythology?

Best,

Tor

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CatsAndDogs View Post
No. Fairies are demons. Period.

Though, sometimes, they are “hijacked” for short periods of (human) time by angels. But that is a rare occurrence.

Catsanddogs:

are you for real?

Fairies are demons? Would you please get your head out of your proverbial Medieval behind, and labor to reach some level of intellectual self-criticism? Please?

What other hilarious beliefs do you harbor? Don’t hold back, we all need a good laugh these days.

Apparently you don’t know too much about demons.

I very definitely DO harbor some truly hilarious beliefs, but none of those have I gotten from the Church.

One of the most hilarious of my beliefs is that people who think I have a “medieval behind”, proverbial or otherwise, haven’t SEEN my behind, as it is SO un-medieval, being, unfortunately, MUCH too much on the post-modern side, and really should only be commented about in public (or in fori such as this) by people who wish to embarrass themselves no end (pardon the pun).

Meanwhile, back to our regularly scheduled thread postings…

 

[SFTor]

Apparently you don’t know too much about demons.

I very definitely DO harbor some truly hilarious beliefs, but none of those have I gotten from the Church.

One of the most hilarious of my beliefs is that people who think I have a “medieval behind”, proverbial or otherwise, haven’t SEEN my behind, as it is SO un-medieval, being, unfortunately, MUCH too much on the post-modern side, and really should only be commented about in public (or in fori such as this) by people who wish to embarrass themselves no end (pardon the pun).

Meanwhile, back to our regularly scheduled thread postings…

I am still flummoxed beyond description. If I promise to refrain from commenting on your behind, could you please explain to me what makes you the demonologist-in-residence around this forum?

Don’t you have a priest or something to go to who can bring your beliefs into some kind of mainstream respectability?

Although I would still have plenty of argument with you I would at least consider you to be on the right side of the asylum fence.

Best,

Tor

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Catsanddogs,

just for argument’s sake: have you found references to fairies in the Bible? Or are you just omnivorous when it comes to mythology?

Best,

Tor

“Fairies” are what people see when they are being “tempted” into being fearful of things that God says they shouldn’t be fearful of.

Demons latch onto these “masks”, these little “idols” that we create to put a “face” on our fears, and manipulate us, via trickery, treachery, deceit and temptation into being un-Godly by (one way or another) “paying them off” so they’ll leave us (relatively) alone.

Different cultures call these “masks” different things, but they DO actually exist, are ubiquitous throughout the peopled world(s), and are “cured” only by an understanding of God and His Church.

 

[SFTor]

“Fairies” are what people see when they are being “tempted” into being fearful of things that God says they shouldn’t be fearful of.

Demons latch onto these “masks”, these little “idols” that we create to put a “face” on our fears, and manipulate us, via trickery, treachery, deceit and temptation into being un-Godly by (one way or another) “paying them off” so they’ll leave us (relatively) alone.

Different cultures call these “masks” different things, but they DO actually exist, are ubiquitous throughout the peopled world(s), and are “cured” only by an understanding of God and His Church.

CatsAndDogs,

This is some pretty novel theology, demonology, and fairieology.

Your comment stands head and shoulders above most New Age nonsense I hear these days, and that is saying something. Try your theory on your local priest, watch him blanch, and see how many Our Fathers you have to recite in a small enclosure afterwards.

Best,

Tor

 

[CatsAndDogs]

CatsAndDogs,

This is some pretty novel theology, demonology, and fairieology.

Your comment stands head and shoulders above most New Age nonsense I hear these days, and that is saying something. Try your theory on your local priest, watch him blanch, and see how many Our Fathers you have to recite in a small enclosure afterwards.

Best,

Tor

You’re funny, Tor.

My “demonology” is pretty standard stuff, actually.

The whole point of the demons is that they take our fear-based creations, our “hallucinations due to mistrust in God”, and use them as they are made to be used.

A “Priest” who doesn’t believe in demons isn’t a Priest.

 

[Swan]

“Demon” is the term applied by the Hebrews to the gods worshipped by the pagans (i.e., those who didn’t agree with their idea there there was only one, supreme “God”) and it continued into Christian use. For pagans, these entities are still gods. Some don’t believe in the Judeo/Christian “God” at all and I think some believe that the J/C “God” is just another of the many gods who wants it all. It just depends on what belief system you buy into - IOW, it’s semantics based on faith, or lack thereof (it just all boils down to faith - no matter how many verses you quote, or from what book). This is all, of course, IMHO.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Say WHAT?

**Come to thinkof it, maybe I should with =draw that Consider it withdrawn **​

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Why is that?

Neither is possible to prove or disprove. They both profess a belief in the existence of a supernatural being that one cannot experience with the senses.

The difference is, that the little green fellow who causes milk to turn in the fridge is not numinous. The Supreme Being, is numinous.​

It’s the difference between:

• there is a Divine Being in the next room
• there is a ghost in the next room
• there is an Elf in the next room
• there is a Martian in the next room
• there is a giant in the next room
• there is a man-eating tiger in the next room
  **All are alarming in one way or another - some for what they are, not all because they clearly dangerous. The DB is alone numinous. **

**The LGF, OTOH, is more homely - unpredictable maybe, perhaps not always benign even; but not numinous either. There are usually rules of some sort for behaving with LGFs & their kind: such as never keeping an eye on them. DBs OTOH are too big to handle in that way. **

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

“Demon” is the term applied by the Hebrews to the gods worshipped by the pagans (i.e., those who didn’t agree with their idea there there was only one, supreme “God”) and it continued into Christian use. For pagans, these entities are still gods. Some don’t believe in the Judeo/Christian “God” at all and I think some believe that the J/C “God” is just another of the many gods who wants it all. It just depends on what belief system you buy into - IOW, it’s semantics based on faith, or lack thereof (it just all boils down to faith - no matter how many verses you quote, or from what book). This is all, of course, IMHO.

There is no reason not to believe in the ancient gods that is not also a difficulty for belief in the J/C god. The Jewish idea that Jehovah was in charge when they were carted off to Babylon in 586 BC would have been laughable to their captors, who could have pointed out - & maybe did point out - that Marduk their own god had proved his greatness yet again, by punishing kings who had made solemn treaties with his servant Nebuchadrezzar, & proved unfaithful to them. Marduk was the winner then; the Jewish accounts that say othewise are just making the best of an impossible situation.​

Gods, in the nature of the case, can never be disproved; only discredited. Nothing lasts, so one day the J/C god will be as exploded as Marduk or Zeus are now. And they may come to be believed in again; there is nothing to prevent this.

Monotheism’s great flaw is that if the One God fails, there ain’t no other gods left to try. The Christian OG has to cope with further problems:

• He’s had about 2000 years of worship, & their overall result has been distinctly ambiguous, to put it no more strongly.
• Immense claims are made for Him, & they don’t match real life: an Omnipotent Saviour God would have been more than welcome at Belsen. But all that happened was more Nazi genocide. If Harvey the Omnipotent & Omnibenevolent Sky-Bunny doesn’t produce the goods as promised, maybe it’s because he can’t. The moral ? Don’t paint God into a corner by over-describing Him in terms that are then made into dogmas.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Catsanddogs,

just for argument’s sake: have you found references to fairies in the Bible? Or are you just omnivorous when it comes to mythology?

Best,

Tor

The water-spirit with whom Jacob wrestles at the Ford of Jabbok comes close.​

The W-S is a bit like a sort of Hebraic water-horse - an unpleasant Scottish variety of shape-shifter which turns into a handsome young man, attaches himself to an unsuspecting girl, goes home with her, gets her to comb his hair in her lap, turns back into his native equine form, & drags her beneath the waters of the loch he came from.

Do not confuse water-horses with selkies: they are female, equally full of pulchritude, but not murderous. They turn from being seals into beautiful girls provided their prospective husbands can get hold of their sealskins, without which the selkies cannot return to the waters.

 

[Leela]

Hi All,

As a philosphical pragmatist, I take the perspective that a belief is to be understood in terms of the real consequences of holding that belief. What are the consequences of believing in faeries? How does one behave who believes in them compared to one who does not? (This is really a question about God, right?)

Best,
Leela

 

[cpayne]

The religious consensus seems to be that faeries do indeed exist or are at least highly possible, owing to a god’s powers.

That’s pretty interesting, but not unexpected.

Well, I’d put it a different way: Christians do not have non-supernaturalist presuppositions, presuppositions which would block most contact with the supernatural, should it (or He) exist.

I don’t believe in faeries. They are, however, at least as plausible as giraffes or coelacanths (if we think of faeries as material entities). If we think of them as non-material entities which may assume visible embodiment, my attitude is: Haven’t seen one. Yet.