do islam promote killing of innocent?

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ahmadhassan said:
ignored for not giving proofs
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what a laugh. I mention that no proof of muslims denouncing specific atrocities by muslims against non-muslims has been presented and i get ignored fro no proof.

no one has ever presented evidence of central authority or even council type agreement on doctrine and because i point that i am ignored for no proof. you can’t prove a negative. Bu tyou sure made my point for me here for all to see.

Muslims see nothing wrong with killing, raping or enslaving non-muslims because they don’t consider them innocent. My proof is 9/11, palestine, Israel, Syria, Iran, then netherlands, UK and france. just look and see for yourself. listen to what the muslims themselves say. it’s obvious.
 
ahmadhassan said:
atheists say that christ wasnt exist ,will you believe me or you will need proof? proof is what determine what is true and what is not ,every word we say need proof or its nothing ,
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Athiests say there is no God, is that proof that there is no God.
 
ahmadhassan said:
i can but i will not its not our topic 🙂
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Yes it is off topic. But I can guarentee to you that you will not be able to convince athiests that God exists and that Muhammad is his messenger. You will be convinced yourself that you proved it, they will only shake their heads at your religious nonsense.
 
BelFarfalla said:
Yes it is off topic. But I can guarentee to you that you will not be able to convince athiests that God exists and that Muhammad is his messenger. You will be convinced yourself that you proved it, they will only shake their heads at your religious nonsense.
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it seems that you need help with atheists about their questions ,
did they asked you the golden question (i know answer of it 😃 but i will not tell you if you didnt open a new thread about it 🙂 }
the golden Q is >>>can god create a rock that he cant carry?😉
 
proof:

opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009890

jihadwatch.org/archives/016905.php

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

socialissues.wiseto.com/Articles/FO3020630225/

particularly horrifying:

The Islamic legal manual ‘Umdat al-Salik, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, stipulates: “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.” Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors. The Qur’an permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls: “Forbidden to you are … married women, except those whom you own as slaves” (Sura 4:23-24).

thetenoclockscholar.blogspot.com/2005/02/islam-encourages-rape-and-slavery_21.html

newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/11/13/70656.shtml

I could go on and on but you get the point. just look at what Hamas is doing in palestine…all because fatah was trying to make peace with israel…AFTER Israel had given up substantial land so that palestine could exist.
 
ahmadhassan said:
here is someone agree with me ,there is always a need to a proof ,thanx man 👍
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I am afraid that I can’t make sense out of most of what you are saying.

From what I have seen so far, you only except something as proof it is written in the Quran.
 
majick275 said:
proof:

opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009890

jihadwatch.org/archives/016905.php

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

socialissues.wiseto.com/Articles/FO3020630225/

particularly horrifying:

The Islamic legal manual ‘Umdat al-Salik, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, stipulates: “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.” Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors. The Qur’an permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls: “Forbidden to you are … married women, except those whom you own as slaves” (Sura 4:23-24).

thetenoclockscholar.blogspot.com/2005/02/islam-encourages-rape-and-slavery_21.html

newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/11/13/70656.shtml

I could go on and on but you get the point. just look at what Hamas is doing in palestine…all because fatah was trying to make peace with israel…AFTER Israel had given up substantial land so that palestine could exist.
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first ,captive rule is present in abrahamic religions islam,christianityand judaism
second check history if palestine to see that it belong to arab (whom mostly became muslims)🙂
 
my proof here
Numbers 31: 7-18 :

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
 
ahmadhassan said:
it seems that you need help with atheists about their questions ,
did they asked you the golden question (i know answer of it but i will not tell you if you didnt open a new thread about it }
the golden Q is >>>can god create a rock that he cant carry?
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No I don’t need any help with atheists and their questions.
You think that question will prove anything to an atheist? Lol
First you have to prove that there is a god to create and carry the rock.
 
ahmadhassan said:
my proof here
Numbers 31: 7-18 :

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
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God did not command the Muslims to kill anyone. You cannot go back to the early OT and use that as proof that Muhammad and the right for anything.
 
ahmadhassan said:
first ,captive rule is present in abrahamic religions islam,christianityand judaism
second check history if palestine to see that it belong to arab (whom mostly became muslims)🙂
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captive rule is only present in islam today. where is your proof?

anyway …captive rule is extremely evil. your defense of it proves my point once again.
 
ahmadhassan said:
first ,captive rule is present in abrahamic religions islam,christianityand judaism
second check history if palestine to see that it belong to arab (whom mostly became muslims)🙂
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When backed into a corner, use a tu quoque argument. :rolleyes:
 
majick275 said:
captive rule is only present in islam today. where is your proof?

anyway …captive rule is extremely evil. your defense of it proves my point once again.
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can you tell us when captive rule is used? i think you will not ,here i tell you that captive rule is used in case of war 🙂
 
because of jihad, everything that isn’t islam is at war with islam.
I really don’t care if you “only” use the captive rule in war since everything is a war. Even then it’s evil and wrong. Palestine was created by the British who had taken possession, along with the french, of much of the middle east and arbitrarily created multiple nations. If you want to talk of the rightful owners you will have a difficult time as wars and conquest have determined the owners for thousands of years. can you trace the owners of lands back to adam and eve? of course not. Jews claim through scripture that God gave them Israel. Do you believe that? What is the Arab claim to Palestine? in any case, Israel didn’t have to give ANY of the land back but they did anyway. Look what happened. Palestinians are not fighting each other over those lands because Hamas can’t stand the thought of peace with israel. what are the rest of the arabs saying and doing? it just seems it’s always war and that makes it okay to rape and kill and enslave.

Proof:

warriorsfortruth.com/slavery-sudan-islamic-fundamentalists.html

news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/features/article_1315403.php/Fierce_debate_between_Lutherans_and_Muslims_in_Germany

americanthinker.com/2005/08/ill_legal_jihad_in_the_quran_a_1.html

prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_19_Islams_Holocaust.Islam

particularly revealing :

truthandgrace.com/muslimrape.htm

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1214617/posts

the fact that you keep trying to justify this behavior and have yet to show one single example (even your own) of Muslims denouncing specific atrocities by muslims against non-muslims proves my point that Islam does in fact promote the killing (and rape and enslavement) of the innocent by declaring all of the victims guilty and deserving of these disgusting acts.
 
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