Do LDS baptize converts immediately?

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I am sorry Stephen, you are really just not being fair here. At some point, all of us rely on faith to justify our belief. While Mormon’s will “testify” that they “know” something is true, the honest truth is that none of us can Know (with a capital K!). We take what we have learned from our life experiences and scripture and come to the best conclusions that we can come to.

If your point is that more time should be taken to really study and pray, then I totally concede that to you. I actually joined the LDS church under the old system which generally required 6 weeks with a lesson each week, then baptism. Even that is very short for a life altering decision I think.
 
I spent a lot of time in your position, explaining and not defending and having to preemptively disclaimer that it was only an explanation not a defense. Obviously, eventually, I found too many things untenable and left. That said, your last two sentences hit me in the feels. I’ve been in that uncomfortable spot and empathize.
You weren’t married in the temple when you left the LDS church. =) If I left the church, and had my name withdrawn from the records, according to LDS belief, that would invalidate all ordinances (the LDS word for sacraments) including my marriage to my most wonderful wife who I adore. To her, it would be the equivalent of divorcing her, and I can’t do that to her. =)
 
Wow. Nice dig on RCIA.

Each parish handles RCIA differently. The parish where I was baptized runs RCIA year round and generally holds baptisms for adults twice a year. The nice thing about being in a group of catechumens going through the process together was that I was able to develop friendships along the way. I was not alone on my journey. I had people I could talk to about good and bad experiences I was having. I was able to find people who have gone through similar struggles as I have and we are able to support each other. I have not seen very many LDS wards who were very good at welcoming and integrating new converts unless the convert already had some kind of relationship with ward members. At the Easter Vigil, we were able to celebrate together as we were welcomed into the communion of the faithful.

I will also add that in RCIA, we talked about the good, the bad and the ugly. We talked about history. We talked about controversial issues such as birth control and abortion.

There are many things that LDS missionaries will not discuss or bring up with investigators unless the investigator brings it up himself. When will the essays be added to the Preach My Gospel manual?
I went through the RCIA process and I absolutely love the way the Catholic Church handles potential new members. I would have chosen to be confirmed quicker if that option was available but it wasn’t and I learned patience, obedience and had the time to meet many quality individuals and hear their ideas because of it. I wouldn’t change my experience for the world.

As for LSD there is a reason the Church does not consider it a Christian denomination and will not recognize it’s member’s baptisms should they choose to convert.
 
You weren’t married in the temple when you left the LDS church. =) If I left the church, and had my name withdrawn from the records, according to LDS belief, that would invalidate all ordinances (the LDS word for sacraments) including my marriage to my most wonderful wife who I adore. To her, it would be the equivalent of divorcing her, and I can’t do that to her. =)
Yes, I was. I was temple married (San Diego Temple) and a recommend holder for 10 years before I left. I empathize. I know what it is like to stand in that position all to well.
 
I went through the RCIA process and I absolutely love the way the Catholic Church handles potential new members. I would have chosen to be confirmed quicker if that option was available but it wasn’t and I learned patience, obedience and had the time to meet many quality individuals and hear their ideas because of it. I wouldn’t change my experience for the world.

As for LSD there is a reason the Church does not consider it a Christian denomination and will not recognize it’s member’s baptisms should they choose to convert.
Actually, they do accept the baptism, mine has been accepted as have several others at the parish I attend… It is done in the trinitarian formula and thus considered as valid a baptism as protestant baptisms done in the trinitarian formula.
 
You weren’t married in the temple when you left the LDS church. =) If I left the church, and had my name withdrawn from the records, according to LDS belief, that would invalidate all ordinances (the LDS word for sacraments) including my marriage to my most wonderful wife who I adore. To her, it would be the equivalent of divorcing her, and I can’t do that to her. =)
Since all states actually are the holders of authority regarding marriage…, you leaving your church will have no affect on the legality of your marriage. However, if your wife is not in the same frame of mind as you are I could see how this would a concern for you.
 
Yes, I was. I was temple married (San Diego Temple) and a recommend holder for 10 years before I left. I empathize. I know what it is like to stand in that position all to well.
I apologize. I mistook you for someone else who I read had left the church but had never married. I sincerely apologize, and thank you for your empathy. Pray for me and my family.
Actually, they do accept the baptism, mine has been accepted as have several others at the parish I attend… It is done in the trinitarian formula and thus considered as valid a baptism as protestant baptisms done in the trinitarian formula.
I don’t know why your baptism was accepted, but it was not supposed to be.

catholic.com/quickquestions/why-doesnt-the-catholic-church-accept-mormon-baptism

Everything that I have read has stated that Catholics do not believe Mormon baptisms to be valid because they are not trinitarians. It will be interesting one day explaining to a priest that when I baptised my children, I had a correct understanding of the Trinity. =) I don’t even know how that will go…
 
Actually, they do accept the baptism, mine has been accepted as have several others at the parish I attend… It is done in the trinitarian formula and thus considered as valid a baptism as protestant baptisms done in the trinitarian formula.
That’s interesting…as mentioned, LDS baptisms are not accepted by the Catholic Church. RebeccaJ and others involved with RCIA may have more info, but from what I understand, they were accepted for a time (perhaps because it was just assumed that LDS were just another Protestant Trinitarian denomination), then LDS converts began to be “conditionally” baptized, to the current stance, where LDS baptisms are not accepted as valid.

Perhaps you should talk to your priest about this further (again, I think RebeccaJ and twopekingguys would know more about this type of situation).

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010605_battesimo_mormoni_en.html
 
Actually, they do accept the baptism, mine has been accepted as have several others at the parish I attend… It is done in the trinitarian formula and thus considered as valid a baptism as protestant baptisms done in the trinitarian formula.
You may be mistaken on this. I’ve worked on RCIA teams and my role was the person to get the documents in order. We have list of the churches whose baptisms are considered valid and the LDS isn’t on the list. To meet the standard for acceptance it must have the correct form & matter, which it does but must also be trinitarian, which it isn’t. I believe there is also some issues of the LDS baptism not meaning the same as a Christian trinitarian one.

I can’t think that matter would be a local or regional thing. One either was baptized validity or not, no grey area there.
 
Everything that I have read has stated that Catholics do not believe Mormon baptisms to be valid because they are not trinitarians. It will be interesting one day explaining to a priest that when I baptised my children, I had a correct understanding of the Trinity. =) I don’t even know how that will go…
CanonLaw said:
§2. Those baptized in a non-Catholic ecclesial community must not be baptized conditionally unless, after an examination of the matter and the form of the words used in the conferral of baptism and a consideration of the intention of the baptized adult and the minister of the baptism, a serious reason exists to doubt the validity of the baptism.

Yes it will be interesting:)
 
Rebecca, I have explained it to you. Read what I have written and search your heart. In the context of my above statement I care not what religion you are. Conversion comes through the Holy Ghost.

Why do you refuse to see? I am talking about the heart of Christ’s message, even the Spirit! That which giveth light and understanding to man. It has not been hid in a corner. It is not a whimsical emotion. It is the very thing which leads the sincere seeker to the truth. It can no more be ignored in this discussion on conversion and baptism then can a person ignore the need for air to live. It is life blood of the gospel message.
Do you think a pseudo Early Middle English gives more meaning to your post?

You are speaking nonsense, and I have to wonder if you are high.
 
Yes it will be interesting:)
Well, there was no baptised adult… The ministering official would be me, and I have a very catholic trinitarian belief… I am no polytheist. The form and words are certainly acceptable.

I am really just dreaming really, the odds of seeing my children baptised catholics is awfully slim. =)
 
Actually, they do accept the baptism, mine has been accepted as have several others at the parish I attend… It is done in the trinitarian formula and thus considered as valid a baptism as protestant baptisms done in the trinitarian formula.
No, LDS baptisms are not valid.
 
This will be interesting, I’ll speak to him at the earliest opportunity. I had to present my certificate of baptism when I spoke to the deacon and got my RICA class Formation info together. No one said a thing about it then or after. I’ll make sure to point this information out and ask for clarification.
 
This will be interesting, I’ll speak to him at the earliest opportunity. I had to present my certificate of baptism when I spoke to the deacon and got my RICA class Formation info together. No one said a thing about it then or after. I’ll make sure to point this information out and ask for clarification.
Your Bishop should already be aware of this, and ultimately it is he who accepts (gives permission) for your request for the sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation and Eucharist, at the Rite of Election (during Lent).

But yeah, bring it up, with your Deacon or Priest.
 
Do you think a pseudo Early Middle English gives more meaning to your post?

You are speaking nonsense, and I have to wonder if you are high.
Rebecca, I’m sorry you do not understand my words. I have tried to speak as plain as word can be. But the things of the spirit are understood by the spirit and in no other way. Also, if I quote scripture in what I say I will not apologize for it. They are in my head and the words of scripture are spirit and they are life.

It appears the days are indeed upon us of which Amos spoke, “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, That I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord” (Amos 8:11). It matters not if the words come from the Bible or the Book of Mormon. It appears one is outright rejected without a thought and the other is explained away.

In a like manner you will reject these words: “But the hour cometh, and now is when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him. For unto such hath God promised his Spirit, And they who worship him, must worship him in spirit and in truth” (John 4:23-24 Joseph Smith Translation).
 
Rebecca, I’m sorry you do not understand my words. I have tried to speak as plain as word can be. But the things of the spirit are understood by the spirit and in no other way. Also, if I quote scripture in what I say I will not apologize for it. They are in my head and the words of scripture are spirit and they are life.

It appears the days are indeed upon us of which Amos spoke, “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, That I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord” (Amos 8:11). It matters not if the words come from the Bible or the Book of Mormon. It appears one is outright rejected without a thought and the other is explained away.

In a like manner you will reject these words: “But the hour cometh, and now is when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him. For unto such hath God promised his Spirit, And they who worship him, must worship him in spirit and in truth” (John 4:23-24 Joseph Smith Translation).
After hundreds of words you have not been able to tell how you know it is the Holy Ghost talking to you and not a warm feeling, or the devil himself.
No Mormon has been able to do so. I’ll have to give you create for being the only one to try. But in the end it is just incoherent ramblings, so far.
 
Ok folk, I am an active Mormon, but not a believer in Mormonism. Please understand my purpose here is to give accurate information, not to defend Mormon beliefs.

It is very commonly said in the LDS church that the purpose of plural eternal marriage (plural marriage in heaven) is to provide women with husbands and the chance for eternal families in heaven. This is necessary (according to popular LDS thought and teachings, if not strictly doctrine) because women are generally more righteous than men, and more women (by a lot) than men with merit admittance to the celestial kingdom (the highest plane of heaven in LDS doctrine).

I ought to mention that according to LDS doctrine, to achieve admittance to the celestial kingdom, a man REQUIRES a wife and a woman REQUIRES a husband. There is no admittance in the singular. And because more women will be righteous enough to gain admittance, they will require husbands, hence plural marriage in heaven.

Again, not defending it, explaining it. Please don’t jump down my throat.
Thank you for providing a clear explanation. It is important for the truth to be told. The truth is shocking enough.
 
They are treated very much like that. They are expected to be homemakers. While publicly they encourage women to pursue their desires (such as being a professional or a homemaker ) in practice they discouraged from pursuing anything other than being a homemaker. I have seen women shamed and guilted for wanting to have a career. Also, since there is so much pressure on becoming “exalted” women often go to college, not for education, but for what they call at BYU and the wider LDS community - and “MRS” degree. So yes, women are seen as commodities to marry, bare children, and to keep the home. Weather or not they desire a monogamous marriage marriage for “time and all eternity” (as the temple vows state) is of no concern.
This is absolutely the truth. I was one of those girls who wanted to go to college, have a career and see the world. Despite the heavy pressure to only pursue marriage in the Young Women program, it was never something I wanted. I hated Young Women activities because they were all focused on crafts and homemaking skills. I would have much preferred the Young Men activities because they did fun stuff like learn how to change the oil of a car.

I did go to BYU (much to my very Mormon mother’s relief), but not to find a husband. I wanted an education. The only reason why I went to BYU is because they gave me a 4 year full tuition scholarship. The University of Texas didn’t. 😦 My mother and Young Women leaders kept talking about how great it would be when I find a worthy return missionary to marry during my time at BYU. Barf. I still wasn’t really interested in boys. I got a degree in a competitive program and experienced backlash from men who thought that I had no place in that program because I was only going to stay home as a wife and mother. My spot in the program should have gone to a man who was going to support a family. I was even asked what was wrong with me because I was a woman pursuing a professional degree, unmarried and didn’t go on a mission. Yes, some of the men actually had the gall to say such things to me.

Because I was smart, independent, stubborn and opinionated, the men at BYU were never particularly interested in dating me. All of my dates were the result of me doing the asking or a friend setting me up. When I graduated and started my career (someone had to pay my bills), I had a similar experience in the Young Single Adult wards I attended. It didn’t take long before I was an old maid anyway. My non-Mormon male co-workers were all shocked and surprised that I attended church with 200+ young singles with a pretty equal gender ratio and never had a date much less a boyfriend. They certainly saw value in me as a person and thought I was a “worthy” romantic partner, but the “righteous” priesthood holders who supposedly knew my worth as a “daughter of God” did not. Ironic, huh?

The reality is that the doctrine of polygamy (even if it is technically not practiced) is damaging to women. It objectifies us and turns us into a commodity to be bought and sold. Just ask Heber C. Kimball. I was never able to reconcile being taught that I was a beloved daughter of God equal in dignity before Heavenly Father but that plural marriage is a doctrine of the LDS church and practiced in the celestial kingdom (because there will be so many more women than men there).

The doctrine of polygamy denies the inherent dignity of women. It just does. Women cannot have equal dignity to men if plural marriage is a doctrine of God.

The very thought of polygamy always made me feel nauseous. As I got older in the YSA community, I felt more and more depressed and my self-esteem suffered quite a bit. I never thought I was going to get married in this life. I thought the only way I would marry a “worthy priesthood holder” would be after death in the celestial kingdom where I would be one of many women assigned to a husband. How romantic is that?
 
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