Why would this be a problem with the Trinity? Remember, the Trinity teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct (i.e. separate) Persons, therefore of course Jesus did not send Himself, nor did He pray to Himself, etc.
Why did you change your name?
I agree that the truth of Mormonism hinges on the truthfulness of the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith. The question is how do you determine that.
I think you are confusing a lot of stuff here. Mormons actually believe in a limited version of “sola scriptura”. The difference is that we have more of what you call “scripture”. You are basing you statement on a false premise—the assumption that the Bible is the only thing that can be called scripture. That is like a Jew claiming that the Old Testament is the only thing that can be called scripture. That is just not logical. The question is not between “sola scriptura” vs. “non-sola scriptura”. The question is whether the Book of Mormon is true scripture or is not true scripture.
Please slow down, and we can discuss and debate these things in an orderly fashion. First of all, please post the official LDS position on Biblical revelation in regards to the Bible translations that we have today? How trustworthy is the Bible today as compared to Mormon sources of revelation? Which source is more trustworthy, the Bible or the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price? Since we are both guests on this wonderful Catholic Christian Forum site, how trustworthy is Catholic Sacred Tradition as compared to Mormon revelation? We must first define what we believe is the best source of revelation from above. For myself, the best source of divine revelation is the Holy Bible. And for you, what is the best source of divine revelation from above? After that, we can continue this wonderful thread.
I think Catholics can and should respond with our shared historic creeds, written in defense of hersey.Why did you change your name?
When the trinity is discussed it seems that mormons and catholics have a minor disagreement. And I am not sure if most catholics understand the nature of the trinity outside of saying that it is a mystery.
But since mormons and catholics believe the trinity to consist of three distinct persons, I do believe that they should discuss the agreement more than the disagreement about the nature of the trinity.
There is a infinite difference between Catholic Christianity and Mormonism in regards to Scripture (Holy Bible). The Catholic Church has an extremely high view of the Holy Scriptures, and the Mormon Church has an extremely low view of the Holy Bible (translations in our possession). Catholics and Protestants share our trustworthiness of written revelation from above known as the Holy Bible; we both have extremely high views of the Scriptures.
If you want to post nonsensical garbage like that I have nothing further to say to you. I am here to engage in intelligent discussion, not to reply to a load of worthless trash.
That’s not garbage my friend, but the truth. The LDS Church teaches that the Book of Mormon is the most truthful book that we have from above. The Bible to a Mormon is only as true as it is correctly translated (which makes Scripture untrustworthy) and understood by the Mormon Church. The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, etc will always drive your understanding of the Scriptures, leaving you outside of Orthodox historic Christianity. That is the Mormon Faith. There is no apostasy; therefore, there is no need of a radical restoration through the Mormon Church.
Mormonism is true; Catholicism is honorable; Calvinism is an abomination. I suggest you stick to the defense of your own corrupted version of “Christianity” which needs it most, and let Catholics take care of themselves. They do a good job of that without help from you.
I’m not a Calvinist in the way that you use it. I’m a Christian first, and Evangelical second, and a Calvinist a distant 3rd. The only real label that matters is the first (Christian). Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, and Anglicans makeup the body of Christ in which Jesus Christ is the head. Mormonism is outside of Orthodox Christianity and outside the body of Christ as revealed in the Holy Scriptures. All Christians (Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, and Anglicans) have an extremely high view of the Holy Bible. Therefore, we all worship our Triune God together in unity.
The LDS use and trust the King James Version of the Bible. This certainly includes the book of Revelation.
The Bible is trustworthy, but some translators are not, as you have illustrated with your version of Hebrews 1. So you must learn to make a distinction between the “trustworthiness” of the Bible as originally written in the source documents, and the “trustworthiness” of every translation with the biases of the translators involved.
Since you clearly have in mind a different translation of the Bible than the KJV based on your previous posts, then I would have to say that the version of the Bible you use is not trustworthy in and of itself. I would also think you would not find the other three books to be “trustworthy” for your own purposes because they would not correlate with your personal theology. Those three books are consistent and can be trusted when compared with the KJV of the Bible, unless one takes isolated verses out of context.
For me, the KJV Bible is a source of divine revelation from above, but the best source of revelation is to read and study the Bible, then pray about what one has read and get personal revelation from the Holy Spirit so that one is receiving first-hand understanding from God rather than second-hand understanding from men.
You guys have gotten better over the years, but light is always brighter than the darkness. You have no idea which translations that I posted, do you? The KJV Bible is fine with me. I would suggest that you use the Joseph Smith translation to make your point. Why is the Protestant KJV more superior, and better translated than the Joseph Smith translation? I know your particular KJV is filled with Joseph Smith notes…
Personal revelation is always inferior to special revelation from above (Holy Bible). The Holy Spirit never contradicts Himself in apparent personal revelation with the Scriptures. Can you present the Mormon gospel and all that is required for salvation by using the Bible Alone? Where in your KJV Bible is pointing to the Prophet Joseph Smith and Angel Moroni and the great restoration of apostate Christianity? The bait and switch con works in selling used cars, but not with spiritual truths. It’s funny how the Mormon missionaries knock on our doors with the KJV Bible used as bait, and later switch to the Book of Mormon.I think that the Orthodox Church also has a legitimate claim to being the “one true Church”. I agree with the general point your statement, however I think that it isn’t as cut and dry. For me, if there was a Great Apostasy, then the LDS Church could be true, or the Jehovah’s Witnesses could be true,or the Seventh Day Adventist Church could be true, or the Churches of Christ could be true, etc. If there was no Great Apostasy, then (again for me) the Catholic Church could be true (which of course I believe is the truth), or the Orthodox Church could be true.
Do you believe that the official Catholic Faith preaches the same gospel and the same Jesus Christ as the official Mormon Faith?
There are similarities, however there are major differences.
Chicken…:whacky::blushing::juggle:There are similarities, however there are major differences.
No–nor do I care.
You really don’t understand. Joseph Smith liked the KJV, but could identify that it had some meaning that was missing in certain places, and sought inspiration from the Holy Spirit to identify the missing meaning. But the KJV provides ample Biblical knowledge for most people, especially for those not familiar with personal revelation. So someone like you should not even think about the Joseph Smith translation. It would be irrelevant to you. But I think you would do well to use the KJV for your study and for quoting.
Personal revelation is always consistent with Biblical teachings, but amplifies the knowledge and understanding a person can receive and amplifies their ability to love others. For example, the Holy Spirit will never inspire a person to be argumentative or have the spirit of contention, just as Paul taught. The Holy Spirit fosters peace and goodwill.
Correct.
Yes, I think I could do that.
I already pointed out the answer to those questions yesterday, but see Revelation 14:6 which presents this prophecy clear as a bell. (Remember that “apostate Christianity” means simply “impure teachings within Christianity”–which led to the loss of authority and the loss of the kind of “personal revelation” that the Holy Spirit is willing to give people who seek that guidance in their lives and are not looking toward being argumentative or brow-beating people with the Bible.)
What is the Mormon gospel according to the Scriptures? What must I do to be saved?