do mormons have the holy spirit?

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I do not think mormons have the Holy spirit becuse they belive errors such as many gods, will become gods ect, and if they truly did have the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth they would belive in the truths God has reveled to the human race becuse the spirit would speak in their hearts telling them what is truth and what is error. On the other hand maybe they do have the holy spirit but having their heads filled with error on a regular basis has caused them to grive the Spirit to the point they can not hear his voice telling them the truth. What say you?
 
I once prayed about this with concern, because Mormonism seems much like Islam to me. I dreamed I was smiling and inviting a long line of Mormons on their pilgrimage. Some of them felt a yearning for more than they had and came to me, feeling the warmth of the Holy Spirit. This gave me a lot of comfort. Mormonism teaches a manmade afterlife bound by laws of Mormonism, not the created soul which is set free of the bounds of man and law in the next world. I think it must be stultifying and nerdy for many of them. It is masonic in many ways, which is clear from the magazines, which Islam is not, thank God. I know the great objective good in the Catholic sacraments and believe it is our duty to love and pray for the well being of all. The Catholic Church is not free of legalism and man made rules…praying for the gifts of the Holy Spirit to rain LOVE like the 1st century might bring miracles!
 
I believe the Holy Spirit is greater than us, and therefore we cannot know all its nature and doings --just as a plant or an animal cannot understand our complex nature.
All are created by God, Who is so Patient and Wise. Abdu’l-Baha said:
God is kind to all; He is the giver of bounty to all alike, even as His Holiness Jesus Christ has declared that God “sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust”; that is to say, the mercy of God is universal. All humanity is under the protection of His love and favor, and unto all He has pointed the way of guidance and progress. (Baha’i World Faith, p. 226)
He also said: Love is heaven’s kindly light, the Holy Spirit’s eternal breath that vivifieth the human soul.

Who else is vivifying the souls of Mormon’s? None other than their Creator and Possessor --the same Protector and Educator as everyone else has: God.

I also think that the inventions that mankind distinguishes himself with were always possible, say the phonograph or the telegraph, but they awaited until certain minds were able to take those ideas from the plane of the invisible and make them actual in the visible world, The Holy Spirit facilitates this, beause it is an ever-improving reflection of the ease with which information and communication are carried on in the invisible world.
And wherever there is love, there is God. And there is surely love and goodness in many Mormon homes, as well as horror in some others; and the Holy Spirit shuns such things.
 
I don’t believe that Mormons have the Holy Spirit either. Why? Because their view of the Trinity is so heretical it isn’t even funny.
 
Mormons don’t have the Holy Spirit.
Begs the question what spirit do they have?
the ‘non-holy spirit’…?
 
I do not think mormons have the Holy spirit becuse they belive errors such as many gods, will become gods ect, and if they truly did have the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth they would belive in the truths God has reveled to the human race becuse the spirit would speak in their hearts telling them what is truth and what is error.
Hmmm, so what do you make of the 70% or so of catholics (according to at least one catholic source on this site) who dont believe in the real presence?

Do these 70% of catholics, equating to nearly a billion people, not have the Holy Spirit in them either?

After all, Christ is truely present in the Eucharist. If a catholic does not believe this, they are in serious error.

And finally, who are any of us to decide who does and does not have the spirit within them?
 
I do not think mormons have the Holy spirit becuse they belive errors such as many gods, will become gods ect, and if they truly did have the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth they would belive in the truths God has reveled to the human race becuse the spirit would speak in their hearts telling them what is truth and what is error. On the other hand maybe they do have the holy spirit but having their heads filled with error on a regular basis has caused them to grive the Spirit to the point they can not hear his voice telling them the truth. What say you?
JPK1313,
The truths God has revealed to the human race encompass far more than what you have been taught, and also far less than what you have been taught. The place to get spiritual knowedge is in the scriptures themselves (not other writings) and in sincere prayer. It 'grieves" the Holy Spirit far more to assume that leaders can do whatever they want and still have the Spirit, than to assume that because someone doesn’t believe as you believe, they are not “hearing” the right voice. Assuming that the Holy Spirit has been guaranteed to stay with leaders who changed doctrines to suit their fancy, is to assume something that just does not square with the Bible.

But if in your own life the Holy Spirit guides you to love and serve your neighbor and the stranger in your midst, then that would definitely be an impression you should follow. Peace to you in doing that.
 
I once prayed about this with concern, because Mormonism seems much like Islam to me. I dreamed I was smiling and inviting a long line of Mormons on their pilgrimage. Some of them felt a yearning for more than they had and came to me, feeling the warmth of the Holy Spirit. This gave me a lot of comfort. Mormonism teaches a manmade afterlife bound by laws of Mormonism, not the created soul which is set free of the bounds of man and law in the next world. I think it must be stultifying and nerdy for many of them.
“Stultifying and nerdy?”

MARVELOUS! 😉

I’ll bet you think we believe that we are going to become gods and goddesses, too.

…I dare you to put ‘stultifying’ along with that one. “nerdy?” Well, perhaps. Though I imagine that ‘geeky’ would be closer to the mark.
It is masonic in many ways, which is clear from the magazines, which Islam is not, thank God. I know the great objective good in the Catholic sacraments and believe it is our duty to love and pray for the well being of all. The Catholic Church is not free of legalism and man made rules…praying for the gifts of the Holy Spirit to rain LOVE like the 1st century might bring miracles!
Uhm…I have no idea what you are talking about.

…do you?
 
Hmmm, so what do you make of the 70% or so of catholics (according to at least one catholic source on this site) who dont believe in the real presence?

Do these 70% of catholics, equating to nearly a billion people, not have the Holy Spirit in them either?
Perhaps they do, perhaps they don’t, numbers are quite irrelevant (and I believe this was a USA poll, from what I remember). I forgot who said this, but someone once said “we need more quality Catholics, not more Catholics”. I believe this.
After all, Christ is truely present in the Eucharist. If a catholic does not believe this, they are in serious error.
Yes, especially if and when they partake in the Eucharist anyway. What does this have to do with the OP again?
And finally, who are any of us to decide who does and does not have the spirit within them?
Very true. I agree. No Catholic can say that someone doesn’t have the Holy Spirit, anymore than we can say if another person is off to Hell.
 
JPK1313,
The truths God has revealed to the human race encompass far more than what you have been taught, and also far less than what you have been taught. The place to get spiritual knowedge is in the scriptures themselves (not other writings) and in sincere prayer.** It 'grieves" the Holy Spirit far more to assume that leaders can do whatever they want and still have the Spirit**, than to assume that because someone doesn’t believe as you believe, they are not “hearing” the right voice. Assuming that the Holy Spirit has been guaranteed to stay with leaders who changed doctrines to suit their fancy, is to assume something that just does not square with the Bible.
I think this is doing as much assuming as the OP is, and is saying the same thing he’s saying, except insert (or imply the insertion) “Catholic” instead of “Mormon”.
 
JPK1313,
The truths God has revealed to the human race encompass far more than what you have been taught, and also far less than what you have been taught. The place to get spiritual knowedge is in the scriptures themselves (not other writings) and in sincere prayer. It 'grieves" the Holy Spirit far more to assume that leaders can do whatever they want and still have the Spirit, than to assume that because someone doesn’t believe as you believe, they are not “hearing” the right voice. Assuming that the Holy Spirit has been guaranteed to stay with leaders who changed doctrines to suit their fancy, is to assume something that just does not square with the Bible.

But if in your own life the Holy Spirit guides you to love and serve your neighbor and the stranger in your midst, then that would definitely be an impression you should follow. Peace to you in doing that.
Do you mean like the mormons?

(bolding mine)

Many of the original revelations of the Mormon Doctrine and Covenants Scripture were published in the 1833 Book of Commandments. Two years later, when these revelations were re-published in the first edition of Doctrine and Covenants, significant changes became apparent

4mormon.org/mormon-doctrine-covenants.php
 
Yes, especially if and when they partake in the Eucharist anyway. What does this have to do with the OP again?
Heres a quote from the OP
I do not think mormons have the Holy spirit becuse they belive errors.
The OP doesnt think mormons have the holy spirit in them because they believe in errors.

Catholics that dont believe in the real presence, believe in errors.

Thats what it has to do with the OP.
 
Heres a quote from the OP

The OP doesnt think mormons have the holy spirit in them because they believe in errors.

Catholics that dont believe in the real presence, believe in errors.

Thats what it has to do with the OP.
Again, I still do not see your point of bringing up Catholics. Catholics that believe in errors deny themselves full participation in the sacraments that they may or may not partake in while in that error (highlighting the covenant nature of the sacraments). It’s certainly possible that many Catholics don’t have the Holy Spirit. Being Catholic doesn’t guarantee anything unless you actually have faith in the Faith. Therefore, following your view of the OP’s logic (and perhaps the OP’s logic itself), neither group (Catholics that believe in error and Mormons) has the holy spirit. How does that effect his premise on Mormons?

Either way, I do not think that it’s a good idea to get into who doesn’t have the Holy Spirit. It’s a pointless exercise. God can speak to all people in all religions if He desires to.
 
Do you mean like the mormons?

(bolding mine)

Many of the original revelations of the Mormon Doctrine and Covenants Scripture were published in the 1833 Book of Commandments. Two years later, when these revelations were re-published in the first edition of Doctrine and Covenants, significant changes became apparent
Twopekinguys,
Those are not from an LDS website, and as far as I’m concerned, the changes between the Book of Commandments and the Doctrine and Covenants were not doctrinal changes. The supposed scholars involved in that website have about as much scholarship evident in their thinking process as a junior high student. 'Doesn’t bother me at all. As I’ve stated before, the sifting process for God finding out those who really do want to follow the Holy Spirit in their personal life, versus those who are more interested in picking apart the process of bringing forth modern scripture to justify themselves, is going to happen in all sorts of ways and I think that sifting is a necessary thing.
 
Twopekinguys,
Those are not from an LDS website, and as far as I’m concerned, the changes between the Book of Commandments and the Doctrine and Covenants were not doctrinal changes. The supposed scholars involved in that website have about as much scholarship evident in their thinking process as a junior high student. 'Doesn’t bother me at all. As I’ve stated before, the sifting process for God finding out those who really do want to follow the Holy Spirit in their personal life, versus those who are more interested in picking apart the process of bringing forth modern scripture to justify themselves, is going to happen in all sorts of ways and I think that sifting is a necessary thing.
Do you really think an LDS site would show this? Come on now, we are all smarter than that now aren’t we?

As far as **you **are concerned, what about the rest of the people who claim to be mormon? If alot of them knew doctrines were changed (whether you agreed or not) would make them search more, and find more and more inconsisantcies now wouldn’t it?

By sifting, are you implying that God can’t get it right the first time? God is that imperfect to you?
 
Either way, I do not think that it’s a good idea to get into who doesn’t have the Holy Spirit. It’s a pointless exercise. God can speak to all people in all religions if He desires to.
Totally agree.
 
Do you mean like the mormons?

(bolding mine)

Many of the original revelations of the Mormon Doctrine and Covenants Scripture were published in the 1833 Book of Commandments. Two years later, when these revelations were re-published in the first edition of Doctrine and Covenants, significant changes became apparent
en.fairmormon.org/Doctrine_and_Covenants_textual_changes

Me thinks that you read too many antimormon sites. 🙂

Criticism
Joseph Smith made revisions, additions, and deletions to his early revelations when preparing them for publication. Critics claim that revelations from God are inerrant and should never be changed, and this proves that Joseph Smith did not receive revelation.
Critics claim that the revelations in the Book of Commandments were modified because they were “showing their age,” “contained outdated information,” “included erroneous statements” and “abandoned doctrines.” Some of the revelations “revealed too much information about LDS beliefs.”
See also: Source(s) of the criticism

Response
How do the LDS understand prophetic revelation?
It is important to realize that the LDS Church does not believe in a doctrine of prophetic inerrancy. Prophets are not fax machines; they do not simply “download” messages from God. Rather, God inspires prophets through a variety of means: the prophet may be given precise words to speak or simply receive information which he is to communicate in any way which suits his listeners. Many critics come from conservative Protestant backgrounds and religious traditions which endorse doctrines of Biblical inerrancy. (Some members of the Church may also have absorbed some ‘fundamentalist’ ideas about scripture and prophets.) Both groups of people will be troubled by this doctrine because it does not match their preconceptions, but Joseph Smith cannot be faulted for not following a prophetic model which he never endorsed and which the Church does not teach.

Furthermore, revelation is not always an instantaneous event—it may often be a process of studying a matter out, and applying reason and effort to achieve greater clarity and understanding.[1]

The Doctrine and Covenants itself announces that:

Behold, I am God and have spoken it; these commandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their language, that they might come to understanding.D&C 1:24
Thus, the Doctrine and Covenants acknowledges the weakness of the prophets through which they came, and insists that the wording is in the manner of their language, not direct, word-for-word divine sound bites.

Brigham Young (who authored one of the revelations in the Doctrine and Covenants—D&C 136: described the process in similar terms:

I do not even believe that there is a single revelation, among the many God has given to the Church, that is perfect in its fulness. The revelations of God contain correct doctrine and principle, so far as they go; but it is impossible for the poor, weak, low, grovelling, sinful inhabitants of the earth to receive a revelation from the Almighty in all its perfections. He has to speak to us in a manner to meet the extent of our capacities…
The laws that the Lord has given are not fully perfect, because the people could not receive them in their perfect fulness; but they can receive a little here and a little there, a little today and a little to-morrow, a little more next week, and a little more in advance of that next year, if they make a wise improvement upon every little they receive…[2]
And, there were even times when others besides Joseph were assigned to collaborate in writing the revelations—clear evidence that there was not “only one true” version of the revelation. (See D&C 124:12-16.)

Who made the changes?
Richard Lloyd Anderson wrote:

First Presidency members were assigned to compile “the items of the doctrine” of the Church from the standard works, including “the revelations which have been given to the Church up to this date or shall be, until such arrangement is made” (Kirtland High Council Minute Book, 24 September 1834; also cited in History of The Church 2:165. (subscript. required) GospeLink). This resolution might suggest the correction of former wording through revelation. [The revised D&C was] issued in August 1835 with a 17 February 1835 preface signed by the Prophet, Oliver Cowdery, Sidney Rigdon, and Frederick G. Williams, the revision committee.[3]
Thus, the First Presidency of the time supervised the revisions.
Changes were not hidden from the Church
Critics attempt to trouble Latter-day Saints who have not considered the fact one aspect of the prophet’s mission includes the editing and modification of revelation prior to publication. The critics often act as if these changes are a type of “dirty secret” which the Church is “hiding” from its members.

Unfortunately for the critics, there is plenty of evidence that the Church has done nothing to hide the fact that changes were made
 
Do you really think an LDS site would show this? Come on now, we are all smarter than that now aren’t we?

As far as **you **are concerned, what about the rest of the people who claim to be mormon? If alot of them knew doctrines were changed (whether you agreed or not) would make them search more, and find more and more inconsisantcies now wouldn’t it?

By sifting, are you implying that God can’t get it right the first time? God is that imperfect to you?
See my above post. They knew about it. 🙂

Also here is an article in the Ensign, the official magazine of the lds church about the changes in the doctrine and covenants.

lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=b23605481ae6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

It is ashame that you read so many antimormon sites. 🙂
 
I do not think mormons have the Holy spirit becuse they belive errors such as many gods, will become gods ect, and if they truly did have the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth they would belive in the truths God has reveled to the human race becuse the spirit would speak in their hearts telling them what is truth and what is error. On the other hand maybe they do have the holy spirit but having their heads filled with error on a regular basis has caused them to grive the Spirit to the point they can not hear his voice telling them the truth. What say you?
I think that members of all churches can have the Holy Spirit that live honorable lives, and have genuine belief in Jesus Christ. However, since Christianity at large is Apostate, and no longer has the priesthood authority to administer the sacraments, they cannot have the gift of the Holy Ghost that is bestowed by the laying on of hands, which imparts the right to have the Holy Ghost as a constant companion. What that boils down to is that although Christians of other faiths can have the Holy Spirit, they cannot have it to the same degree, or with the same intensity, that worthy Latter-day Saints can who remain true to their covenants.
 
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