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ricko
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Well there you have it. Only the Mormons can have the full Holy Spirit. This negates all of our sacaraments. This thread should now be closed as a Mormon has spoken, all further discussion is useless.
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dianaiad
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hey.
A Mormon didn’t open this thread…but the one who did was absolutely certain that Mormons could not have the Holy Spirit, and several of you have gone to great lengths to agree with that idea.
Z. has said specifically that everyone (well, he qualified it as 'everyone who believes in Jesus Christ. I would say, personally, 'everyone who seeks religious truth," because with out the Holy Spirit, how could you find it?)
ANYWAY, he goes on to say that the Holy Ghost is different. The GIFT of the Holy Ghost is different, and we very much believe that it is.
And yes, sir, it negates the validity of your sacraments. We don’t believe you have the authority to perform those ordinances. That’s the whole point, y’know. If we DID believe you had that authority, we, too, would be Catholic.
I don’t know why you are reacting in this way. AFter all, you certainly deny that we have any authority to perform ordinances like baptism or communion.
In other words, where the flip have you BEEN, that this comes as a surprise to you? You’ve certainly been rude enough and definite enough about your opinion of us all this time.
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zerinus
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I call that chickening out. You either don’t start such a thread, or if you do you follow it through to the end. Anti-Mormons are cowards. They start a fight, and then run a mile at the first sight of a gun!
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ParkerD
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Twopekinguys,
I was writing about the sifting process to see (1) who really does know the voice of the Holy Spirit versus who is “faking it” because they either haven’t taken the time and interest to figure out how that divine communication comes to people, or they are looking for “smooth talk” and “easy living” in their lives rather than the guidance of the Spirit that will definitely lead them toward making changes in their personal life and away from self-centered behaviors and attitudes. That sifting is what Christ talked about in the parable of the sower. It is also what He talked about with the “five foolish virgins” who were unprepared for the coming of the Bridegroom.
That sifting process will continue throughout life, and will see (2) who is willing to make heart-felt covenants as taught so many, many times in the Bible and keep them, versus who can be blown around by every wind of doctrine or be swallowed up by the cares of this world becoming all-important in their life, to the exclusion of loving God with all of their heart, might, mind and strength.
God lets people sift themselves away from Him or towards Him. It is their choice, not His. Wheat are amidst the tares, and tares are amidst the wheat. The sifting process is vital to the Lord’s plan of salvation, and it is God getting it right all the way along.
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Kristine1957
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I can only say from personal experience that I didn’t have the Holy Spirit with me when I was growing up Mormon.
I thought I did but now as a Catholic I KNOW I didn’t. The True Presence of God is in the Eucharist and the mormons don’t have the same sacrament. Again most LDS people think they do…but… unless they experience it in God’s true Church they will really never know now will they.
I thought I did but now as a Catholic I KNOW I didn’t. The True Presence of God is in the Eucharist and the mormons don’t have the same sacrament. Again most LDS people think they do…but… unless they experience it in God’s true Church they will really never know now will they.
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zerinus
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I can well believe that.
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why_me
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What did you have inside you when you were a Mormon that you thought was the holy spirit?
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Kristine1957
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What did you have inside you when you were a Mormon that you thought was the holy spirit?
Nothing inside me actually, My parents told me it was a “still small voice” and for me that was just the difference between right and wrong.
Nothing inside me actually, My parents told me it was a “still small voice” and for me that was just the difference between right and wrong.
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PaulDupre
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Most people call that a conscience. Mormons call it “the light of Christ”.
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why_me
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You said earlier that you did feel something inside you or least you thought you did. Was that just the still small voice? For mormons, the holy ghost can testify to a person and act as a guide for a person. I think that that is the still small voice or the pressence of the holy ghost that exists in mormon understanding.
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2nd_Adam
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Mormons do not have the Holy Spirit in them as if they were converted to Christ. If a particular Mormon is converted, the Holy Spirit would cause that particular Mormon to be unsettled in the Mormon services due to what is taught. Eventually, a converted Mormon led by Holy Spirit would leave the Mormon Church. Protestants do not believe Mormons are part of the body of Christ. They preach a different Jesus and different gospel which is no gospel at all (Gal 10. The Catholic Faith is probably in agreement since Mormon baptism are not recogonized by the Catholic Magestrium. Please ask why Mormom baptism are not valid. You have to speak the truth in love with your Mormon friends, so they would repent and turn to our Triune God through the Jesus revealed in the Scriptures. The Mormon claim of apostate Christianity in need or restoration by Joseph Smith is a message from the Devil.
Corinthians 11:4
For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
Corinthians 11:4
For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
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why_me
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I think that many people have that still small voice in them. I don’t think that the holy ghost discriminates. And I wouldn’t it call it a conscience but I would call it a guide. If the body is a temple for the holy spirit to dwell in, then I would think that the holy spirit does influence us in making right decisions because he is inside us helping us.
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why_me
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I am afraid that just the opposite happens. Mormonism works by the spirit. It would have never succeeded if people did not feel the holy spirit inside them since much depends on that witness including receiving a testimony of the book of mormon. However, I have felt the spirit in the catholic church. Just sitting there I can feel the pressence of the holy spirit. But I have also felt it in the lds church. But so far, I have not felt the holy spirit in protestant churches.
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2nd_Adam
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In Romans chapter 2, we learn that all mankind have a God given conscience. However, that is not the Holy Spirit in them. It is simply your conscience.
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ParkerD
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2nd Adam,
What an unfortunate perspective you have demonstrating your lack of understanding of the Bible and willingness to follow the kind of non-inspiration that leads to such a statement as your post #31, which bears no repeating.
What an unfortunate perspective you have demonstrating your lack of understanding of the Bible and willingness to follow the kind of non-inspiration that leads to such a statement as your post #31, which bears no repeating.
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why_me
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And yet, the mormons are good people who strive to do good in the world and for god. Mormons can be kind, generous, and full of charity toward others. But they are not perfect. Can the devil be a force for good in the world? I don’t think so which would make your statement a contradiction.
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why_me
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Actually Paul Dupre is correct about the light of chirst. But for mormons, they would claim that we all have the light of christ which would be somewhat related to conscience. However, the holy spirit speaks to us directly or indirectly and we can hear that small voice acting as a guide for us.
When we dim the light of christ within us, we can be led to do evil in the world. The point is to keep the light on and the candle burning.
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Prince_Hal
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Yes.
But some qualification.
Hal.
But some qualification.
- The Holy Spirit is not a lapdog to be “had”, He is the 3rd member of the Trinity.
- Members of the mormon church can be inspired by the Holy Spirit like any of us. For example I am still “officially” LDS, but I believe that the Spirit has shown me the errors of mormondom.
- I do not believe that the leadership of the LDS church have the Spirit when they promote heretical doctrines.
- I do not believe that the membership of the LDS church are speaking by the Holy Spirit when they claim that the LDS is the “one and only true church on the face of the earth” or when they claim divine approval of their temple ceremonies.
- I do not believe that the mormon confirmation bestows the “gift of the Holy Ghost”.
- I do believe that individual mormons can experience the guidance, direction and peace given by he Holy Spirit - as we all can.
Hal.
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Kristine1957
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Well it was just my conscience and that I was told as a child that it was the Holy Spirit. I never have “felt” the presence in the mormon church. Only what I was told.
But I do have God’s presence in his true church.
I feel it,
I know it,
I have God’s grace
and thats good enough for me.
But I do have God’s presence in his true church.
I feel it,
I know it,
I have God’s grace
and thats good enough for me.
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2nd_Adam
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The burning of the bosom testimony is not from God the Holy Spirit. I bet my eternal destiny on that statement. I have had many friends who are Mormon. Some have come out of the Mormon Religion, testifying that the LDS church is false, and are now Christians by the grace of God. If you go by feeling my friends, that is not much to base your faith and eternal destiny on. I am speaking this way so you would repent of the god of Mormonism and trun to the God revealed in the Scriptures. The Mormon god is not the same God as the God of Protestants and Catholics.
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