Do Muslims pray to the same God as Catholics or not?

[goout]

Invincible ignorance also addresses man as a moral subject as he exercises his conscience to make these decisions.
This is more than a matter of merely having access to information, such as: “the CC is necessary for salvation”. Having information is only the start of forming a conscience and using that conscience to make moral evaluations. There are many factors that go into moral evaluation. Those factors include information but are nowhere near limited to information. There are many circumstances that help form our consciences and lead to a particular moral evaluation…

One of the keys is, the moral law points us to apprehending and attaining the highest good. And so the level of knowledge and the relative uprightness of the conscience should not be presumptuous to ignorance.
In other words, we ought to “aim high” and expect that we can come to see the highest good. The Church doesn’t teach about “invincible ignorance” to provide excuses.
Nor does it teach about this for Catholics to wield condemnation or fear on non Catholics.

 

[BlueKumul]

Jesus was a peaceful preacher, Muhammad lead an army
Jesus was chaste, Muhammad had sex with a 9-year-old

They is no possibility that both represent the same God. Rather, Muhammad’s god was either a demon, a malevolent alien, or just a figment of his imagination.

But I think righteous Muslims can go to heaven. We are judged for what we do, not for what our spiritual leaders do.

 

[Rozellelily]

Presuming that Muslims and Christians pray to the same God, but with different understandings of him, I still find it hard why God would want us to be confused about this by having plurarity of religion?

I believe perhaps there must be some higher purpose?

Also, with all this, sometimes it seems like Jesus has been “pushed out”.
For example: my sister mentioned that her office Christmas party has been renamed as “end of year party” so that the one or two very strict Muslims at her work can feel included and want to attend comfortably.

This is all good at a human level to be a kind and inclusive human, but what about Jesus?
I can only speak for my country, but here it’s not PC anymore to talk about Jesus in the office, have nativity related Christmas themes at work, etc…
It is like Jesus is being “pushed aside” for political correctness.

And the Muslims don’t rename Ramadan as “month of fast and celebration” to make non-muslims feel inclusive (nor do I think they should), so why has it become this way with Christians?

 

[ReaderT]

Compare…

(1 John 2:22-3) 22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

(1 John 5:9-12) 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son does not have life.

…and contrast:

(Surah 9:30): The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah”; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

(Surah 112: 1-4): Say, “He is Allah, [who is] One. Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, nor is there to Him any equivalent.”

(Sura 5:116): Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say to that which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.”

 

[LilyM]

@catholic03
Thank you for the video. It was very thought provoking and I liked how the Bishop mentioned about respectfully sharing Jesus with the Muslim’s and not trying to force it onto them.

Looking at both sides of things from the Bishop Schneider and from the Pope:

• On one hand, if we worship the same God then why can’t a Catholic pray in a Mosque, and why can’t a Muslim pray in a Catholic Church?
  After all, we are worshipping the same God. Even if “both sides” can’t agree on Christ divinity, the prayers are ultimately still received by the same God.
  Even if one faiths understand of full truth is wrong, ultimately it is the same God so why is it a sin?
• On the other hand, society has become so proselytization fatigued” that these days any attempt of “sharing Jesus” is usually met with immediate resistance, eye roll, amusement, perhaps even mocking, thought that the person is a religious zealot etc…
  So would any Muslim be even receptive to someone “sharing Jesus” with them?

They will probably be polite but say “I have my own religious beliefs. We believe in Jesus as a prophet but not that he is God”.

And anyone sharing their religion needs to be prepared for questions. Questions which often don’t have “satisfying” answers to the human intelligent. Like explaining the Holy Trinity. Why “your” religion is truly right vs the others, and no just that, but why is your “denom” right vs the others etc…

Pope Benedict could and did pray in a Mosque. And I had Muslim schoolmates in my Catholic school who, if memory serves, did attend Masses when all students were required to. Being too young to think about such things, I never asked them what they made of it, or whether they prayed during these times or anything.

 

[Male]

if there is one true God then why do different religions exist?

There is NOT 1 God. There are different entries in the spiritual realm. That call themselves God. Because humans Want to worship.

Erich vondagen answers in his book

 

[TMC]

LOL, CAF’s descent continues. How low can we go by Dec 31?

 

[Rozellelily]

I have no idea who he is so I had to look him up. Apparently we share the same birthday

His views seem interesting but apparently he was found to be a liar.

When I was a child, there were a lot of interesting documentaries on tv about aliens and crop circles etc. But in the last years, it has all died down so they either don’t exist or have “become bored” with humanity…

 

[upant]

Niblo:

The Qur’an is quite clear that Jews and Christians who believe in God, and who do righteous works, will be admitted to Heaven. The same is true for Muslims.

what about these verses, how do you reconcile them with what you wrote?

“O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.” S. 5:51

Those who say, “Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. The Messiah ˹himself˺ said, “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever associates others with Allah ˹in worship˺ will surely be forbidden Paradise by Allah. Their home will be the Fire. And the wrongdoers will have no helpers. S. 5:72

Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment. S. 5:73

@Niblo. Are you still here?

 

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Thanks …

 

[AlNg]

as scripture teaches, faith is what causes righteousness and not the law nor works nor sacraments.

Matthew 25: 31 - 46. It looks to me like good works can save you.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Matthew 25: 31 - 46. It looks to me like good works can save you.

Why you need to read the whole Bible and not parts of it. John 3:16-18

 

[AlNg]

Why you need to read the whole Bible and not parts of it. John 3:16-18

I go by what Jesus said. John says some interesting things but He is not God. Jesus is God and what Jesus says is more important. Why not listen to Jesus ?
Anyway, doesn’t John say that we should believe in what Jesus says?

 

[Julius_Caesar]

I go by what Jesus said.

While rejecting what He said in John 3:16?

 

[AlNg]

While rejecting what He said in John 3:16?

Some Bibles end the quotation after verse 13 indicating that the rest is a comment of John. Anyway, if you believe in Jesus then you will believe what He says in Matthew 25: 31 - 46, No?

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Some Bibles end the quotation after verse 13 indicating that the rest is a comment of John.

And most Bibles have Him saying it.

 

[AlNg]

The passage identifies such.

 

[AlNg]

?
The issue was brought up as whether Muslims or Jews put their faith in Jesus as part of the question as to whether they pray to the same God as Christians and can be saved.

The direct question “What must I do to be saved” is asked and answered in Acts 30

The answer is “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved”

Do the Muslims put their faith in Jesus? Do the Jews of today put their faith in Jesus?

I think that Muslims and Jews can be saved because of their good works as a possible interpretation of Matthew 25. I am not sure about whether or not Christians and Muslims and Jews pray to exactly the same God. It is true in a weak sense I suppose.

 

[Vico]

Well both can’t be if they contradict each other, so why hasn’t God told one “group” by now that they are wrong?

Neither Judaism nor Islam accept Jesus Christ in the Holy Trinity, just as some that consider themselves to be Christians do not believe in the Holy Trinity. God gave free will.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

1730 God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions. "God willed that man should be ‘left in the hand of his own counsel,’ so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him."26

Man is rational and therefore like God; he is created with free will and is master over his acts.27

 

[Niblo]

Mr Kipling does make exceedingly good cakes