Do Muslims Really Know Who God Is ?

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Question for Christians, why taking on a human nature made Jesus unable to know the hour ? why wasn’t he also unable to do other things like healing, knowing what in someone’s heart, prophesying, knowing what would happen to him and to others in the future…etc
Let me see, according to the Bible he healed a deaf and mute man, a couple of blind men, lepers, he healed a noble man’s son, he he brought a man back to life, etc. And he had numerous people that witnessed it because it was why they would bring people to him to heal.

Compare that to Mohammed… … his miracles were to be left alive if Mohammed didn’t like you. 🤷

Now, why is it that you haven’t read the Bible since you are on a Christian website? When I go on a Muslim website I have read Islamic texts.

According to the bible he knew what was going to happen and he tried to prepare his disciples. He told parables and tried to explain what would happen. Read John of the New Testament, or any of the 4 Apostles’ books in the NT.

I think it is not being intellectually honest for Muslims to come on a Christian website and to not even have read the Bible, and that is especially for the Muslims who have been on this forum for any length of time.

Jesus foretold Mohammed and those like him, didn’t he?
Matthew 7 15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

You just have to read and listen.
 
Exodus 3:15 God also said to Moses, "Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

(not Allah)
They would at least have a leg to stand on if it was one of the 99 names. I mean, in 99 attempts, they missed the biggest target
 
Ever since the message of salvation of mankind is out from the God, right from the beginning Satan wanted to stop it. God promised that Woman’s son will crush his head.

Gen: 2:15 “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

So he tried to manipulate Cane to kill Abel. Then he tried to corrupt the Human race with the angels under him by entering into sexual relation with women to bring forth a race of Giants of ancient times. Then he targeted the Noah & sons. When Abraham was called out to be blessing for the entire nations, he knew the messiah is to be from Abraham and he followed him keenly. When he came to know there is going to be a redeemer (Moses) for Hebrews after 480 years as revealed to Abraham. He tried to kill all male child of that time influencing Pharaoh t stop emergence of Moses thinking that he could be the Savior. Each time he failed to stop the God’s plan. None of these great people were the messiah.

Later he knew that savior had to be from Jews and is from King David’s line so he tries to kill the line of David. After the Prophets Zechariah & Malachi God left the Israelites in dark ages with no prophesy until the John the Baptist.

From the signs of the heaven and from the words of the Wise men he came to know the Savior is born but could not identify who it is due to God’s protection. He tried to kill the messiah/Savior by ordering a massacre of all children matching his age through the king Herod. All this show his desperate attempts of stopping Messiah’s emergence.

When Baptist John declared Jesus to be the Lamb of God who is bear the sins of the world. He tried to defeat him by tempting. He very well knew that son of God (the Word of God) descended to be a mere man and does have good chance to defeat him by tempting him in flesh. But he failed many times.

With growing influence on the crowd and bewildered by the signs Jesus was performing, Satan wanted desperately wanted to stop Jesus by hook or crook, otherwise people were going to accept Jesus as their Savior and Messiah. So he tried to kill him many times but was prevented by God until the time appointed by God. Satan tried to influence the Jewish elites and priests to that effect. Finally got Judah Iscariot too to his side.

Ultimately he succeeded in killing Jesus and was eager to demonstrate the world that He is just a man but not God incarnation or Son of God. Remember the mockery Jesus had to endure.

But God defeated Satan on his own device by giving Jesus as sacrifices. God has accomplished everything for mankind from God’s side to open the way back to heavenly adobe by Jesus’ sacrifice. The wisdom of God prevailed - Jesus could get back His life - because there was no sin in Him - Now Satan was completely defeated.
 
Jesus not came back alone from dead but brought many others with him as recorded in Gospel of St. Mathew - demonstrating who he is and what he is capable of.

Now the message of Salvation is simple “accept Jesus as your sacrifice and Savior”. And live accordingly. So the Gospel is being proclaimed to the end of the world by Jesus disciples.

St.Paul says that if any one comes with any other Gospel differing from that of the apostles is given by them, even it is an angel from Heaven he is cursed.

Galatians: 1:8, 9 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”


All 12 apostles received gospel directly from Jesus during His life on earth. St Paul received gospel from resurrected Christ while he was in Arabia.

Galatians 1: 11,12 “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”


He did not get it from other apostles. So the Gospel St. Paul received from Jesus after His ascension to heaven was the same as that of other Apostles. There is no more new Gospel to come.

Remember the counterfeit can come only after the original.

Here is where Satan wanted to corrupt the Gospel. He tried to pollute them by heresies and Gnostic gospels etc. But the true Gospel prevailed and canonized in Bible.

Hence the so called last testament brought in by Prophet Mohammed is questionable in the light of Bible. And his life itself is questionable to be a prophet. All he said in Koran is the stories from Misna the rabbinic stories (Jews did not consider them authentic - that is why they did not include them in Old Testament canon) and from Gnostic gospels those came after 2 century AD.

Here is another warning from Bible.

2 Corinthians: 11: 13, 14 “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.


It is apparent that Satan had deceived Prophet Mohammed to believe by posing as Gabriel and given him a different Gospel. It is at least once acknowledged in Koran itself that he was fooled by Satan (refer to famous Satanic verses and abrogation). (Bible has no such incidents with any of the prophesies by prophets of God). Now only god knows how much Prophet Mohammed was deceived by Satan. In turn Prophet Mohammed’s desires got very well quenched by his God.

So it can be deduced that the last testament by Prophet Mohammed was a deception of Satan to corrupt Gospel to cover-up the Jesus the Savior and His mission of salvation. Those could not accept Jesus as Savior is still in darkness thus serving Satan’s desire to take them down with him to Hell.

Is it not the ancient Moon God worshipped in Mecca was called Al Lah? Isn’t it strange they still have moon signs above their worship places? Still follow moon for signs of their festivals?

Most of the Muslim brethren may not be aware of this deceit they are deep in, thinking that theirs is the true gospel and they are worshiping the real one and only God. I can’t blame them.

It is my wish that they start thinking differently and ask God Jehovah and search Bible for truth. Those who seek truth will find it.

For the information of all here in the discussion - although the old testament prophets line end by John the Baptist, the line of New testament time prophets still continue to exist in Christianity. (Refer Acts: 11:27-28, 13:1, 21:9-10, 1Corinthians: 12:28, 14:1, 22, 24, and 29). But common Christians seldom are aware of it. New Testament prophetic line is the proof (manifestation) of who Jesus is as revealed in Revelation as the Almighty Lord, The God incarnation.

Revelation: 19:10 “……the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

It is my personal witness that I was onece shaken in faith by Muslim teaching, But my Good Lord taught me of the deceit from Bible and to discern it restored me and brought me to a prophetic ministry where He manifest his mighty presence as you read in Bible.

In the book of Revelation Jesus says “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” Rev: 1:8

Rev: 1:17,18 “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”

There is a strict warning also given by Jesus against attempts if anybody tries to corrupt or add to it.

Rev: 21:18,19 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

Muslims wake up. Find your Salvation in Jesus Christ.

God Bless
 
Jesus not came back alone from dead but brought many others with him as recorded in Gospel of St. Mathew - demonstrating who he is and what he is capable of.

Now the message of Salvation is simple “accept Jesus as your sacrifice and Savior”. And live accordingly. So the Gospel is being proclaimed to the end of the world by Jesus disciples.

St.Paul says that if any one comes with any other Gospel differing from that of the apostles is given by them, even it is an angel from Heaven he is cursed.

Galatians: 1:8, 9 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”


All 12 apostles received gospel directly from Jesus during His life on earth. St Paul received gospel from resurrected Christ while he was in Arabia.

Galatians 1: 11,12 “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”


He did not get it from other apostles. So the Gospel St. Paul received from Jesus after His ascension to heaven was the same as that of other Apostles. There is no more new Gospel to come.

Remember the counterfeit can come only after the original.

Here is where Satan wanted to corrupt the Gospel. He tried to pollute them by heresies and Gnostic gospels etc. But the true Gospel prevailed and canonized in Bible.

Hence the so called last testament brought in by Prophet Mohammed is questionable in the light of Bible. And his life itself is questionable to be a prophet. All he said in Koran is the stories from Misna the rabbinic stories (Jews did not consider them authentic - that is why they did not include them in Old Testament canon) and from Gnostic gospels those came after 2 century AD.

Here is another warning from Bible.

2 Corinthians: 11: 13, 14 “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.


It is apparent that Satan had deceived Prophet Mohammed to believe by posing as Gabriel and given him a different Gospel. It is at least once acknowledged in Koran itself that he was fooled by Satan (refer to famous Satanic verses and abrogation). (Bible has no such incidents with any of the prophesies by prophets of God). Now only god knows how much Prophet Mohammed was deceived by Satan. In turn Prophet Mohammed’s desires got very well quenched by his God.

So it can be deduced that the last testament by Prophet Mohammed was a deception of Satan to corrupt Gospel to cover-up the Jesus the Savior and His mission of salvation. Those could not accept Jesus as Savior is still in darkness thus serving Satan’s desire to take them down with him to Hell.

Is it not the ancient Moon God worshipped in Mecca was called Al Lah? Isn’t it strange they still have moon signs above their worship places? Still follow moon for signs of their festivals?

Most of the Muslim brethren may not be aware of this deceit they are deep in, thinking that theirs is the true gospel and they are worshiping the real one and only God. I can’t blame them.

It is my wish that they start thinking differently and ask God Jehovah and search Bible for truth. Those who seek truth will find it.

For the information of all here in the discussion - although the old testament prophets line end by John the Baptist, the line of New testament time prophets still continue to exist in Christianity. (Refer Acts: 11:27-28, 13:1, 21:9-10, 1Corinthians: 12:28, 14:1, 22, 24, and 29). But common Christians seldom are aware of it. New Testament prophetic line is the proof (manifestation) of who Jesus is as revealed in Revelation as the Almighty Lord, The God incarnation.

Revelation: 19:10 “……the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

It is my personal witness that I was onece shaken in faith by Muslim teaching, But my Good Lord taught me of the deceit from Bible and to discern it restored me and brought me to a prophetic ministry where He manifest his mighty presence as you read in Bible.

In the book of Revelation Jesus says “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” Rev: 1:8

Rev: 1:17,18 “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”

There is a strict warning also given by Jesus against attempts if anybody tries to corrupt or add to it.

Rev: 21:18,19 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

Muslims wake up. Find your Salvation in Jesus Christ.

God Bless
Emmanuel
 
If God told Moses that His name was to be Yahweh for all time and to all people, why did Allah not use that name?
Why were EL, Eloh & Elohím Adonai also used, which are related to Alláh?
Jesus cried out ILAHI! ILAHI! --not Yahweh Yahweh!
 
Intersting website you found there. Here is another,

bahai-library.org/resources/tablets-notes/surih-haykal/walbridge.html

on which is said:

Bahá’u’lláh says, ‘Thus have We built the Temple with the hands of power and might, could ye but know it. This is the Temple promised unto you in the Book’, evidently an allusion to Rev. 21:22-3, which in early Arabic translations of the Bible evidently said, ‘the glory of God [Bahá’u’lláh] is its light’, a passage quoted by Bahá’u’lláh elsewhere.
 
Intersting website you found there. Here is another,

bahai-library.org/resources/tablets-notes/surih-haykal/walbridge.html

on which is said:

Bahá’u’lláh says, ‘Thus have We built the Temple with the hands of power and might, could ye but know it. This is the Temple promised unto you in the Book’, evidently an allusion to Rev. 21:22-3, which in early Arabic translations of the Bible evidently said, ‘the glory of God [Bahá’u’lláh] is its light’, a passage quoted by Bahá’u’lláh elsewhere.
Firstly, the Bible rejects Bahawhateverlah in Luke 16:16, so I am not about to accept those quotes as sufficiently decent for viewing.

Secondly, the arabic language was developed FOR islam. Prior to muhammad, there was no official arabic language. Therefore, it is not surprising to find muslims using the name - allah synonymously with the noun - god in replacement of the original commonly used arabic noun of ILAH.

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Don’t know about you. But I know whom I have believed.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know the true One. We are in the true One—that is, in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
 
Secondly, the arabic language was developed FOR islam. Prior to muhammad, there was no official arabic language. Therefore, it is not surprising to find muslims using the name - allah synonymously with the noun - god in replacement of the original commonly used arabic noun of ILAH.
This post is an embarrassing mix of falsehoods and conjecture. To say that the Arabic language was developed for Islam makes about as much sense as saying that the English language was developed for Shakespeare (and that is assuming the most generous interpretation of your logic; what you have written makes very little sense). It is not so. Similarly, your claim about “no official Arabic language” is at best a misunderstanding of the terms you are using. The oldest of the regulating bodies in the Islamic world devoted to the Arabic language is the Arab Academy of Damascus, founded in 1918. So, yes, you’re right, this is after Muhammad, but what is this supposed to prove? Should the development of the astronomical clock in the Muslim world also be tied back to Muhammad somehow, rather than Taqi el-Din? If your point is to prove the Arab world’s reliance on Muhammad, you’ll have to rely on Islam’s status as the region’s dominant religion, not on any perversion of linguistics.
 
Why were EL, Eloh & Elohím Adonai also used, which are related to Alláh?
Jesus cried out ILAHI! ILAHI! --not Yahweh Yahweh!
Yahweh was the Unpronouncible. An Orthodox, faithful Jew would not say it. Jesus did, calling himself God, as was killed for it.

When Jesus cried that out, he was invoking a Psalm about the Crucifixion, showing another proof of his claims.
 
Yahweh was the Unpronouncible. An Orthodox, faithful Jew would not say it. Jesus did, calling himself God, as was killed for it. When Jesus cried that out, he was invoking a Psalm about the Crucifixion, showing another proof of his claims.
Hi Ralph. This is my point. Whereas the Tetragrammaton was not to be pronounced, the new Name Christ was to have would be frequently enunciated and it’s identity is part of the Great Announcement. It is not as if the Nazarene returns and His Name is still Jesus, although that name was supreme until His Most Great Name was revealed. In this sense, Muslims in general do not know God, even though their traditions of expectation of the Hidden Name were the most explicit.

Revelation 3:12b "…I will write upon him My new Name."

In My Name, which standeth supreme above all names!
Praise and glory beseem the Lord of Names and the Creator of the heavens,
He, the waves of Whose ocean of Revelation surge
before the eyes of the peoples of the world.
The Day-Star of His Cause shineth through every veil
and His Word of affirmation standeth beyond the reach of negation.
(Tarazat (Ornaments) Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 29)
 
Muslims often insist that they worship the same God as the Jews and the Christians.

But can we say we know a person when…we Don’t even know his name. Don’t even know his values/principles, and Don’t even know his likes & dislikes??? Of course not. Simple logic tells you that even if you claim and insist that you know the man, he will certainly turn around and boot you out of his house and say he does not know you. Right?

What is the Jewish God’s name? Exodus 3:15 God also said to Moses, "Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

What are some of his values/principles?" Deuteronomy 24:4 her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again for she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the LORD. Do not bring sin upon the land the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance.

What does He like? • Hosea 11:1 The LORD’s Love for Israel ] When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son.(note that the entire community in Egypt then saved in the Exodus through the crossing of the Red Sea were the descendants & relatives of Joseph who was a direct descendant of ISAAC…NOT Ishmael)

So, since we don’t know God’s only name (muslims call their deity allah/rahman), we don’t follow his instructions/values (muslims marry & remarry), and don’t like what He likes (islam hates jews especially the descendants of Isaac)….then what has God got to do with muslims?

…SERIOUSLY…NOTHING. GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSLIMS.

If you are a muslim, you should seriously ask yourself who you are really praying to, because based on the above simple logic it certainly isn’t God.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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They are familiar with God in a limited way from the hebrew scriptures, the Old Testament.

They do not accept Jesus Christ as being the Son of God Incarnate therefore their knowledge of God is limited inasmuch as God has revealed of Himself in the Old Testament.
 
Hi Ralph. This is my point. Whereas the Tetragrammaton was not to be pronounced, the new Name Christ was to have would be frequently enunciated and it’s identity is part of the Great Announcement. It is not as if the Nazarene returns and His Name is still Jesus, although that name was supreme until His Most Great Name was revealed. In this sense, Muslims in general do not know God, even though their traditions of expectation of the Hidden Name were the most explicit.

Revelation 3:12b "…I will write upon him My new Name."

In My Name, which standeth supreme above all names!
Praise and glory beseem the Lord of Names and the Creator of the heavens,
He, the waves of Whose ocean of Revelation surge
before the eyes of the peoples of the world.
The Day-Star of His Cause shineth through every veil
and His Word of affirmation standeth beyond the reach of negation.
(Tarazat (Ornaments) Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 29)
I hope you are not saying that Jesus is Baha’u’'llah
 
I wish we could have a productive conversation without being called liars.
Granted I am zealous to inform people of what they don’t know, but I detect a haughty superiority that is not becoming.
Baha’is do NOT deny the three Persons. Neither does the Qur’an deny the Virgin Birth!
It is admitted that Jesus took His existnce through the Holy Spirit, specifically through the utterance of the word “Be” by God, not a corporeal relationship with Mary.
That is what the Qur’an teaches.
You stress the “threeness” of God, we stress the “oneness”. But now, “Muslims” deny the crucifixion of the body of Jesus, as well as the truth of the Báb & Bahá’u’lláh, and have thus ceased being “muslim” as have those previous faiths that deny Messengers that came after theirs…
You stress the Sonship of Jesus, but some 600 years after Jesus, the Qur’an stressed His submission to God, even though He had no human father. The term “Son” is again used by Baha’is to refer to Jesus, with the caveat that the term “Everlasting Father” can also appear, which is Who Bahá’u’lláh is.
You stress that Mary is the Mother of God. Many people find this blasphemous, because they honor the transcendence of one true God, Who doesn’t need to beget anyone with one of His creatures, since the entire Creation is begotten by a mere indication of His will.
You stress the supremacy of the Papacy and the Magesterium, when there are obviously many cases of scientific supremacy shown by thinking minds over the ages, such as Leonardo’s research into uplifted sea-creatures in the mountains of Italy, which I just saw on TV tonight. What did the Papacy say: that they were left by the Flood…utterly incognizant of the scope of geologic time.

The eager will be led on, no matter what; and the narrow will be left behind;
it cannot contain the torrent that God has released in His bounty and providence!.
The unicity of God is deep and incomprehensibile; why limit it?
The human family is diverse but one, and revealed truth is deep and inter-connected, as the seas that cover the earth. But you are withheld and separated forever by names.
So what is left? -an evolving understanding on the part of mankind, if they seek!
 
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