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El_Paulo
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But still a valid question, surely?
OK, I’m a little vague; so the chair is equivalent to what?
…and the elephant is equivalent to what?
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…and the elephant is equivalent to what?
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Angelos
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I would LOVE some people on this thread to quit attacking Christians who know a lot about Islam and get back to the main topic as soon as possible. Thanks 
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El_Paulo
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I hope no-one feels attacked, whether they know a lot about Islam or not.I would LOVE some people on this thread to quit attacking Christians who know a lot about Islam and get back to the main topic as soon as possible. Thanks
What is happening is that views are being challenged, as they will be; personally, I am trying to challenge portrayals of Christianity that, IMO, seem hypocritical or one-eyed in their approach to Islam.
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freesoulhope
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Do not think that i am trying to defend islam, cause i am not. However, im sure if you presented this to an islamic theologion, that he would argue that the interp that you are trying to imply from the words, is either out of context, or is wrong.Koran at-tavba 009: 005 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
The same chapter:
009:029 **Fight against **such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Prove to me that your interp is correct, since i see many things in the OT ( much of which i am told is in the koran) that, at first glance, make God appear to be unjust, such as asking Moses to slay children.
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freesoulhope
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This verse for example seems very mechanical, This is where i find error with Muhummads atitude towards God and what he thinks God is. Somebody who doesnt believe God to be reasonable, you would think that God cammands us to give are bodys against are freewill; when in fact, it is reasonable to assume that such a command is relitive to the emotional and physical state of the human beings involved. I do not believe that if my wife is upset or in some kind of destress, that an angel would be upset with her if she doesn’t want to have sex with me. God is perfect, and therefore is reasonable person; not just a cold mechanical, command and conquer type dude.
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La-Petite-Fleur
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I once asked a Muslim if she believed in the same God as the Jews; the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. She said, “There’s only one God, Allah, and he is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Jews say they believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; so yes.”
In my opinion, that left the question unanswered.
In my opinion, that left the question unanswered.
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Angelos
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Once a person finds out that Islam claims to be a universal religion with everlasting decrees coming supposedly from Allah, that person never falls into the snare of making comparisons between the OT and the Islamic Scripture 
Peace,
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Peace,
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Booklover
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Those “attributes” can very well be applied to Muhammad! Get the picture??
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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Sure, they profess to worship God; But do they actually worship God.
No we don’t; We all believe in the same GOD… but we don’t all worship Him.
Wrong again. If you replace the word “worship” with “believe in”, then it makes sense.
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hamba2han
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Muslims pray 5 times a day and fast at least 30 days in a year.
The fact of the matter is that the average Christian in the West prays less often in a whole year than a practicing Muslim would pray in a single day.
The average Christian too would fast less often in his entire lifetime than a Muslim would fast in a single year.
Don’t Christians consider praying and fasting to be acts of worship?
The fact of the matter is that the average Christian in the West prays less often in a whole year than a practicing Muslim would pray in a single day.
The average Christian too would fast less often in his entire lifetime than a Muslim would fast in a single year.
Don’t Christians consider praying and fasting to be acts of worship?
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cestusdei
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We are in the middle of Lent. The Muslim fast is only during the day. At night they often stuff themselves. Many if not most Catholics pray daily. I pray the breviary 5 times a day and celebrate Mass, plus the rosary and other devotions. We have monks who pray much more then that. Also many Muslims don’t understand Arabic and so they don’t know what they are praying. Even when we used Latin our people had missals with translations, so they would know what was being said. The more I learn about it the less I am impressed with Islamic prayer.
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hamba2han
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Muslims pray in the same manner that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and all the other Prophets like Moses and Abraham (pbut) prayed:
wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch5.6.html
wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch5.6.html
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Angelos
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Yes, it is true! We all know that Jesus & the other *prophets *switched off their mobiles and removed their sneakers before entering a mosque.
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Montalban
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Thank you. I’m not super impressed by your argument to date.
(see below)
I didn’t think you were directing anything at only me.
The fact you think we can’t criticise Islam (regardless of capacity) based on a belief it’s an off-shoot of Christianity is not logical for
a) it doesn’t follow that we’re responsible for what they do with their faith
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b) they’re not an off-shoot of Christianity, although I’m aware that some early Christians saw that them as mere heretics, but then so did some Jews.
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Montalban
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If you think so.
You make the challenge that everyone must agree to something. You ask, in order to find out what that ‘something’ about Islam is, is by whether everyone agrees to it. Not everyone in Islam has to agree to it for it to be considered Islamic.
Exceptions don’t break the rule, in this case, nor with the chair example.
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Montalban
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But your claims are so far evidence free. People give you evidence from the Koran and you provide no counter to this, except to speculate that it isn’t so… based as it is on your opinion that it isn’t so.
Even when people point out the differences in motive, you don’t address it.
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Montalban
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Montalban
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Except that the Islamic texts also say she is curesed by the angels.
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Montalban
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They believe that Moses was a messenger of God who brought a different message than the one Jews know (and Christians know). And that the message was corrupted by the Jews, either wilfully or through neglect.
Thus when a Moslem says “We believe Moses was sent by God” they don’t mean in the same way as in the Judeo-Christian understanding.
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Montalban
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That’s assuming that all Moslems follow what they must do. I have a Turkish co-worker. She takes the a holiday at Ramadan. She and her Turkish husband love their beer.
As an Orthodox we don’t (this is what we’re supposed to do/not do, as opposed to what might happen) eat foods from red-blooded animals during Great Lent, and many other days of the year.
One Orthodox Christian Father said we should pray as often as we breathe.
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