Do Protestants Really Hate Catholicism?

[wlychan64]

First off, I am a Miss. So Dear Miss

As I have said Truth matters. So either the view of the Catholic Church is the Truth or the Protestant view is the truth. They cannot both be true. One of them has to be erroneous.

The erroneous view then must therefore be against Christ will because Christ is the TRUTH.

I am not saying you are strange. Read my post again. Your view is the one that is strange if you think TRUTH does not matter to Christ. THAT is what is strange.
What other viewer? This is the first time I have jumped on this thread.

Did I say otherwise?

So?

What does my name have anything to do with this discussion? Why are you so angry?

When did I stab you? Have a look at what I have written again and tell me where I stabbed you? I am really curious as to what has set you off to be angry about what I have written.

Maaann, you are being rather irrational here.

So let us get down to truth and who judges. I did not say I am the judge.

What I am getting at is there has to be an arbiter of truth.

If you say that something is black and I say it is white, how do we know which one of us is correct? Who decides? THAT is the only point I am trying to get at.

So, with regards scripture, tell me, how do we know which one has the correct interpretation. You have to keep in mind that TRUTH matters so how do we determine TRUTH in this case?

You are not being blunt, just meandering in trying to get your point across.

No because so far you have not said much that is either right or wrong (except of course implying that all viewpoints are equal.) But no doubt you will.

At the moment you are fence sitting to pacify both camps. Jump off the fence and make a stand either way.

There is nothing wrong with my language. But now I am getting even more curious why you think I have said something wrong. There must be something in my post that has really ticked you off.

Dear Madam,

I will find time to re-read your previous sharings.

You are a very serious and firm Roman Catholic. I respect you very much.

Thank you
wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

Dear Madam

Thank you for your prompt reply.
You’re welcome.

I appreciate your constructive feedbacks and sharings that I start to understand and appreciate. I also start to understand your concern and I am sorry that some Christian bodies have done so much to upset you and others.

 

[wlychan64]

You’re welcome.

Here you go again making assumptions. No Christian body has upset me (except perhaps when they call the Pope the anti-Christ or when they call the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon which really just shows their painful ignorance).

As a matter of fact I am very happy that so many Protestants love the Lord.

Let me ask you something. Do you think there is such a thing as objective TRUTH? You know, TRUTH that does not depend on opinion? For example, if you are female the TRUTH that you are female, so whether I think you are male does not matter because the fact is you are female?

Objective TRUTH does not depend on “views”. For example, I could hold the “view” that the earth is flat and you could hold the view that the earth is elliptical. Between the two of us you will be the one who apprehends the truth, not me. We cannot both be correct.

So let’s settle that idea about views. We are not discussing views but which one teaches the truth, Catholic or Protestant.

If we can establish the TRUTH that the Catholic Church posseses the fullness of Truth then it would be sheer stupidity to believe in any other church.

And that is what we are here for. We have set ourselves the task to find out which understanding of scripture is correct.

Remember, one of the most clever lies that the devil has devised is to convince people that all opinion/views are equal.

When you have opposing views, only one could be right.

You too. Christ be with you.

Dear Madam

Thank you for your reply.

Your points are noted and understood with appreciations.

However, I cannot entirely agree with you the fullness of Truth would lie in the Roman Catholic Church or (some or all the Protestant Churches). You rule out the possibility of both of them would posssess the truth. OK, fine. However, why the fullness of Truth lies in the Roman Catholic Church but not any of the Protestant Churches? Or for the sake of arguments, neither one of them.

Finally, you have raised the point that the devil has devised to convince people that all views are equal. Can you elaborate your point please? I want to grasp your view on this issue.

Thank you madam for your views. I am thinking seriously to be a ‘convert’ or towards the Roman Catholic Church. There is a lot that I can learn from you.

In case I reply to you late, my apology.

thanks again.

wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

Dear Madam

Thank you for your reply.

Your points are noted and understood with appreciations.

However, I cannot entirely agree with you the fullness of Truth would lie in the Roman Catholic Church or (some or all the Protestant Churches). You rule out the possibility of both of them would posssess the truth.

Logic man. Logic. As I have painstakingly tried to explain, if one says something is white and the other says something is black, only one of them could be right.

I am not saying that the Protestant churches do not possess SOME truth.

Ask yourself this: Is divorce permitted by Christ or not? What does it say in the Bible?

The Catholic Church teaches that it is not permitte because Christ HIMSELF said so.

The Protestant Churches however think that is all okay.

Are they both correct? Is divorce both permitted and not permitted by Christ?

OK, fine. However, why the fullness of Truth lies in the Roman Catholic Church but not any of the Protestant Churches? Or for the sake of arguments, neither one of them.

If neither one of them then Christianity is a delusion.

As I have said before, that is what we are here for, to find out which one is correct.

So the only way this discussion can more forward is if we can zero in on a particular doctrine which the churches have opposing views on.

Take your pick: Eucharist, Infallibility, Mary, etc.

Howabout the teaching of the church that you disagree with. Put that on the table and let us discuss that.

Finally, you have raised the point that the devil has devised to convince people that all views are equal. Can you elaborate your point please? I want to grasp your view on this issue.

This is called relativism, more commonly moral relativism. I do what I feel is okay. If I think fornication is okay then I do it and that is fine. If you don’t think fornication is not good then that is fine too. So where does that leave us? Is it or is it not bad?

See what happens? Truth gets lost. We don’t know what is true and right anymore because what is true and right becomes dependent on what every person believes.

In the end it is not Christ you follow and believe but YOURSELF, your own ego.

And that is what the devil would have you do. It is the very same tactic the devil used on Adam and Eve. And they swallowed it hook line and sinker.
Why? Because it appealed to their pride. I/Me/Myself make the decision. I/Me/Myself decide what is good or evil.

Nope. I/Me/Myself do not decide that because sin is only sin because God said so.

We are not the arbiters of morality. That is God’s domain alone.

I have found that a lot of people who leave the Catholic Church do so because of moral issues. They do not like this and that teaching of the Church on morality so they leave.

Thank you madam for your views. I am thinking seriously to be a ‘convert’ or towards the Roman Catholic Church. There is a lot that I can learn from you.

Thank you. Pray for an open mind and an open heart. The Holy Spirit will do the rest. I will pray with you.

In case I reply to you late, my apology.

thanks again.

wlychan64

No apology needed. I am very tardy with my replies as well that is why I have posted a general apology in my public message wall.

 

[wlychan64]

Logic man. Logic. As I have painstakingly tried to explain, if one says something is white and the other says something is black, only one of them could be right.

I am not saying that the Protestant churches do not possess SOME truth.

Ask yourself this: Is divorce permitted by Christ or not? What does it say in the Bible?

The Catholic Church teaches that it is not permitte because Christ HIMSELF said so.

The Protestant Churches however think that is all okay.

Are they both correct? Is divorce both permitted and not permitted by Christ?

If neither one of them then Christianity is a delusion.

As I have said before, that is what we are here for, to find out which one is correct.

So the only way this discussion can more forward is if we can zero in on a particular doctrine which the churches have opposing views on.

Take your pick: Eucharist, Infallibility, Mary, etc.

Howabout the teaching of the church that you disagree with. Put that on the table and let us discuss that.

This is called relativism, more commonly moral relativism. I do what I feel is okay. If I think fornication is okay then I do it and that is fine. If you don’t think fornication is not good then that is fine too. So where does that leave us? Is it or is it not bad?

See what happens? Truth gets lost. We don’t know what is true and right anymore because what is true and right becomes dependent on what every person believes.

In the end it is not Christ you follow and believe but YOURSELF, your own ego.

And that is what the devil would have you do. It is the very same tactic the devil used on Adam and Eve. And they swallowed it hook line and sinker.
Why? Because it appealed to their pride. I/Me/Myself make the decision. I/Me/Myself decide what is good or evil.

Nope. I/Me/Myself do not decide that because sin is only sin because God said so.

We are not the arbiters of morality. That is God’s domain alone.

I have found that a lot of people who leave the Catholic Church do so because of moral issues. They do not like this and that teaching of the Church on morality so they leave.

Thank you. Pray for an open mind and an open heart. The Holy Spirit will do the rest. I will pray with you.

No apology needed. I am very tardy with my replies as well that is why I have posted a general apology in my public message wall.

Dear Madam,

Thanks for your feedback again
I will read them carefully later today.

You are so serious and firm with your belief that I admire you.
I will think about them and raise them with you

Sorry for my ignorance and naive.

Finally, you are one of the most serious Catholic that I have ever met. You know your own belief and firm on your trust with your own Church. I am impressed.

Talk to you again

best wishes
wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

I find the statement untrue. I am a protestant but I never dislike or hate the Roman Catholic Church (RC). I like the mass and I admire the love and care given by many fathers and nuns to people down town.

I admit that I have found some or very little doctrines adopted by the RC hard to agree to me but I respect the RC and support it.

In fact, I attend mass every Saturday and I enjoy the celebration with other members of RC who would not kick me out just because I am not a member of their church.

Good day

I think it is good that you go to Mass. You may not believe it but the Mass is indeed Heaven on Earth.

However, you cannot receive communion. But that will happen when you convert.

I would suggest you read Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn. There is also a book called Surprised by Truth which is a collection of conversion stories which you might find truly enlighteninng.

 

[benedictus2]

Who has the directive to interpret these “abstract concepts” in God’s Word? The infallible Pope? You may want to research Pope Leo X and Alexander VI before you make that claim.

And you might want to research what we mean by infallible before you think that your statement above debunks the doctrine of Papal infallibiilty.

But the most important question I have is "are you saying that the catholic church doctrine is more accurate and succinct than Scripture?

Let me ask you this:

1. What is scripture?
2. How do you know that the Bible is indeed the word of God?

 

[benedictus2]

To the OP,

I don’t think protestants in general hate Catholicism but there are indeed some denominations and some members of some denominations who are terribly ignorant and swallow hook line and sinker every single lie they are fed.

Take for example Jack Chick and his ilk.

And that I suppose is what really irks me about some protestants: the extent that they would go to to fabricate lies just so they can attack the Catholic church. I mean, don’t they know that Jesus said the devil is the father of lies and when they do that they become children of the devil?

Fulton Sheen said "There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church—which is, of course, quite a different thing

 

[JustaServant]

I find the statement untrue. I am a protestant but I never dislike or hate the Roman Catholic Church (RC). I like the mass and I admire the love and care given by many fathers and nuns to people down town.

I admit that I have found some or very little doctrines adopted by the RC hard to agree to me but I respect the RC and support it.

In fact, I attend mass every Saturday and I enjoy the celebration with other members of RC who would not kick me out just because I am not a member of their church.

Good day

Wish we could clone you.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Hello I just came back to the church and i still ask questions but one thing i am dead sure of is the Catholic church does not, compromise. You can read alot about this in 1Corinthians :10. I know you can absorb another way of thinking by cohorting with myth minded modernist. Such is the tragic consequence of compromise with unbelief! That’s called Operation: Double Standard! Please read Galations 1:6-18 God Bless Ben and all of the children of God Love of Christ Nancy

 

[francesca_gen]

In the time I’ve lived here, the churches, Catholic and Protestant, have joined together in Christ’s ministry to the poor through a cooperative program to provide food and clothing. We’ve joined together in another organization to provide shelter. We join together for days of prayer in front of the court house. We volunteer together to minister to the hospitalized. We stand together as pro-life.

Blessings,
granny

All humanity belongs at the foot of Christ’s cross.

Beautiful. That’s been pretty much my experience in my life. My mother was Baptist, my father was Catholic. I was raised Baptist and converted as an adult. But at no time in my upbringing was there any anti-Catholicism in my church. Sometimes the differences in beliefs would come up, but there was never anything derogatory or hateful.

 

[wlychan64]

I think it is good that you go to Mass. You may not believe it but the Mass is indeed Heaven on Earth.

However, you cannot receive communion. But that will happen when you convert.

I would suggest you read Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn. There is also a book called Surprised by Truth which is a collection of conversion stories which you might find truly enlighteninng.

Thanks.

1. I will not disagree with you that the mass is heaven on earth. You have my words.
2. I will not receive holy communion as a matter of respect to the Catholic Church. I know it very well but I thank you for the reminder. I could have other proper means.

3.I see if I could get a copy of the book you have referred to me. Thank you very much indeed.

best wishes always
Winston

 

[wlychan64]

Beautiful. That’s been pretty much my experience in my life. My mother was Baptist, my father was Catholic. I was raised Baptist and converted as an adult. But at no time in my upbringing was there any anti-Catholicism in my church. Sometimes the differences in beliefs would come up, but there was never anything derogatory or hateful.

Thank you for the sharing. It is very encouragaing.

wlychan64

 

[wlychan64]

And you might want to research what we mean by infallible before you think that your statement above debunks the doctrine of Papal infallibiilty.

Let me ask you this:

1. What is scripture?
2. How do you know that the Bible is indeed the word of God?

Thank you for the questionis and another discussions/exchange of views are anticipated. Let me think about them first. I hope you may not start to hold against me for not answering your questions which is an indication of weakness or cowardice.

Thank you again

wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

Thank you for the questionis and another discussions/exchange of views are anticipated. Let me think about them first. I hope you may not start to hold against me for not answering your questions which is an indication of weakness or cowardice.

Thank you again

wlychan64

I don’t think anyone is a coward or weak for not answering questions.

Most of the time they are just too busy but other times they are just stumped and there is no answer

But I would love to hear your answer to these though.

A lot of people confuse infallibility with impeccability. These are two different things.

 

[wlychan64]

I don’t think anyone is a coward or weak for not answering questions.

Most of the time they are just too busy but other times they are just stumped and there is no answer

But I would love to hear your answer to these though.

A lot of people confuse infallibility with impeccability. These are two different things.

Thank you for your mail.

wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

Thank you for your mail.

wlychan64

Hi Winston,

You might be interested in these

Scott Hahn Conversion Story

Peter Kreeft Conversion Story

You might want to visit the Journey Home Network website too. There are heaps of beautiful conversion stories there.

Also, if you like, PM me your email address and I will email you more material (audios as well).

Peace of Christ!

 

[Doom]

When I was a protestant, I saw it this way, mostly.

I did not hate Catholics, I hated the sin of Catholicism. You asked.

The foolishness of youth is obvious, of course. Then again, I was a socialist until I was 14. A little history helped me with that (certainly not obtained from secular schooling, I did my own homework). A calling from God and a personal search for God because of that call (and a lot of foot dragging) lead me home. Now, to be honest, many of my incorrect fellows did hate Catholics. Pray for them, I do.

Oddly, I always respected the Pope. Don’t ask, some things only God can know.

 

[benedictus2]

When I was a protestant, I saw it this way, mostly.

I did not hate Catholics, I hated the sin of Catholicism. You asked.

The foolishness of youth is obvious, of course. Then again, I was a socialist until I was 14. A little history helped me with that (certainly not obtained from secular schooling, I did my own homework). A calling from God and a personal search for God because of that call (and a lot of foot dragging) lead me home. Now, to be honest, many of my incorrect fellows did hate Catholics. Pray for them, I do.

Oddly, I always respected the Pope. Don’t ask, some things only God can know.

A big WARM WELCOME HOME!

 

[wlychan64]

When I was a protestant, I saw it this way, mostly.

I did not hate Catholics, I hated the sin of Catholicism. You asked.

The foolishness of youth is obvious, of course. Then again, I was a socialist until I was 14. A little history helped me with that (certainly not obtained from secular schooling, I did my own homework). A calling from God and a personal search for God because of that call (and a lot of foot dragging) lead me home. Now, to be honest, many of my incorrect fellows did hate Catholics. Pray for them, I do.

Oddly, I always respected the Pope. Don’t ask, some things only God can know.

Mr/Ms Doom,

Thanks for the sharing.

Can you tell me your personal experience of ‘converting’ if you do not mind? It must not be a easy decision to make at the end but it is worthwhile.

I agree with you that one should respect the pope and even other things that follow such as papal infallability.

wlychan64