Do Protestants Really Hate Catholicism?

[nancy_dalrymple]

i possess the truth and that is if you do not put your trust in Christ for your salvation, you are doomed.

HI! Jerry, Nice to hear from you,where you been? say you are right we need to trust in the Lord always and we also need others to love and guide us and pick us up when we fall. Yes we are our brothers keepers. You are Loved Nancy PS I am greatful for all and any friends i have and ask God to Bless them always,and i am greatful for all and any prayers said for me In Jesus name AMEN!

 

[benedictus2]

i possess the truth and that is if you do not put your trust in Christ for your salvation, you are doomed.

And if you trust Christ you will believe what He said.

And if you believe what He said you will know that He keeps His promise.

And if you believe what He said you will know that He established only one Church.

And if you know He established only One Church you will know that that Church is still here today because He keeps His promise.

And if you truly believe and trust in Him you will want to be in that Church and not some other church started by man.

 

[wlychan64]

The Eucharist is the source and summit of our Faith. It can only be found in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

How can anyone abandon the Church Christ founded and the Eucharist, His great gift of Himself?

Catholics who leave the Church do so out of ignorance - like I did for over 20 years.

I am back and learning every day. Our Faith is beautiful, wholesome and good - and very interesting, of course.

Nancy, the Catholic Church is perfect in its teachings but will never be perfect in his members - the parable of the weeds among the wheat applies. (Matt 13:24-30).

Love…Love changes everything God gave us two very important Commandments - to love Him and to love one another. If we can do that we will achieve all that God requires of us. And that is a fact.

Dear Cinette,

Thank you for your two previous sharings. I am very touched. I agree with you that the Roman Catholic Church is quite unthreatening. In fact, I have found it making a lot of efforts to be friendly to other religious including the protestant denominations. I am very impressed by the attitude of the Catholic Church and most Catholic I have met are nice and friendly.

wlychan64

 

[grannymh]

Thanks.

Tell me one more thing please. What is Lambeth Conference 1930?
Also, despite of the bad start of the Church of England, their practice is very much like the Roman Catholic Church? what is your view?

Once again, thanks for your sharings

Wlychan64

Hello Wlychan,

I’m glad to see you are still asking questions. This is my view. The Church of England, like many other Protestant Churches, holds on to some of the teachings of Jesus. However, It is the Roman Catholic Church who continues to preach ALL the teachings of Jesus, including that He is truly present under the signs of bread and wine.

Some Protestant Churches claim Jesus is present in a symbolic or temporary way. This is not what Jesus taught. Also, it is only the Catholic Church which has maintained the succession of Popes since St. Peter. This means that its priests are properly ordained to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and to say the beautiful words of Consecration. You are in my prayers.

Blessings,
granny

Human life is meant for eternal life with God.

 

[wlychan64]

Nancy is right. If it does not matter why convert at all.

Protestants possess SOME truth but NOT THE FULLNESS OF TRUTH.

The fullness of truth matters. Protestants whether they like it or not posses some truth ONLY BECAUSE of the Catholic Church. Whether they like it or not, they are merely branches of the Catholic Church.

So does it really matter whether you are Catholic of Protestant?

Yes it does for to say otherwise is to say that what Christ WILLS does not matter.

Christ WILLED / CHOSE TO HAVE only one Church - the Catholic Church. 1500 hundreds years later, men decided that they will have churches of their own severed from Christ’s Church. Is that what Christ wanted?

If it does not matter, then Christ would not have established His own Church. This problem of separated churches will not be a problem but the natural state of things. But no, He established a (one) Church.

Why is this important? Because He knows that one day, churches will sprout (He predicted that even) and He knows that there has to be something against which their doctrines will be measured against.

He could have just left us the Bible but He did not do that. He did not do any writing. He did not even appear to the apostles again to say which written account is to be included as part of the canon.

What did He do. He picked apostles and selected one of them (Peter) upon which to build His Church and He promised (and made good that promise) to send them the Holy Spirit to guide them into truth.

These days so many people fall into the great deception that the devil is fostering upon us: all views are equal, all opinions are equal.

If we follow this line of thinking then we say: Divorce is both good and not good, contraception is both okay and not okay, the Eucharist is real and not real, Christ is both God and not God. We would then have bought into this subtle lie that so permeates secular thinking.

If this is so, then we make a mockery of Christ and Christianity.

Love and Truth has to go together.

Your views are always firm and certain and your wordings are always clear and precise.
I am impressed.
thank you
wlychan64

 

[wlychan64]

Hello Wlychan,

I’m glad to see you are still asking questions. This is my view. The Church of England, like many other Protestant Churches, holds on to some of the teachings of Jesus. However, It is the Roman Catholic Church who continues to preach ALL the teachings of Jesus, including that He is truly present under the signs of bread and wine.

Some Protestant Churches claim Jesus is present in a symbolic or temporary way. This is not what Jesus taught. Also, it is only the Catholic Church which has maintained the succession of Popes since St. Peter. This means that its priests are properly ordained to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and to say the beautiful words of Consecration. You are in my prayers.

Blessings,
granny

Thanks Granny for the reply. I hope my sinceren questions put to forum members will not cause any disturbance nor annoyance in any event. The answers I have received are well thought and clear which provoke me to accept the Catholic Church more notwithstanding I am a long to be converted.

Anyway, for all the Catholic I have met in this forum, I am impressed by their strong faith to Jesus and firm loyalty to the Catholic Church. I am touched.

Best wishes
wlychan64
Human life is meant for eternal life with God.

 

[JustaServant]

i possess the truth and that is if you do not put your trust in Christ for your salvation, you are doomed.

We’re all doomed huh? I reported your post, if nothing comes of it fine. Nice derailing of a thread.
If “we’re all doomed”, why are you on Catholic forum talking to ‘doomed’ people?

 

[Larry_Green]

As a former Protestant who is in the process of converting to Catholicism, I have a different opinion than many here that I have read. The Reformation was partially correct, but it started a process where everything as pertains to Christianity is up for question. My last stop in Protestant was Lutheran. I was disliked for my adherence to the Bible as if Lutherans do not believe the Bible (so much for Sola Scriptura). I see most Protestant denominations like a snow man melting and quickly losing its content. If they are the “true church”, why isn’t God preserving their content as Jesus promised?

I appreciate that the Catholic Church has held on to the truth, especially when it was not popular.

I do not want a church that conforms to my desires of the flesh; I want a church that conforms to truth. Let me conform to truth. Please give me truth, not a product for mass merchandising!

In Christ,
Larry

 

[gookykookypig]

THis thread is still number one, why?

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[nancy_dalrymple]

As a former Protestant who is in the process of converting to Catholicism, I have a different opinion than many here that I have read. The Reformation was partially correct, but it started a process where everything as pertains to Christianity is up for question. My last stop in Protestant was Lutheran. I was disliked for my adherence to the Bible as if Lutherans do not believe the Bible (so much for Sola Scriptura). I see most Protestant denominations like a snow man melting and quickly losing its content. If they are the “true church”, why isn’t God preserving their content as Jesus promised?

I appreciate that the Catholic Church has held on to the truth, especially when it was not popular.

I do not want a church that conforms to my desires of the flesh; I want a church that conforms to truth. Let me conform to truth. Please give me truth, not a product for mass merchandising!

In Christ,
Larry

HELLO, i AM VERY SORRY NO ONE GOT BACK TO YOU. I CAN SEE YOUR DEDICATION ALREADY AND I WELCOME YOU WITH THE LOVE OF CHRIST AND GREAT JOY AND THANKSGIVING. i HOPE IF AND WHEN YOU CONVERT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE TO HELP AND GUIDE YOU TO MORE TRUTH. YOU ARE LOVED. NANCY

 

[Erbey]

Thats a BIG AMEN There Larry!
You see, that's what I'm talking about. You see the truth of the Catholic faith. It gives me great joy when someone like you who thirsts for truth finally finds it. You remind me so much of myself when I first starting investigating the Churchs teachings in the Bible. I would compare them with other denomations teachings and found that Protestant teachings on certain doctrines actually were totally opposite of what the Bible really would say. For example, the teaching on the Lords supper. Jesus said this **is** my body and prot teaching says it's not. Very obvious and in your face contradiction. I mean if that don't raise some red flags in folks then there's something wrong there. Yes, you are right in saying the Reformation was partially provoked from within the Church but the Church reformed herself. What Martin Luther should have done was to stay in the Church in stead of ranting and raving against her and starting outside "churchlike communities". After all, to Protest against the Church is to protest against Jesus himself for it is his church and his body! Larry I invite you and welcome you to the Catholic Church my friend we are all here to help you in your journey home.:thumbsup

 

[Erbey]

Thats a BIG AMEN There Larry!

      You see, that's what I'm talking about.  You see the truth of the Catholic faith.  It gives me great joy when someone like you who thirsts for truth finally finds it.  You remind me so much of myself when I first starting investigating the Churchs teachings in the Bible.   I would compare them with other denomations teachings and found that Protestant teachings on certain doctrines actually were totally opposite of what the Bible really would say.  For example, the teaching on the Lords supper.  Jesus said this **is** my body and prot teaching says it's not.  Very obvious and in your face contradiction.  I mean if that don't raise some red flags in folks then there's something wrong there.  Yes, you are right in saying the Reformation was partially provoked from within the Church but the Church reformed herself.  What Martin Luther should have done was to stay in the Church in stead of ranting and raving against her and starting outside "churchlike communities".  After all, to Protest against the Church is to protest against Jesus himself for it is his church and his body!  Larry I invite you and welcome you to the Catholic Church my friend we are all here to help you in your journey home.

 

[jean8]

Dear Nancy and Denwiles,

I have been following the arguments/discussion/exchanges of views between you two and I am impressed probably due to my ignorance of the knowledge of christianity although I have studes all the reference in the bible. Are you two referring to the same coin but just different sides of the coin?

This is exactly the problem I have always had: The Catholic Church and the Protetant Churches (most of them) are referring to the same bible but with different interpretations. At the end of the day, I guess that what counts most is our attitude and what are in our minds?

I am a born protestant. Due to some personal difficulties, I have not been attending my own church for quite some time. Now, I attend weekly Holy mass every week alone. I feel I am so close to Jesus Christ in the holy mass even though I am alone and knows no one in the church ( a catholic church) whilst I go to pray at lunch time alone in an Anglican Church which is a few minutes walk from my office.

You may say that I am strange but I never feel alone upon attending holy mass and lunch time prayers by myself at an Anglican Catherdal.

Sorry to share my days with you two

God bless

wlychan64

wlychan,
Good for you.
We are all christians going to different christian denominations.
We all worship the same God . We are commanded to love one another.

“Love the your Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind and love your neighbor as yourself.”
Where can you find this teaching? and who has said this to us? Jesus Christ said this
and you can find this in Lu.10:27

God bless all ,
I love you in the Lord

jean

 

[benedictus2]

As a former Protestant who is in the process of converting to Catholicism, I have a different opinion than many here that I have read. The Reformation was partially correct, but it started a process where everything as pertains to Christianity is up for question. My last stop in Protestant was Lutheran. I was disliked for my adherence to the Bible as if Lutherans do not believe the Bible (so much for Sola Scriptura). I see most Protestant denominations like a snow man melting and quickly losing its content. If they are the “true church”, why isn’t God preserving their content as Jesus promised?

I appreciate that the Catholic Church has held on to the truth, especially when it was not popular.

I do not want a church that conforms to my desires of the flesh; I want a church that conforms to truth. Let me conform to truth. Please give me truth, not a product for mass merchandising!

In Christ,
Larry

I think this should say exactly how I feel about your post especially the last paragraph :clapping::extrahappy::tiphat:

 

[benedictus2]

why don’t you all realize what Jesus is speaking of in this part of the Bible?

i’ve never addressed this when posed the question on this part of Scripture but what is Jesus talking about?

no one is righteous so i guess we are all goats.

Actually you are completely wrong there. If anything were are “good goats”.

Who at any one time in his life has not extended a hand to poor, sick, imprisoned, etc? Only the completely hard hearted would not done any of these works of mercy. True we may not have done all of them but I bet you we would have done at least 1 or two. So if we are not completely the good sheep I suppose you could say we are “good goats”.

 

[benedictus2]

Hi Winston,

In post 621 I promised I would give you my reason why I think there is no need for other churches. Here is a concise summary of the why.

First is this: If we say that we trust Christ, because He is God and He is good and He keeps His promise, we can therefore be pretty sure that the promise He made to Peter He will keep.

The only reason to be in any other church than the Catholic Church would be if you posit that the gates of hell has prevailed on the Catholic church thereby needing different churches.

But you see, it you take that line of reasoning, you are saying that Jesus cannot be trusted to keep His word. If He is not capable of keeping His word then don’t be Catholic. As a matter of fact do not even become Christian because it seem the founder of Christianity is the biggest liar in the world.

However, if you affirm that Christ is indeed God and is able and does keep His promises then the Church He established which came to birth at Pentecost endures to this day.

Have a look around at the protestant Churches. Trace their history. They don’t go very far. Only around 500 years or so.

The scandals in the Church which a lot of people use to discredit the Catholic Church is in actual fact another proof of her divine origin. Even during the darkest days of the Church, the church never taught error. True, some of her members were terribly corrupt. The promise of the Holy Spirit however was kept because her most corrupt bishops and popes never taught. The Holy Spirit shut them up. If she was not divinely instituted she would be gone by now. Empires have risen and fallen but to this day the Church stands strong. Why?

Because Christ keeps His promises. That you can be sure of.

So, if His Church still stands today, then obviously, every sincere Christian ought to belong to that Church because that is why they are called christian after all.

And another thing, since Christ’s only established one church and it is still here and going strong, who started the 30,000 or so others?

Another CAF member (po18guy) once posed this question:
Does the Holy Spirit unite?
Does the devil divide?

 

[grannymh]

Hello! If that is what the church believes then why did i came back to the church? I could have stayed a Protestant, I came back because i thought it was the right church ( the one Jesus built) But i guess it realy does not matter what church you go to if we are all brothers and sisters in Christ? Right? Or is this a double standard? Even a broken Clock is right twice a day!(quote) Nancy

Hi Nancy,

This quote from a previous post needs clarification.

Our Church teaches that Protestants are most definitely Christian through their baptisms and are members (though imperfectly) of the Catholic Church.

There are only a few Protestant Churches who use the same ritual for Baptism as the Catholic Church. Other kinds of baptisms do not make a person a member of the Catholic Church.

Here is a way to look at being brothers and sisters in Christ…

When I go into a bakery and look at all the delicious pies, I have a hard time deciding. While trying to make up my mind, one of my brothers comes in and orders his pie. Good grief, he gets only 3/4 of a pie. Then one of my sisters comes in to order and she gets only 1/2 of a pie. Now, I am worried. When I order my pie, will I get only 1/4 of a pie? Praise the baker! I order my pie and get a whole pie plus a cup of coffee.

Other Christian religions have Christ’s love but they follow only some of His teachings. It’s like they are getting only parts of the pie. Catholics have the whole pie and then some.

Blessings,
granny

Human life is meant for eternal life.

 

[Cinette]

I was thinking about the title of this thread and yes there are Protestants who hate us because of the lies they have swolled. I have had a Protestant fundamentalist tell me that the CC is the “whore of Babylon” and so on and so forth - we all know the lies that a lot of Protestants believe about us.

But that is not the worst. There are people in the secular world whose mission is to fabricate and spread lies about the Catholic Church. Dan Brown and Ron Howard, Richard Dawkins and the like. The Da Vinci Code was a lot of fabrications placed in a historical “setting” to make it look authentic. Apparently the story line was “thrilling” turning it into a “good thriller”. People by the millions bought into it. They read the book, saw the film, were thoroughly entertained (a lot of Catholics read the book etc also) What they did not realise was that they also bought into the lie some to a lesser degree but the bought it anyway. Without realising it. Brown/Howard have released another “thriller” called Angels and Demons" - same kind of thing as Da Vinci - full of lies and twisted “truths”. I have decided not to see any movies with Tom Hanks and those directed by Ron Howard.

But here is something for you. While they were filming in Rome a Canadian Catholic priest one day dressed in civis mixed with the cast of the movie in the streets of Rome and got into conversation with a number of people. They openly admitted the film was out to “get” the Catholic Church. They were complaining that they could not get permission to film inside St Peters but that they were going to achieve their objective - to destroy the CC!!! You should visit the Catholic League’s website. I think you might find some details there.

Furthermore the story of Galileo has been distorted and people, Protestants and Catholics alike have believed that he had been treated very cruelly by the Church. In fact he had been censured but his term of “imprisonment” was in a palace!! He also received honours/awards from the Church. The inquisition is another myth wrapped in truth. The Crusades is another. Sure there have been excesses but the enemies of the Church like to pounce on these and distort further. Look at the lies that have been spread about Pius XII - I even bought into them when I was away from the Church.

We have to be very careful. The Media is very important and it has the power to do a lot of good but that can also go the other way. I heard someone the other day talk of “newsers” - he was saying good, honest journalists are rare and that nowadays we have “newsers” who invent and fabricate stories and many people swollow the whole thing.

The pursuit of truth is not an easy thing. We have to wade through a lot of lies and distortions.

 

[benedictus2]

I was thinking about the title of this thread and yes there are Protestants who hate us because of the lies they have swolled. I have had a Protestant fundamentalist tell me that the CC is the “whore of Babylon” and so on and so forth - we all know the lies that a lot of Protestants believe about us.
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The pursuit of truth is not an easy thing. We have to wade through a lot of lies and distortions.

Great post Cinnette:thumbsup:

 

[wlychan64]

As a former Protestant who is in the process of converting to Catholicism, I have a different opinion than many here that I have read. The Reformation was partially correct, but it started a process where everything as pertains to Christianity is up for question. My last stop in Protestant was Lutheran. I was disliked for my adherence to the Bible as if Lutherans do not believe the Bible (so much for Sola Scriptura). I see most Protestant denominations like a snow man melting and quickly losing its content. If they are the “true church”, why isn’t God preserving their content as Jesus promised?

I appreciate that the Catholic Church has held on to the truth, especially when it was not popular.

I do not want a church that conforms to my desires of the flesh; I want a church that conforms to truth. Let me conform to truth. Please give me truth, not a product for mass merchandising!

In Christ,
Larry

Dear Larry,

1. Could you elaborate your last paragraph as what do you mean by mass merchandising?
2. any sharing about your ‘home coming journey’ (your path of converting), if you do not mind?

Thanks
wlychan64