Do some Protestants (non denom?) believe they are Infallible?

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I’m reading (The Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist: demonstrably proved from scripture, from tradition, ) and on page 52 link it says –

In effect, every Protestant is placed in this dilemma: if he do not believe himself infallible, he has no certainty for his faith; if he believes himself infallible, each of his judgements must appear to him a ray of increased intelligence. He ought, according to the remark of Bossuet, to "deem all his thoughts to be emanations of the Deity; an intellectual pantheism which directly leads to the other.

Protestants and Catholics, whats your opinion?
 
No, not to my knowledge.

What they believe is that the Spirit guides them to Truth on essential doctrines like deity of Christ, etc.
 
I’ve not met one fellow protestant, or know of any protestant denomination that teaches anything of the sort (though there’s some similar ideas in the Quaker religion, such as the Inner Light, though Quakers don’t practice baptism, so anyone know if the CC considers them Christian?). For one thing, it’s hard lumping all protestants together, as some do indeed point to liturgy and tradition and leaders of the church to teach/interpret in a very similar way as the CC.

As for non-denom’s, as Lenten Ashes says, it is the Spirit that is seen to be infallible, not individual humans. They don’t consider either themselves or their pastors as infallible. Scripture is seen as inerrant, the Spirit as infallible. I don’t know of any non-denom’s that would ever claim to be 100% right, but rather we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.
 
I would think that in some respect, most do believe that they are.

For someone to be believe that they are saved and can not loose their salvation, to me, seems like they are infallible, even to the point of knowing what God know’s and that God has judged them as an elect, no matter what the person does’s or think’s.

Being so many different denominations of Protestantism, each and every one that believe’s something different, for them to believe that they have the truth, seems that they must think they are infallible.
 
Billy_Buescher said:
For someone to be believe that they are saved and can not loose their salvation, to me, seems like they are infallible, even to the point of knowing what God know’s and that God has judged them as an elect, no matter what the person does’s or think’s.
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Believing OSAS wouldn’t apply to “infallibility” (the inability to be wrong) and for most it wouldn’t apply to impeccability (inability to commit sin) either.
 
Dpoc41 said:
I’m reading (The Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist: demonstrably proved from scripture, from tradition, ) and on page 52 link it says –

In effect, every Protestant is placed in this dilemma: if he do not believe himself infallible, he has no certainty for his faith; if he believes himself infallible, each of his judgements must appear to him a ray of increased intelligence. He ought, according to the remark of Bossuet, to "deem all his thoughts to be emanations of the Deity; an intellectual pantheism which directly leads to the other.

Protestants and Catholics, whats your opinion?
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I have never met anyone that would admit they were infallible. However, have run into quite a few who sure act that way, when they authoritatively denounce the Church because of this or that teaching.

In my opinion I think their biggest obstacle is some do not understand what the word actually means. I hear the word thrown around quite often about the Bible, not realizing the Bible in itself cannot be infallible. It can be inerrant, but only the interpreter can be infallible.
 
Somewhat ironically, I’ve heard a number of “radio preachers” who are feverishly anti-Catholic and routinely criticize the Pope and the Church, but who then turn around and claim that they, and only they, have the correct interpretation of the Bible and only they speak the real truth and are not to be criticized.
 
The subject of “infallibility” is a purely Catholic thing. For some reason, ordinary Catholics are far more infatuated with the subject than those who are the rightful pontiff.
 
Most protestants seem to view each person’s conscience as being infallible for that person. You are guided by the “inner witness of the spirit”, which basically means do whatever your conscience will justify.
 
peter26 said:
Most protestants seem to view each person’s conscience as being infallible for that person. You are guided by the “inner witness of the spirit”, which basically means do whatever your conscience will justify.
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*"…to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. "

~Luther*

Protestant staple.
 
My impression is that many see themselves as infallible in limited circumstances.
 
Peter_J said:
My impression is that many see themselves as infallible in limited circumstances.
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Maybe some… But let me use Catholic terminology… It is not a doctrine or dogma. Actually very few (maybe 2 or 3) actually exist here! And not that it is even called that… But we know each other by now and you get my point.
 
Thanks MichaelP3.

Elaborating a bit more on what I said, I think of Scott Hahn’s conversion from Protestantism to Catholicism, and how a turning point for him was his mentor telling him that the bible is “a fallible list of infallible books”. Apparently a key assumption of his, prior to then, was that the list was infallible.
 
Peter_J said:
Thanks MichaelP3.

Elaborating a bit more on what I said, I think of Scott Hahn’s conversion from Protestantism to Catholicism, and how a turning point for him was his mentor telling him that the bible is “a fallible list of infallible books”. Apparently a key assumption of his, prior to then, was that the list was infallible.
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I actually listened to his testimony. This was a few years back but it was an hour or two long and please don’t expect me to remember much. can check it again if you require?

But then again, referring to the Bible… I don’t see the point here… yet, with regards to him and that post?
 
Kliska said:
I’ve not met one fellow protestant, or know of any protestant denomination that teaches anything of the sort (though there’s some similar ideas in the Quaker religion, such as the Inner Light, though Quakers don’t practice baptism, so anyone know if the CC considers them Christian?). For one thing, it’s hard lumping all protestants together, as some do indeed point to liturgy and tradition and leaders of the church to teach/interpret in a very similar way as the CC.

As for non-denom’s, as Lenten Ashes says, it is the Spirit that is seen to be infallible, not individual humans. They don’t consider either themselves or their pastors as infallible. Scripture is seen as inerrant, the Spirit as infallible. I don’t know of any non-denom’s that would ever claim to be 100% right, but rather we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.
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Greetings Kliska,
Ive never met a protestant who, at a given time when there beliefs differ from another protestants belief and confusion to others was evident, would conclude their own beliefs were inferior to anothers nor have i heard of any protestant denomination teaching this paradigm.

Peace!!!
 
Kliska said:
Scripture is seen as inerrant, the Spirit as infallible.
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Protestants I’ve spoken with see Scripture as infallible too.

But either way, how do you know that the Letter to the Hebrews belongs in the bible?
 
From the absolute berating and condemnation I receive in trying to defend that faith on YouTube, I must say: absolutely! They have the TRUTH and I am filled with demons. I bow to men. I love the “whore of Babylon”, “Satan’s church”, I follow “Man-made doctrines”, I am “Hell-bound” - you name it. How utterly ironic is that they act infallibly while denying infallibility.

This points to the elephant in the bible alone living room: the ego. Luther had an immense ego. So did Calvin and all of the leading reformers. Which reformers were humble? Those who remained within the Church. We rarely hear about them. Look up Desiderius Erasmus and see the abuse he received from both sides, while remaining faithful. Sola scriptura places the individual ego in charge of interpreting God’s word - and who waits to guide them? It is not the Holy Spirit, as He unites. The demon divides.

Regarding YouTube trolls, I am of the conviction that “bible alone” makes a person angry, hate-filled and often stupid. Really.
 
Dpoc41 said:
I’m reading (The Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist: demonstrably proved from scripture, from tradition, ) and on page 52 link it says –

In effect, every Protestant is placed in this dilemma: if he do not believe himself infallible, he has no certainty for his faith; if he believes himself infallible, each of his judgements must appear to him a ray of increased intelligence. He ought, according to the remark of Bossuet, to "deem all his thoughts to be emanations of the Deity; an intellectual pantheism which directly leads to the other.

Protestants and Catholics, whats your opinion?
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From one of my interactions with a protestant at work…first I ask what he understood by infallibility…then I presented the Catholic definition or understanding…which is basically guided by the Holy Spirit…one will not commit error with regards the faith…

So my follow up would be on their own situation…during Sundays. at their services…when their pastors preach…do you think he is guided by the Holy Spirit at that time?

If he is…then do you think he would commit error in what he preaches during your services?

Would you say then that at that instance, he was exercising infallibility?

I got silence…🤷
 
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