Do we really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants?

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empantarhei said:
And if we are to remain respectful of everyone’s honest beliefs, whether or not we agree on anything, could we the capitalize Protestant, please?
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Heck, I rarely capitalize the word catholic. Of course I certainly mean no disrespect…🙂
 
fordhamstudent said:
Church Unity will happen, but in a sense that Protestant and Anglican Christians will be given a home in the Catholic Church to express the Catholic elements and customary within the Churches they have come out of. Pope Benedict’s new program of ecumenism is working as demonstrated by the Anglican ordinariates. And I am almost positive that Lutheran and Reformed ordinariates will be created as well by the Holy Father among others. His Holiness’ new program of ecumenism and evangelization is clearly faithful to traditional Catholic missiology and the ecumenical teaching of Vatican II–a perfect balance.
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Indeed. :yup:Makes we wonder why some catholics resist his endeavours, in terms of ecumenism. Let us all pray for unity. Pope Benedict is a very smart and holy man. 👍
 
Christian_Unity said:
I wanted to check in with everyone. How’s the unity idea coming along between siblings in Christ from different communities? Did we resolve the issues yet? :winter:
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Are you done contributing to this thread? I’m disappointed you’re not here more often. I’d hate to think you stirred the pot, then left for not-so-greener pastures; or have nothing left to say. I’m sure you have MUCH more to say on this topic…
 
Christian_Unity said:
I wanted to check in with everyone. How’s the unity idea coming along between siblings in Christ from different communities? Did we resolve the issues yet? :winter:
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CU,

This is your problem. You have in your head that there are just differing communities out there squabbling. You come from a community and we have designated that an ecclesial community. This is CAF, and as Catholics we believe in the Creed that you say you believe in and take OHCAC seriously. You are part of that OHCAC as a result of your Baptism and participate in an ecclsesial community that has elements of salvation.

Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Catholic East/West are not Christian Communities…this is your mindset that needs correcting…:highprayer:

You can protest all you want about this definition, attempt to see it another way, however this won’t change not even if some places in the bible some wait for to freeze over.:winter::snowing:
 
empantarhei said:
And if we are to remain respectful of everyone’s honest beliefs, whether or not we agree on anything, could we the capitalize Protestant, please?
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I generally don’t capitalize protestant because I see it as an adjective. As in, I am a member of a protestant communion. If there a “The Protestant Church” I would then captialize it.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
I generally don’t capitalize protestant because I see it as an adjective. As in, I am a member of a protestant communion. If there a “The Protestant Church” I would then captialize it.

Jon
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I agree.

OTOH, I always capitalize Catholic. As in the Creed in the 1928 BCP.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus
 
rfournier103 said:
Are you done contributing to this thread? I’m disappointed you’re not here more often. I’d hate to think you stirred the pot, then left for not-so-greener pastures; or have nothing left to say. I’m sure you have MUCH more to say on this topic…
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CU has demonstrated a pattern of starting threads, then abandoning them. Some have been abandoned to change the subject, or to avoid the direction they were going. This one I think got abandoned because there was a facebook audience more susceptible to the pursuasions being presented than we are here at CAF.

I am disappointed too.
 
JonNC said:
I generally don’t capitalize protestant because I see it as an adjective. As in, I am a member of a protestant communion. If there a “The Protestant Church” I would then captialize it.
Jon
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Huh? What do you call the thousands of churches who are not catholic or orthodox?
Are they just variations of the catholic or orthodox churches? Or do you simply avoid those distinctions because it makes you feel better.
 
guanophore said:
CU has demonstrated a pattern of starting threads, then abandoning them. Some have been abandoned to change the subject, or to avoid the direction they were going. This one I think got abandoned because there was a facebook audience more susceptible to the pursuasions being presented than we are here at CAF.

I am disappointed too.
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Guan I may have finally found something worthy of disagreeing with you about here. CU has not abandoned this thread. Post #504 clearly shows he just has nothing to contribute but is still highly concerned. Although his usage of the pronoun “we” in the phrase “Did we resolve the issues yet” has me somewhat confused. I guess “we” have lots of work to do before he returns.

Peace!!!
 
nitesnake said:
Huh? What do you call the thousands of churches who are not catholic or orthodox?
Are they just variations of the catholic or orthodox churches? Or do you simply avoid those distinctions because it makes you feel better.
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I don’t think you are understanding what Jon is saying. He would call them “protestant” not “Protestant” unless the name of the church had “protestant” in it. Then he would call it “The Protestant Church”. Do you get it? Brother Jon is quite aware of, and has always made, the distinction. 👍

Peace!!!
 
adf417 said:
I don’t think you are understanding what Jon is saying. He would call them “protestant” not “Protestant” unless the name of the church had “protestant” in it. Then he would call it “The Protestant Church”. Do you get it? Brother Jon is quite aware of, and has always made, the distinction. 👍

Peace!!!
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Perhaps I was too hasty and judgmental of Brother Jon. My apologies Jon. More purgatory for me I expect. Good Lord, as if there wasn’t enough already.
 
adf417 said:
Guan I may have finally found something worthy of disagreeing with you about here. CU has not abandoned this thread. Post #504 clearly shows he just has nothing to contribute but is still highly concerned. Although his usage of the pronoun “we” in the phrase “Did we resolve the issues yet” has me somewhat confused. I guess “we” have lots of work to do before he returns.

Peace!!!
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CU is not READING or RESPONDING to the posts. Just dropping in occasionally. I don’t think that demonstrates “high interest”. Stirring the pot, only, I think.
 
guanophore said:
CU is not READING or RESPONDING to the posts. Just dropping in occasionally. I don’t think that demonstrates “high interest”. Stirring the pot, only, I think.
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CU,

has had a flurry of posts 10, 11, 12 and then waned…

In response to this…
Oh and for CU, in case you missed it:
Áve María, grátia pléna, Dóminus técum; benedícta tu in muliéribus, et benedíctus frúctus véntris túi, Jésus.
Mi Jésu, indúlge peccáta nóstra, consérva nos ab ígne inférni, duc ómnes ad cáeli glóriam, præcípue túa misericórdia egéntes.
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CU, says this…
That’s definitely over my head and pay grade. Are Catholic mass still done in Latin or in another language than the indigenousness language? I’m glad the Bible has been translated into English, otherwise I would be Catholic (just kidding)
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For someone suggesting unity, CU shows little interest for that for which he suggests unity with…
 
nitesnake said:
Huh? What do you call the thousands of churches who are not catholic or orthodox?
Are they just variations of the catholic or orthodox churches? Or do you simply avoid those distinctions because it makes you feel better.
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👍
 
empantarhei said:
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The term protestant comes from the protest at the Second Diet at Speyer, 1529. The protest was about proposed limits on the activities of the Evangelical (Lutheran) churches at the time. Hence, the term protestant, which is really archaic.
The term today is loosely used to refer generally to non-Catholic western communions, regardless of their origin. It is easier than saying “non-Catholic western communions”, but it is an adjective, not a proper noun. That’s why I don’t capitalize it.

👍

Jon
 
JonNC said:
The term protestant comes from the protest at the Second Diet at Speyer, 1529. The protest was about proposed limits on the activities of the Evangelical (Lutheran) churches at the time. Hence, the term protestant, which is really archaic.
The term today is loosely used to refer generally to non-Catholic western communions, regardless of their origin. It is easier than saying “non-Catholic western communions”, but it is an adjective, not a proper noun. That’s why I don’t capitalize it.

👍

Jon
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I think an overlooked element in the root of this term that comes from the Latin protestare is that it referred to “standing up for” a value. In modern times it is more understood as “standing against”(Catholicism), but originally it was a form of civil disobedience that emanated from conscience.
 
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