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studychristian
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Bingo, that’s what I mean.
Do we really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants?
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CopticChristian
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Study,
This is what you mean…
What about this…?
Would you care to clarify this?
Are you saying that the Orthodox do not have the fullness of the truth?
If this is what you are saying then are you saying that The Apostolic Deposit of Faith does not reside in…
Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic Latin/East…equally…is this what you are saying?
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CopticChristian
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Rick,
And as you can see I am clarifying the confusion, and if you hold your Lutheran shorts for a moment I will finish my thoughts…do you like finishing your thoughts?
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RickDecker
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Friend:Rick,
And as you can see I am clarifying the confusion, and if you hold your Lutheran shorts for a moment I will finish my thoughts…do you like finishing your thoughts?
Just trying to help. No reason to get snippy.
Blessings
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CopticChristian
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RickDecker
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Friend:
You and the poster who wrote the confusing post. I meant no offense.
Blessings
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CopticChristian
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Rick,
Then if you show patience, a virtue that you will agree is evident in any Christian worth their salt…you shall see less confusion and less offense…
wannna wait…
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studychristian
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Well don’t Eastern Orthodox Christians have differing views on Purgatory, and the succession of the Papal Position
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PRmerger
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Really, the only difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism is the primacy of Peter.
They do believe in Purgatory. It’s just semantics as to what the difference is.
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CopticChristian
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Study,
Never answer a question with a question…clarify what you mean…
You said this…
I asked this…
and since you are here as you say…
I am offering you an opportunity that may aid your study of Christianity and I am a Catholic with a viewpoint you may or may not appreciate, however, if you clarify your answer you can then decide…
Clarify your statement as I asked please…
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CopticChristian
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PRmerger
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Hascard
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Speaking as a Protestant High-Churchman, I represent many of my brethren when I say that we certainly want another 500 years of division between Rome & Canterbury, so long as Rome retains her distinctive theology. Let it be 1000 years, or until the blessed Lord returns. We believe our clergy are validly consecrated & ordained, so nothing bites at our conscience.
At any rate, the major points we agree on have been fleshed out by now - especially in the last 50 years. All that remains, unfortunately, is that upon which we do not concur. Catholic Christians (whether Roman, English, Greek, or Russian) who care about The Truth will always prefer honourable division to slavish ecumenism.
At any rate, the major points we agree on have been fleshed out by now - especially in the last 50 years. All that remains, unfortunately, is that upon which we do not concur. Catholic Christians (whether Roman, English, Greek, or Russian) who care about The Truth will always prefer honourable division to slavish ecumenism.
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CopticChristian
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Hascard,
I am reminded of a movie…working girl, I believe…just because you sing in the shower don’t mean you’re madonna…or believe as you wish however that may not equate to reality.
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Hascard
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Coptic brother,
This is precisely what I would - with great sadness and regret - say about your church; thus, we are at a standstill. One Magisterium contradicts another, as it were. What must our referee be? We have our answer - and that answer is the reason for the sounding of the division bell.
I do sing very well in the shower, though!
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CopticChristian
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Hascard,Coptic brother,
This is precisely what I would - with great sadness and regret - say about your church; thus, we are at a standstill. One Magisterium contradicts another, as it were. What must our referee be? We have our answer - and that answer is the reason for the sounding of the division bell.
I do sing very well in the shower, though!
Your magesterium only been singin for a short while and needs to learn some harmony…
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Attejohannes
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I decided not to make any postings to this thread, but this is just one of the promises I have broken during my life.
As a very low church Lutheran layman (so low that I frequently have to kneel to seek the crumbs of mercy between the planks of the floor) I can only second the view of my High-Church brother.
When we Protestants understand ecumenism and unity as a mutual recognition, the Catholics appear not to be satisfied with nothing less than our conversion. The position might have made sense in the 16th century, when we were doctrinally closer and the wounds fresh and easy to heal. Now the Catholics have two new dogma that we disagree, and a lot of scar tissue and cartilage has accumulating in the suppurating wound.
I do not know, if this citation claimed to be from the present Pope is genuine, but if it is, I think he at least can respect our stand:
“… conscience represents the inner complement and limit of the Church principle. Over the pope as the expression of the binding claim of ecclesiastical authority there still stands one’s own conscience, which must be obeyed before all else, if necessary even against the requirement of ecclesiastical authority. This emphasis on the individual, whose conscience confronts him with a supreme and ultimate tribunal, and one which in the last resort is beyond the claim of external social groups, even of the official Church, also establishes a principle in opposition to increasing totalitarianism.”
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PRmerger
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How is this any different than your being in dialogue with, say, a Muslim?
How would you respond to his objection that went as follows: “When we Monotheists understand ecumenism and unity as a mutual recognition, the Christians appear not to be satisfied with nothing less than our conversion.”
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Attejohannes
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Naturally, if one equals Protestants with Muslims, then the Catholic stand makes sense.
No argument about that
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PRmerger
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I am not saying Protestants are equal with Muslims. It is an analogy.Naturally, if one equals Protestants with Muslims, then the Catholic stand makes sense.
No argument about that
Like this simple one:
Christmas tree : ornament :: earlobe :: earring.
It would be incorrect to say, “That analogy is false because you are saying a Christmas tree is equal to an earlobe, which is clearly absurd.”
No. They are not equal, but alike as analogs only.
Similarly, the example I provided with Muslims is that there is a certain degree of unity we have with a particular group. We rejoice in that. But we do not say, “Let’s only focus on that unity.” We focus on Truth, and want all to come to this Truth.
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