Do we vote for the lesser of two evils?

[jwinch2]

Why would any person like Barack Obama or in the medical field would kill a surviving infant as you are trying to imply.

Ask the president. These are the three bills he voted against while in the Illinois Senate.

ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1662.html
ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB1095.html
ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB1082&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=3910&DocNum=1082&GAID=3&Session=

All three would have given a child who survived an abortion the protection of the law and all three were voted against by President Obama.

Here is commentary by CBS (hardly a right wing news source) before the 2008 election.

…He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive. He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes. And the list of sensitive topics goes on.

With only a slim, two-year record in the U.S. Senate, Obama doesn’t have many controversial congressional votes which political opponents can frame into attack ads. But his eight years as an Illinois state senator are sprinkled with potentially explosive land mines, such as his abortion and gun control votes.

Obama — who filed papers this week creating an exploratory committee to seek the 2008 Democratic nomination — may also find himself fielding questions about his actions outside public office, from his acknowledgment of cocaine use in his youth to a more recent land purchase from a political supporter who is facing charges in an unrelated kickback scheme involving investment firms seeking state business.

Obama was known in the Illinois Capitol as a consistently liberal senator who reflected the views of voters in his Chicago district. He helped reform the state death penalty system and create tax breaks for the poor while developing a reputation as someone who would work with critics to build consensus.

He had a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage for female contraceptives.

One vote that especially riled abortion opponents involved restrictions on a type of abortion where the fetus sometimes survives, occasionally for hours. The restrictions, which never became law, included requiring the presence of a second doctor to care for the fetus…

nrlc.org/Election2008/obamarecord0608.pdf
factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/

As for your claims that Obama supports religious freedom, you are sadly mistaken. Unless you discount the attacks he has made against the Catholic Church, I have no idea how you could begin to make that statement.

 

[Bismarck]

Hello - Earth to Catholics… Paul Ryan is one of US!!! It seems there is no pleasing some people.

Some Catholics are outraged Ryan is both against gay marriage and pro life.

The DNC proved that with Caroline Kennedy

 

[TexCatholic4JMJ]

It’s your opinion, attitude and your choice of words. You are entitled to it. I don’t believe in these kinds of extreme political ads. Why would any person like Barack Obama or in the medical field would kill a surviving infant as you are trying to imply.

If I were to vote for Obama it is because he supports the woman’s rights to choose to conceive(pro life), for healthcare, education, environmental concerns, immigration, and numerous social issues and yes, the protection of religious freedom! But what matters to me the most is the question of their religious beliefs on the divinity of Jesus Christ within the bounds of Christian beliefs. That to me is my greatest concern.

priestsforlife.org This site has a comparison
of the two platforms, Republican and Democrat and it even has the two platforms in their
entirety. Might give you a better idea of the importance of the issues.

I couldn’t believe that Barack Obama chose to vote to allow the survivors of the abortion
to die without any medical intervention because the woman had chosen the abortion.
But it is true and somewhere his remarks are available. Check out Jan Stanek, the
nurse who testified about it.

President Obama has not attended the National Day of Prayer even though it had been a tradition for Presidents to attend. However, he has had the meal for the start of
Ramadam at the White House at least 2 years. Muslims do not believe in the divinity of
Jesus Christ. President Obama had attended a church based on Liberation Theology and
some of his Pastor’s sermons were very anti-American, to say the least. Christian love
demonstrated? Not so much.

 

[jwinch2]

crisismagazine.com/2012/what-barack-obama-could-learn-from-st-robert-bellarmine

What Barack Obama Could Learn from St. Robert Bellarmine
by Gerald J. Russello

 

[mary_bobo]

Hi Michael!

Obama supports a woman’s rights to choose to either have an abortion or to conceive. The only time a person is really pro abortion is when he/she tells or encourages a pregnant woman to have an abortion.

je333

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Hi Michael!

Obama supports a woman’s rights to choose to either have an abortion or to conceive. The only time a person is really pro abortion is when he/she tells or encourages a pregnant woman to have an abortion.

je333

Nope.

 

[SamH]

Hi Michael!

Obama supports a woman’s rights to choose to either have an abortion or to conceive.

Product of a public school biology class?

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Je333,

In my honest opinion, I really do not think this is a political consideration, just a loical one.

The Justices on the US Supreme Court who voted in favor of Roe (and the various other cases decided in favor of abortion) bear the tremendous weight of these murdered babies. Obama would have been 12 years old at the time - hardly blameworthy for even minor offenses, much less this. Ah, but by the same token, hardly praiseworthy for anything for which I am aware. In brief, he was just a kid.

Fast forward to 1/20/09 - when the beginnings of tax-payer supported abortion polices, devious and deceitful promises and then mandates against relition took root and have been in ‘bloom’ for some time. Based on the statements of Obama - as a politician of any state or federal office - any child born when the mother wanted that child murdered - is an insult to the legacy of Roe. Obama will (and has) removed many of the blocks to unlimited abortion - and he has every intention of doing the same if re-elected (more federal judges appointed, maybe even more mandates). Very little has stood in his way - mainly because people foolishly believe his lies (Stupak is to more pitied then scorned for his niavitie creativeminorityreport.com/2012/09/bart-stupak-obama-duped-me.html - but he is not alone as the President of Notre Dame found out about a year after he gave Obama an honorary doctorate.)

It really is a major mistake to blame any President for the continuation of Abortion - this is the Law of the Land since 1973. The issue that separates Obama from the other Presidents is that he has worked so hard to promote, encourage and fund abortions with any source of money he can send to groups like Planned Parenthood. There is the distinction and it is one that must be acknowledged.

Your last question really indicates a lack of knowledge of how the US government is designed. Should someone else replace Obama in November - one who will not promote abrotions - there will still be abortions. Period. The only way abortions will stop in this country is if the US Supreme Court reverses itself or there is a Constitutional Amendment. There really isn’t any other way.

God bless

I am not an expert on politics so this is just my honest opinion. Why would it be fair to put all the responsibility of the 55 million dead unborn babies to our current president because of his political stance as a pro choice? But if that is your take on the issue, then, would it be correct to say that the 101 million babies that were born since 1973 should be given credit to Obama since he supports the mothers’ rights to choose to conceive those babies? Didn’t we have other presidents since 1973 who were conservatives but yet abortion continued to be practiced? Do you think abortion would be become illegal and would cease to be practiced if a conservative once again takes the oval office?

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Je333,

You realize that this is just a matter of public record. washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/feb/24/picket-obamas-bad-moves-infanticide-come-back-haun/ Please note, Obama was not alone in this action - but, he is the only one who bacame President where his extreme views against defenseless life are growing each day.

Obama claimed that the doctors would be sued for not trying to save the one they just tried to abort. This claim is what does not stand up to that simply question.

There is no Catholic position on a ‘woman’s right to choose’. Those who support, encoure and promote abortion have excommunicated themselves. And here is a link for a non-extreme group: catholicplanet.com/articles/article78.htm

The Divinity of Christ has yet to become a political issue. Abortion is a political issue - and one you think you can maintain and still maintain the religion you claim. You really can not have both. As I have said before, we all have an obligation to have a knowledge of the candidates and an informed conscience when we cast our vote in November. Are you saying that you can vote for Obama because he supports abortion and still be a Catholic?

God bless

It’s your opinion, attitude and your choice of words. You are entitled to it. I don’t believe in these kinds of extreme political ads. Why would any person like Barack Obama or in the medical field would kill a surviving infant as you are trying to imply.

If I were to vote for Obama it is because he supports the woman’s rights to choose to conceive(pro life), for healthcare, education, environmental concerns, immigration, and numerous social issues and yes, the protection of religious freedom! But what matters to me the most is the question of their religious beliefs on the divinity of Jesus Christ within the bounds of Christian beliefs. That to me is my greatest concern.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Jwinch2,

Excellent post!

God bless

Ask the president. These are the three bills he voted against while in the Illinois Senate.

ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1662.html
ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB1095.html
ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB1082&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=3910&DocNum=1082&GAID=3&Session=

All three would have given a child who survived an abortion the protection of the law and all three were voted against by President Obama.

Here is commentary by CBS (hardly a right wing news source) before the 2008 election.

nrlc.org/Election2008/obamarecord0608.pdf
factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/

As for your claims that Obama supports religious freedom, you are sadly mistaken. Unless you discount the attacks he has made against the Catholic Church, I have no idea how you could begin to make that statement.

 

[jwinch2]

Hi, Jwinch2,

Excellent post!

God bless

Thanks Tom. The facts of Obama’s past when it comes to abortion are damning if one takes the time to look at them. If the press had done its job in 2007-2008, we wouldn’t be in this situation now. Of course, they knew that this would turn many people off, even those who support abortion in the abstract, so they made sure it went largely unreported.

 

[pnewton]

The only way abortions will stop in this country is if the US Supreme Court reverses itself or there is a Constitutional Amendment. There really isn’t any other way.

God bless

Even that will only reduce them. Of course this should be pursued, but I would like to add there is another way to greatly reduce abortions and that is reducing the number of women who are willing to have abortions, through evangelization and changing the culture of death. We need to revitalize the understanding of innate human dignity and the value of life.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Even that will only reduce them. Of course this should be pursued, but I would like to add there is another way to greatly reduce abortions and that is reducing the number of women who are willing to have abortions, through evangelization and changing the culture of death. We need to revitalize the understanding of innate human dignity and the value of life.

Amen

 

[je333]

 

[jwinch2]

youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw&feature=context-vrec

Obamacare Summed Up in One Sentence

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Bismarck,

I am not only dated on this - I am outdated! My mental picture of her is as a little girl - along with her brother - at the funeral of her murdered father. Ah, now flash forward to present where this particular dilusional female is loudly announcing that she is Catholic and Pro-Death…errr…Pro-Choice. And that is the fantasy that this misguided souls are living under - and, scandelously proclaiming this direct attack on Church teaching.

But, one thing I have marveled at … and this I find disgraceful … that not one bishop beginning with Cardinal Dolan said, “Oh, no you’re not in good standing with the Church - in fact, you have excommunicated yourself.” Now, if anyone can tell me why there has not been a public statement from the bishops about these attacks on Church teaching from the DNC - I would certainly like to hear it.

God bless

Some Catholics are outraged Ryan is both against gay marriage and pro life.

The DNC proved that with Caroline Kennedy

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Jwinch2,

This was priceless!

But, we should not stop there … it probably deserves special recognition in some world record for one of the longest run-on sentences ever put together!

God bless

youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw&feature=context-vrec

Obamacare Summed Up in One Sentence

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Pnewton,

Fundamentally, I do not think any one can argue with what you are saying. As I see it, this is a matter of prioriteis. Maybe an analogy would be helpful.

I think what you are talking about would be analogus to advocating tough new building and fire codes - applying to new and existing structures so that the entire city would be a safer place. What I am saying is that the building we are in is on fire and we are calling out fire trucks today and for the next 53 days so we can put this fire out. Let’s save what is left of our building now so that we can all work on improving the ‘city’ through, ‘… evangelizing and changing the culture of death’.

God bless

Even that will only reduce them. Of course this should be pursued, but I would like to add there is another way to greatly reduce abortions and that is reducing the number of women who are willing to have abortions, through evangelization and changing the culture of death. We need to revitalize the understanding of innate human dignity and the value of life.

 

[jwinch2]

Even that will only reduce them. Of course this should be pursued, but I would like to add there is another way to greatly reduce abortions and that is reducing the number of women who are willing to have abortions, through evangelization and changing the culture of death. We need to revitalize the understanding of innate human dignity and the value of life.

You are correct of course that it will not stop them to elect Romney instead of Obama. You are also correct that it will take a fundamental shift in the hearts and minds of Americans for things to change radically enough to get rid of abortion all together. However, that does not mean that great good cannot be done in the meantime.

In states with actively pro-life governors we have seen the rise of ultrasound laws which seem to be having a significant impact on women considering abortion. Abortion supporters hate these laws for a reason. We have seen in some states an increase in the requirements for abortion performing doctors to have privileges at a local hospital to perform surgery at an outpatient clinic, which has led to the closure of many many abortion clinics. In Mississippi this has led to the closure of all but one abortion clinic in the state and in my previous diocese a clinic just closed in the last couple of weeks because of these requirements. We have seen the federal government in some cases challenging those things in lawsuits in an attempt to stem the tide of life because they know that they are losing issues for them.

All of those things can be impacted *without *overturning Roe vs. Wade and lead to significant numbers of lives being saved in the process. But, they will not happen if pro-life politicians are not in office. If more pro-life politicians put together ultrasound laws, that might help our case to convince the public of the cause of life altogether.

Its a shame no, a crime, to think that because we cannot win the war in one single victory, the individual battles are not worth fighting. I’m not saying that is what you are suggesting, but there are many on CAF who have in recent months when this topic comes up.

 

[je333]

Je333

His administration has attacked the Catholic church, starting with his HHS secretary pushing this Mandate that basically says Catholic run charities aren’t Religious enough because they serve people of ALL FAITHS.

No his administration has not attacked the Catholic Church. He has appointed many Catholics in top government positions. He is willing to work with the Catholic Church and visited many Catholic institutions and met with the Pope in the Vatican!