Do you also attend Novus Ordo Masses?

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I hope Melanie didn’t mean regret. I travel 35 miles almost every Sunday to the Pittsburgh Latin Community Mass at St. Boniface. Weather or other circumstances occassionally prevent me from doing so. I believe the bread and wine are truly consecrated in the Novus Ordo Mass, however, the liturgy that surrounds it is incomparable to the Traditional Latin Liturgy. It is hard to participate in the protestant liturgy that surrounds the Consecration. I fell for the Vatican II says we have to do this and we have to change that for 40 years. Information available later on the computer and various books and the availability of the Documents from the council and a lot of prayers opened my eyes. I realized what I had lost. The real trancendence from earthly concerns and humbly and prayerfully placing myself in the presence of God. The supposed “Active Participation” of the Novus Ordo mass is truly more of a distraction.
 
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I hope Melanie didn’t mean regret. I travel 35 miles almost every Sunday to the Pittsburgh Latin Community Mass at St. Boniface. Weather or other circumstances occassionally prevent me from doing so. I believe the bread and wine are truly consecrated in the Novus Ordo Mass, however, the liturgy that surrounds it is incomparable to the Traditional Latin Liturgy. It is hard to participate in the protestant liturgy that surrounds the Consecration. I fell for the Vatican II says we have to do this and we have to change that for 40 years. Information available later on the computer and various books and the availability of the Documents from the council and a lot of prayers opened my eyes. I realized what I had lost. The real trancendence from earthly concerns and humbly and prayerfully placing myself in the presence of God. The supposed “Active Participation” of the Novus Ordo mass is truly more of a distraction.
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We are talking here about personal preference. The Novus ordo Mass you describe is a kind I’ve never been to. But the key is that we are there to worship the Lord and receive the body and blood of Christ. As long as we’re able to do that IMO the liturgy the surrounds it is a minor detail.
 
I get stuck with taking my mother-in-law to church once in a while, and it’s to a NO Mass with lousy music. However, I like having everyone holding hands while saying the Are Father Prayer.

In my opinion, if the Catholics would simply hire professional musicians it would cure most of their problems, because music is central to contemporary worship. It was a giant step forward in 1969 when the mass was integrated with Protestantism, but they really fell short on the music side.

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holy_roamer said:
I get stuck with taking my mother-in-law to church once in a while, and it’s to a NO Mass with lousy music. However, I like having everyone holding hands while saying the Are Father Prayer.

In my opinion, if the Catholics would simply hire professional musicians it would cure most of their problems, because music is central to contemporary worship. It was a giant step forward in 1969 when the mass was integrated with Protestantism, but they really fell short on the music side.

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So Mass is a concert for our amusement, and if there’s good music, it makes the Mass better. Bad music, phhffff… what a chore.

THAT sounds Protestant.
 
Melanie01 said:
I have attended the occasional NO service when travelling and bitterly regret it every single time…there is hardly a point of reference for me…I say the rosary
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That’s very sad. Tragic actually. Anyone who “bitterly regret(s)” attending any legitimate Holy Sacrifice of the Mass could in no way really understand the Mass. Impossible. Particularly if they choose to pray the Rosary during the actual Mass. Does your spiritual director know about this? You might want to tell them.
 
estesbob said:
We are talking here about personal preference. The Novus ordo Mass you describe is a kind I’ve never been to. But the key is that we are there to worship the Lord and receive the body and blood of Christ. As long as we’re able to do that IMO the liturgy the surrounds it is a minor detail.
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WOW! Your there to worship God and the liturgy is a minor detail? You’ve never been to the kind of liturgy I described? Open your eyes your up to your ears in it.
 
Silver_Thread said:
WOW! Your there to worship God and the liturgy is a minor detail? You’ve never been to the kind of liturgy I described? Open your eyes your up to your ears in it.
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EVERYTIHNG pales in comparison to holding Our Lord and Savior in my hands and consuming his body and drinking his blood. That is what I am foucsed on. To me the Mass is about HIM-to you it appears it is about YOU.
 
Silver_Thread said:
I hope Melanie didn’t mean regret. I travel 35 miles almost every Sunday to the Pittsburgh Latin Community Mass at St. Boniface. Weather or other circumstances occassionally prevent me from doing so. I believe the bread and wine are truly consecrated in the Novus Ordo Mass, however, the liturgy that surrounds it is incomparable to the Traditional Latin Liturgy. It is hard to participate in the protestant liturgy that surrounds the Consecration. I fell for the Vatican II says we have to do this and we have to change that for 40 years. Information available later on the computer and various books and the availability of the Documents from the council and a lot of prayers opened my eyes. I realized what I had lost. The real trancendence from earthly concerns and humbly and prayerfully placing myself in the presence of God. The supposed “Active Participation” of the Novus Ordo mass is truly more of a distraction.
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Another very tragic posting. The Mass of Pope Paul VI is in no way a “protestant liturgy.” That is a very ugly and ignorant slur. Such comments really underscore a basic lack of understanding the meaning of the Mass and its history.

The Tridentine Mass as we pretty much know it dates from the late 16th century (it’s actually younger than the Reformation) and bears little resemblance to the Mass offered in the first century Church or even the first millennial Church. Many argue the Mass of Pope Paul VI is far closer in form to the Mass in the early church, and historical fact appears to be on their side.

Just watch the Sunday Mass on EWTN to see just how beautiful the Mass of Pope Paul VI can be celebrated. Imagine EWTN celebrating the Mass as they do in some gorgeous cathedral somewhere. It would easily stack-up to anything this side of Heaven.

So while I love both the Tridentine Mass and the Pauline Mass, I am seeing a very serious problem with some people who seem to hate the Pauline Mass. That’s a bad thing from any angle. That’s something they need to address as it is in no way spiritually healthy.
 
Why don’t you guys knock-it-off. Everyone perceives the mass differently.
 
estesbob said:
EVERYTIHNG pales in comparison to holding Our Lord and Savior in my hands and consuming his body and drinking his blood. That is what I am foucsed on. To me the Mass is about HIM-to you it appears it is about YOU.
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Actually the PRIMARY reason Catholic Christians are required to attend the Mass over 50 times a year is the grace gained from being at the foot of the cross during the ultimate sacrifice at Calvary.

Consuming His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity (which we are required to at least once a year) is indeed supernaturally and awesomely profound, but the actual sacrifice is of primary importance.
 
Discipline said:
Actually the PRIMARY reason Catholic Christians are required to attend the Mass over 50 times a year is the grace gained from being at the foot of the cross during the ultimate sacrifice at Calvary.

Consuming His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity (which we are required to at least once a year)** is indeed supernaturally and awesomely profound, but the actual sacrifice is of primary importance.**
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Which happens regardless of how much one personally likes a particular Mass.
 
I have mainly been attending the NO because the diocesan indult is a 40 minute drive each way. Health issues make it difficult for me to drive that far each Sunday. However, my parish will begin offering the Tridentine Mass this Sunday for every Sunday. I’m hoping to be able to attend every Sunday.
 
Both. I used to go TLM almost every Sunday and NO during the week when my parish offered the TLM. Since I have moved, I have been going primaily to NO but I get to the TLM now and then—as I will this coming Friday 😃
 
estesbob said:
I am curious -on the Masses you bitterly regret going to do .you receive communion? If so how can you possibly have bitterness and regret about having our Lord and Savior in your hands and then eating his body and drinking his blood? Is the Mass becoming about you rather than about HIM?
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…absolutely not, that would be tremendously hippocritical of me, I feel the services I have found so disturbing a disservice to God rather than the reverse. I believe there are reverent and dignified NO Masses but I have not attended one as of yet…
 
I attend the TLM exclusively, as there is a FSSP parish 20 minutes away from me. I do this not because the music is better there than at a NO parish (although it is), but because the Mass is reverent and not treated as entertainment. I think that is the crux of the matter. When the mass is about being entertained, it becomes about us, rather than God. When it is irreverent, we cannot focus on God, but end up becoming inadvertant theater critics. When I was going to a NO parish, I was always thinking stuff like, “Why are we holding hands during the Our Father? Are the prayers being made up? Is this in the rubrics?” During the TLM, I don’t have to worry about that.
 
Still praying for one close to us. But the good news is that we now have one 45 mins in each direction.🙂
 
lucybeebee said:
I attend the TLM exclusively, as there is a FSSP parish 20 minutes away from me. I do this not because the music is better there than at a NO parish (although it is), but because the Mass is reverent and not treated as entertainment. I think that is the crux of the matter. When the mass is about being entertained, it becomes about us, rather than God. When it is irreverent, we cannot focus on God, but end up becoming inadvertant theater critics. When I was going to a NO parish, I was always thinking stuff like, “Why are we holding hands during the Our Father? Are the prayers being made up? Is this in the rubrics?” During the TLM, I don’t have to worry about that.
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Thanks for posting that, because it’s exactly why I bailed out. My first wife had died at age 30, and left me with small children to raise. Besides the emotional problems of loosing a beautiful young wife, I needed people to help me with the kids. I assume that many divorced women are in the same situation today, and must move to a Charismatic support group where people care for one another. The lively Charismatic music and hand clapping actually does make the hurt go away, well, not permanently, but at least while in fellowship with people who care about you.

Now that those emotional problems are years behind me, and I have remarried and raised a second family, I can afford to sit in the solitude of an evening Tridentine Mass and ponder. I am really enjoying myself during these later years, but I still miss holding hands with the rest of the congregation during the Lord’s Prayer. Believe it or not, for some poor souls, that tiny bit of humanism is the only thing that is holding them together.

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