Do you also attend Novus Ordo Masses?

[holy_roamer]

Maybe the fact that you equate the Real Presence to a “wafer” has something to do with your lack of ability to see how God ministers to us through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Just a thought.

You are absolutely correct, and before you tell me something that you read out of a book, I would like to hear about your real life experiences.

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[paramedicgirl]

You are absolutely correct, and before you tell me something that you read out of a book, I would like to hear about your real life experiences.

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Not sure what you mean. My real life experience on what?

 

[estesbob]

You are absolutely correct, and before you tell me something that you read out of a book, I would like to hear about your real life experiences.

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? Do you believe in the real presence? Do you believe in apostolic succession? Do you believe the Catholic Church is the one true Church? Or are these beliefs beneath you because they are contained in a book?

 

[Allen537]

I know you were addressing someone else here, but I find it nearly impossible to pray the NO Mass. Too many distractions and not enough reverence. It makes it very difficult to pray. Holy Mass should be where heaven meets earth, and people should be immersed in prayer at this most sacred event. That is what I find at the TLM.

So how would you respond to the Second Vatican Council’s call for an “active participation of the faithful in the liturgy”. I believe whole-heartedly that the Mass should be a place of revernece and prayer, and I can see how some places where the NO is celebrated it can be difficult to enter into a prayful spirit (Especially when the priest isn’t being reverent himself, or committing abuses). But at what point do does the Mass become a “prayer service”, in the sense that the people simply pray and recieve the sacrament. Where do we draw the line between going to pray and recieve the sacrament, and fully participating in the Mass, as Mother Church has called us to do.

 

[paramedicgirl]

So how would you respond to the Second Vatican Council’s call for an “active participation of the faithful in the liturgy”. I believe whole-heartedly that the Mass should be a place of revernece and prayer, and I can see how some places where the NO is celebrated it can be difficult to enter into a prayful spirit (Especially when the priest isn’t being reverent himself, or committing abuses). But at what point do does the Mass become a “prayer service”, in the sense that the people simply pray and recieve the sacrament. Where do we draw the line between going to pray and recieve the sacrament, and fully participating in the Mass, as Mother Church has called us to do.

Active participation of the Mass does not have to mean bodily movements. It is more properly meant to be a prayerful participation, where one elevates their heart and mind to God in prayerful meditation of the Holy Mass, following along with the Sacred Mysteries that are unfolding at the altar by uniting themselves in prayer to everything the priest does. It is truly your witness of when heaven meets earth at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

 

[holy_roamer]

Not sure what you mean. My real life experience on what?

In case you haven’t heard, Protestants view the communion as a symbolic gesture rather than a sacrifice. Also, Protestants are welcome at all Catholic Masses, and also welcome to this forum in spite of our beliefs. I think that it’s odd that certain members of this forum are ignorant of these facts, and blatantly jump on top of visiting Protestants.

The people who have bailed out of the Catholic church had a good reason, and they are usually willing to share their experiences with the Catholics. That is why I would like to hear some real life experiences from the other side rather than just propaganda out of a book.

And yes, I am a Protestant Charismatic, and have fellowshipped with thousands of Catholic Charismatics. We are, more or less, non-denominational.

Getting back on topic, I enjoy both the NO and Tridentine Masses, but due to the fact that during the Novus Ordo Mass the congregation holds hands during the Lord’s Prayer, I must cling to the tiny bit of waferless humanism.

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[estesbob]

In case you haven’t heard, Protestants view the communion as a symbolic gesture rather than a sacrifice. Also, Protestants are welcome at all Catholic Masses, and also welcome to this forum in spite of our beliefs. I think that it’s odd that certain members of this forum are ignorant of these facts, and blatantly jump on top of visiting Protestants.

The people who have bailed out of the Catholic church had a good reason, and they are usually willing to share their experiences with the Catholics. That is why I would like to hear some real life experiences from the other side rather than just propaganda out of a book.

And yes, I am a Protestant Charismatic, and have fellowshipped with thousands of Catholic Charismatics. We are, more or less, non-denominational.

Getting back on topic, I enjoy both the NO and Tridentine Masses, but due to the fact that during the Novus Ordo Mass the congregation holds hands during the Lord’s Prayer, I must cling to the tiny bit of waferless humanism.

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Some congregations hold hands-some do not. It is NOT part of the prescribed rubrics for a Novus Ordo Mass. This, of course, is just one of the many things you really dont understand about the Catholic Church, The sad part is you THINK you know enough about our Church to tell us how to worship.If you want to be entertained go to the movies To be honest you really have nothing to teach us other than as an example of what happens to those who reject the Church. and put emotion above Faith.

You complain about the way you are treated yet you came to a Catholic Forum and belittle the Eucharist as a wafer??? POT>KETTLE>BLACK.

 

[paramedicgirl]

In case you haven’t heard, Protestants view the communion as a symbolic gesture rather than a sacrifice. Also, Protestants are welcome at all Catholic Masses, and also welcome to this forum in spite of our beliefs. I think that it’s odd that certain members of this forum are ignorant of these facts, and blatantly jump on top of visiting Protestants.

The people who have bailed out of the Catholic church had a good reason, and they are usually willing to share their experiences with the Catholics. That is why I would like to hear some real life experiences from the other side rather than just propaganda out of a book.

And yes, I am a Protestant Charismatic, and have fellowshipped with thousands of Catholic Charismatics. We are, more or less, non-denominational.

Getting back on topic, I enjoy both the NO and Tridentine Masses, but due to the fact that during the Novus Ordo Mass the congregation holds hands during the Lord’s Prayer, I must cling to the tiny bit of waferless humanism.

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Sorry I can’t help you with your request. My life is experiences are way too long to even fit in a book, never mind in a single post!

 

[paramedicgirl]

Some congregations hold hands-some do not. It is NOT part of the prescribed rubrics for a Novus Ordo Mass. This, of course, is just one of the many things you really dont understand about the Catholic Church, The sad part is you THINK you know enough about our Church to tell us how to worship.If you want to be entertained go to the movies To be honest you really have nothing to teach us other than as an example of what happens to those who reject the Church. and put emotion above Faith.

You complain about the way you are treated yet you came to a Catholic Forum and belittle the Eucharist as a wafer??? POT>KETTLE>BLACK.

Good point, and, as I recall, we are reprimanded here if we were to do the reverse, that is, referring to a Protestant Communion as simply a wafer, when it may mean much more to the person than what that statement implies. Go figure.

 

[Silver_Thread]

This is my last post on this subject…I hope! When VII was being implemented in our church it was 1974. I was 32. I sang in the choir, on Council, Bazaar Comm. Youth Advisor, one of first Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist, I recommended we move the altar and turn the pews around.in our church. When I asked questions about certain changes, I accepted the dumbed down answers I received. I was a good catholic! Then I began to study the VII documents that became available to the general public. Other writers began to publish various takes on the Council. After 5 years of prayer and study. I gave it all up left my parish and joined a “Legal” Latin community. During the first High Mass I attended I cried and prayed for forgiveness for turning my back on such a beautiful liturgy. Hopefully I’ll be able to attend a Latin Mass closer to home and get involved in a local church. But till then I’ll drive 35 miles every Sunday. (Weather permitting )

 

[KathleenElsie]

This is why we stick around: The fact that the priest is there and is visibly a man of the altar trying to sanctify himself and others has effects on us visitors.
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And yet you still have not returned to Holy Mother church. I will keep your reverting in my prayers.

 

[LovedMyAlydar]

I think I can relate to what the poster said about regretting their choice to go to NO masses.

Take our local church for example. It’s closer than the TLM and I have had to go to it a few times in the last few years to attend mass.

Honestly, I would have been better off staying at home watching the mass for shutins and got more out of it. When you come to church before mass to say some prayers and have folks talking very loudly like they are at a ball game, coming in dressed like their going to go play ball or weed the garden, kids running up and down the aisles, dropping food and drink all over the pews, being passed back and forth over the pews to mom and grandma, etc., the “music ministry” composed of electric guitars and drums which they don’t play very well, etc. Add to that they are playing the “christian rock” tunes.

That is church and a holy sacrifice? I just cannot get into a religious state of mind with this nonsence going on. Add to that the fact that come time to shake hands people are sucking face and the altar servers are to run up and down the aisles to shake as many hands as possible. Give me a break. Some guy hacking his head off and then he wants to shake my hand??? Not. Then they stand all through communion and afterwards, talking of course not preparing to receive Jesus. Drop a host, no problem, just pick it up and off you go. Folding hands? What is that. It’s grap a host and go, hands in your pocket or arms swinging back and forth. Oye. Enough already.

So do I regret going, yes and no. No because I need to attend mass, yes because this fluff is not mass, it is a social get together where people come to anything but pray.

They have a new pastor now so things may change but I don’t even bother attending anymore. I just attend my TLM and everyone is happy.

 

[KathleenElsie]

I know you were addressing someone else here, but I find it nearly impossible to pray the NO Mass. Too many distractions and not enough reverence. It makes it very difficult to pray. Holy Mass should be where heaven meets earth, and people should be immersed in prayer at this most sacred event. That is what I find at the TLM.

Our new NO priest ends the Holy Sacrifice with. “Go this Eucharist celebration is ended.” I then get on my knees and finish with prayers that let God know I was there for the sacrifice of the Holy Mass. Our new priest ending just makes me feel that things a not done.

 

[KathleenElsie]

In case you haven’t heard, Protestants view the communion as a symbolic gesture rather than a sacrifice. Also, Protestants are welcome at all Catholic Masses, and also welcome to this forum in spite of our beliefs. I think that it’s odd that certain members of this forum are ignorant of these facts, and blatantly jump on top of visiting Protestants.

The people who have bailed out of the Catholic church had a good reason, and they are usually willing to share their experiences with the Catholics. That is why I would like to hear some real life experiences from the other side rather than just propaganda out of a book.

And yes, I am a Protestant Charismatic, and have fellowshipped with thousands of Catholic Charismatics. We are, more or less, non-denominational.

Getting back on topic, I enjoy both the NO and Tridentine Masses, but due to the fact that during the Novus Ordo Mass the congregation holds hands during the Lord’s Prayer, I must cling to the tiny bit of waferless humanism.
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You seem to forget that you told us you were a Catholic at one time. This puts your post in a very different light IMHO.

 

[holy_roamer]

Some congregations hold hands-some do not. It is NOT part of the prescribed rubrics for a Novus Ordo Mass. This, of course, is just one of the many things you really dont understand about the Catholic Church, The sad part is you THINK you know enough about our Church to tell us how to worship.If you want to be entertained go to the movies To be honest you really have nothing to teach us other than as an example of what happens to those who reject the Church. and put emotion above Faith.

You complain about the way you are treated yet you came to a Catholic Forum and belittle the Eucharist as a wafer??? POT>KETTLE>BLACK.

So, you don‘t like me? Big deal. Go ahead and tell me something new. You can’t even stay on topic while blasting me.

Getting back on topic, I have the pleasure of taking my mother-in-law to church, and she is a Catholic. We were late returning home one weekend, so I had to take her way out to Livermore to a Sunday 6:00 PM Novus Ordo Mass. It turns out that this Catholic church is very progressive with guitars and everything. They were singing lively Christian music and the leader was encouraging the congregation to clap, so we did. During the homily the priest had one of those wireless microphones and walked around like Jimmy Swaggart preaching a good sermon. Plus, we all held hands during the Lord’s Prayer. One of the clergy was only a minister and the other was a priest. They both were at the front door of the church to shake our hands and talk to the congregation as the left the church. Everybody seem happy.

My mother-in-law being in the same mindset as some of you guys said, “We will never go there again!” I as saddened, because I really had a good time romping around with those guys. They were almost Protestants.

Based on that real life experience, I wont let anything that you wrote about me sink in, because they are not all like you. Praise God!

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[paramedicgirl]

So, you don‘t like me? Big deal. Go ahead and tell me something new. You can’t even stay on topic while blasting me.

Getting back on topic, I have the pleasure of taking my mother-in-law to church, and she is a Catholic. We were late returning home one weekend, so I had to take her way out to Livermore to a Sunday 6:00 PM Novus Ordo Mass. It turns out that this Catholic church is very progressive with guitars and everything. They were singing lively Christian music and the leader was encouraging the congregation to clap, so we did. During the homily the priest had one of those wireless microphones and walked around like Jimmy Swaggart preaching a good sermon. Plus, we all held hands during the Lord’s Prayer. One of the clergy was only a minister and the other was a priest. They both were at the front door of the church to shake our hands and talk to the congregation as the left the church. Everybody seem happy.

My mother-in-law being in the same mindset as some of you guys said, “We will never go there again!” I was saddened, because I really had a good time romping around with those guys. They were almost Protestants.

Based on that real life experience, I wont let anything that you wrote about me sink in, because they are not all like you. Praise God!

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And that about sums it up.

 

[estesbob]

So, you don‘t like me? Big deal. Go ahead and tell me something new. You can’t even stay on topic while blasting me.

Where diodyou get the idea i didnt like you? I feel sorry for you.- you had the whole truth in your hands and walked away from it

Getting back on topic, I have the pleasure of taking my mother-in-law to church, and she is a Catholic. We were late returning home one weekend, so I had to take her way out to Livermore to a Sunday 6:00 PM Novus Ordo Mass. It turns out that this Catholic church is very progressive with guitars and everything. They were singing lively Christian music and the leader was encouraging the congregation to clap, so we did. During the homily the priest had one of those wireless microphones and walked around like Jimmy Swaggart preaching a good sermon. Plus, we all held hands during the Lord’s Prayer. One of the clergy was only a minister and the other was a priest. They both were at the front door of the church to shake our hands and talk to the congregation as the left the church. Everybody seem happy.

Glad you were entertained. Did they hand out wafers?

My mother-in-law being in the same mindset as some of you guys said, “We will never go there again!” I as saddened, because I really had a good time romping around with those guys. They were almost Protestants.

Based on that real life experience, I wont let anything that you wrote about me sink in, because they are not all like you. Praise God!

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No need for anything to sink in-its all about you, remember? PesonallyI am a lot more inspired by HIS life experiences and the Church HE founded-but each to his own.

 

[Melanie01]

I think I can relate to what the poster said about regretting their choice to go to NO masses.

Take our local church for example. It’s closer than the TLM and I have had to go to it a few times in the last few years to attend mass.

Honestly, I would have been better off staying at home watching the mass for shutins and got more out of it. When you come to church before mass to say some prayers and have folks talking very loudly like they are at a ball game, coming in dressed like their going to go play ball or weed the garden, kids running up and down the aisles, dropping food and drink all over the pews, being passed back and forth over the pews to mom and grandma, etc., the “music ministry” composed of electric guitars and drums which they don’t play very well, etc. Add to that they are playing the “christian rock” tunes.

That is church and a holy sacrifice? I just cannot get into a religious state of mind with this nonsence going on. Add to that the fact that come time to shake hands people are sucking face and the altar servers are to run up and down the aisles to shake as many hands as possible. Give me a break. Some guy hacking his head off and then he wants to shake my hand??? Not. Then they stand all through communion and afterwards, talking of course not preparing to receive Jesus. Drop a host, no problem, just pick it up and off you go. Folding hands? What is that. It’s grap a host and go, hands in your pocket or arms swinging back and forth. Oye. Enough already.

**So do I regret going, yes and no. No because I need to attend mass, yes because this fluff is not mass, it is a social get together where people come to anything but pray. **

They have a new pastor now so things may change but I don’t even bother attending anymore. I just attend my TLM and everyone is happy.

See my emphasis…sums it up very well, I felt as if I was in a bingo hall with the yahooing etc…

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I go to both. Saturday evening at my NO parish, Sunday morning at my TLM parish and weekday Masses a mixture of the 2.

:heart:Blyss

 

[estesbob]

See my emphasis…sums it up very well, I felt as if I was in a bingo hall with the yahooing etc…

Oh well that settles it once and for all!

When I was about nine Msgr. Spurlock thre the finger tell back in my face after the washing of the hands a the offertory. That was a Tridentine mass so I guess based upon the assumptions in this thread I can say without a doubt Tridentine mass is fatally flawed. It leads to angry priests and ugly confrontations,

Anyone who doesn’t think there are liturgical abuses during Tridentine mass’s hasn’t been to many.

What disturbs most about this thread is those who feel they have to slime the Novus Ordo Mass in order to justify their attendance of Tridentine masses.