Do you also attend Novus Ordo Masses?

[estesbob]

…absolutely not, that would be tremendously hippocritical of me, I feel the services I have found so disturbing a disservice to God rather than the reverse. I believe there are reverent and dignified NO Masses but I have not attended one as of yet…

Then in good conscience you should not receive Communion in a service you claim is as a disservice to God. Since the Mass you disapprove of so much of much was approved by the magisterium and wonder what you base your opinion that such masses are disservice to God?

.I have no problems with people to want to go to the Tridentine Mass nor do I have a problem with people who want to go to happy clappy charismatic Mass. What disturbs me is when I hear Catholics say they bitterly regret attending a Mass that they dont like or that a Mass that does not meet their approval does a disservice to God. To me it is clear that for these people to Mass has become about them not HIM.

 

[holy_roamer]

Then in good conscience you should not receive Communion in a service you claim is as a disservice to God. Since the Mass you disapprove of so much of much was approved by the magisterium and wonder what you base your opinion that such masses are disservice to God?

You brought up a good point about not receiving Communion in one of the Masses. Quite a few contemporary Catholics have drifted away from the Rosary, and the Tridentine Low Mass has 3 Hail Mary’s in the Prayers after Low Mass. Maybe, Communion in the Tridentine High Mass and not during the Low Mass would be best for those Catholic who are not particularly fond of the Rosary? Like myself, they may enjoy the Last Gospel and the prayer to Saint Michael, the Archangel, and not receive Communion. It’s going to be interesting to see how all these different Masses converge into one church, not to mention getting the Protestants involved.

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[mtr01]

The Tridentine Mass as we pretty much know it dates from the late 16th century (it’s actually younger than the Reformation) and bears little resemblance to the Mass offered in the first century Church or even the first millennial Church. Many argue the Mass of Pope Paul VI is far closer in form to the Mass in the early church, and historical fact appears to be on their side.

Just a minor note. The above is actually historically inaccurate, as most of the rubrics of what we would call the “Tridentine” Mass were in place by the early 600’s. In fact, using one’s 1962 missal, one could follow along with a Mass celebrated in the 7th century extremely well without getting lost.

Someone posted a timeline of the Roman Rite which demonstrated this very clearly a few years back. I’ll search for it, and hopefully it survived the “great crash”.

 

[estesbob]

You brought up a good point about not receiving Communion in one of the Masses. Quite a few contemporary Catholics have drifted away from the Rosary, and the Tridentine Low Mass has 3 Hail Mary’s in the Prayers after Low Mass. Maybe, Communion in the Tridentine High Mass and not during the Low Mass would be best for those Catholic who are not particularly fond of the Rosary? Like myself, they may enjoy the Last Gospel and the prayer to Saint Michael, the Archangel, and not receive Communion. It’s going to be interesting to see how all these different Masses converge into one church, not to mention getting the Protestants involved.

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I dont think one should refrain from Communion because they not fond of the Rosary. However I do think a person who claims that a validly celebrated Mass does a disservice to God should think twice before receiving Communion. In addition since they have rejected the authority of the Church one wonders why they still stick around?

 

[Yellow_Belle]

I attend Novus Ordo Masses exclusively and by choice.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

The Novus Ordo is valid but over time it has been, in places, filled with personal vagaries of some priests. Maybe “improvisation” is a better word…discipline is lost by these liberties.

The Latin Mass has no allowances for “improv” because it is literal in its read and could not be changed at whim because it is in Latin and the faithful follow the verbial aspects with their missals.

The “improvs” add to the “Suffering Church” since it departs from the precise wordings. If and when the Latin Mass is made available here I will attend it almost exclusively. That is where my heart is.

 

[holy_roamer]

I dont think one should refrain from Communion because they not fond of the Rosary. However I do think a person who claims that a validly celebrated Mass does a disservice to God should think twice before receiving Communion. In addition since they have rejected the authority of the Church one wonders why they still stick around?

This is why we stick around: The fact that the priest is there and is visibly a man of the altar trying to sanctify himself and others has effects on us visitors.

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[Silver_Thread]

Another very tragic posting. The Mass of Pope Paul VI is in no way a “protestant liturgy.” That is a very ugly and ignorant slur. Such comments really underscore a basic lack of understanding the meaning of the Mass and its history.

The Tridentine Mass as we pretty much know it dates from the late 16th century (it’s actually younger than the Reformation) and bears little resemblance to the Mass offered in the first century Church or even the first millennial Church. Many argue the Mass of Pope Paul VI is far closer in form to the Mass in the early church, and historical fact appears to be on their side.

Just watch the Sunday Mass on EWTN to see just how beautiful the Mass of Pope Paul VI can be celebrated. Imagine EWTN celebrating the Mass as they do in some gorgeous cathedral somewhere. It would easily stack-up to anything this side of Heaven.

So while I love both the Tridentine Mass and the Pauline Mass, I am seeing a very serious problem with some people who seem to hate the Pauline Mass. That’s a bad thing from any angle. That’s something they need to address as it is in no way spiritually healthy.

I do not hate the Mass of Paul VI. Yes on rare occassions it can be celebrated better but those occassions are few and far between… The only thing catholic about it is the Eucharist. You need to research the history of VII. The stated intent of the protestant periti (experts) who collaborated on the Liturgical schema was to make the Catholic Mass to resemble as much as possible the mainstream protestant liturgy and that was accomplished. Why moved the Tabernacles? To make non believes in the real presence feel more comfortable. over 50% of catholics do not believe in the real presence. If you forsake Tradition you forsake your roots. The Tridentine Mass was handed down to us from our ancestors.It was carefully guarded and on rare occassion added to. 1500 years of Tradition were ignored by Vatican II. Tragic!!!

 

[Silver_Thread]

I have mainly been attending the NO because the diocesan indult is a 40 minute drive each way. Health issues make it difficult for me to drive that far each Sunday. However, my parish will begin offering the Tridentine Mass this Sunday for every Sunday. I’m hoping to be able to attend every Sunday.

Good for you and God Bless, you will be richly rewarded.

 

[estesbob]

This is why we stick around: The fact that the priest is there and is visibly a man of the altar trying to sanctify himself and others has effects on us visitors.

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I thought we stuck around because the Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself. But then perhaps that’s another example of me putting HIM over me.

 

[Ad_Deum]

I do not attend the Novus Ordo Mass because I’m already attending a Catholic Liturgy which is the Traditional Laitn Mass. The Pope granted us a universal indult, so TLM is the Mass that I prefer.

Pax
Laudater Jesus Christus
Instaurare omnia in Christo

 

[historybrat]

I would love to attend a TLM mass, but the closest one currently offered is nearly three hours away through the mountains. It’s just not feasible for me to go, but when I visit family there in a couple of weeks, I’m going to go. I go to the local NO mass, it is not very reverent but I go every Sunday because the priest does do a pretty good homily. About 45 minutes away is the next parish and their NO mass is fairly reverent so I try to get over there every couple of weeks for confession and Saturday Vigil mass.

If there was a TLM mass that was closer I would probably go exclusively to that one.

Historybrat

 

[holy_roamer]

I thought we stuck around because the Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself. But then perhaps that’s another example of me putting HIM over me.

I have been there and done that. For quite a while, in fact. Yes, a wafer did the trick for me up until the time that my first wife died. Then, I found out that God ministers through other people a lot better than through a wafer. Been with the Charismatics ever since.

It will take a tragic event in your life before you will see it the way I do. I pray that God will spare you.

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[paramedicgirl]

I have been there and done that. For quite a while, in fact. Yes, a wafer did the trick for me up until the time that my first wife died. Then, I found out that God ministers through other people a lot better than through a wafer. Been with the Charismatics ever since.

It will take a tragic event in your life before you will see it the way I do. I pray that God will spare you.

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Maybe the fact that you equate the Real Presence to a “wafer” has something to do with your lack of ability to see how God ministers to us through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Just a thought.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

I have been there and done that. For quite a while, in fact. Yes, a wafer did the trick for me up until the time that my first wife died. Then, I found out that God ministers through other people a lot better than through a wafer. Been with the Charismatics ever since.

It will take a tragic event in your life before you will see it the way I do. I pray that God will spare you.

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“…God ministers through other people a lot better than through a wafer…”

In all charity, my brother, this mindset is heretical. This is a non-Catholic pursuit done with the mind and heart. Calling the Eucharist “a wafer” is a denial of the Real Presence.

Jesus said, “…if any man denies Me before other men, I will deny him before the Father…”

Caution, you are venturing into the soul-losing perception called, “HERESY.”

 

[estesbob]

I have been there and done that. For quite a while, in fact. Yes, a wafer did the trick for me up until the time that my first wife died. Then, I found out that God ministers through other people a lot better than through a wafer. Been with the Charismatics ever since.

It will take a tragic event in your life before you will see it the way I do. I pray that God will spare you.

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It will be a tragic indeed indeed if I start looking upon the body and blood of our Lord and Savior as a wafer. Having attended many many charismatic masses I know you are in the minority in this callous attitude towards the real presence. Unless of course you’re talking about non-Catholic charismatics in which case you have traded emotion for substance even more.

 

[estesbob]

Maybe the fact that you equate the Real Presence to a “wafer” has something to do with your lack of ability to see how God ministers to us through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Just a thought.

We know that those most who belong to the charismatic movement don’t have that attitude. I suspect charismatics in this thread are red with embarrassment.

 

[Allen537]

I pray at both Mass’

The Extraordinary Parish’s Near me are at least 30 miles away and I can’t always make that drive for Daily Mass -

So when I drop my Son’s off at the Catholic pre-K School at 7:45am its very easy to pray at the 8 AM daily mass there -

If I had the means to attend the Extraordinary Mass only on a daily basis I would but Since I can’t I will Pray at the N.O.

Here in Kansas City we have the ICRSS, FSSP, and SSPX but since we have a option for the Extraordinary form with groups that are in FULL communion with Rome we will not go to the SSPX chapel.

We have been only once to the SSPX chapel and that was this last Friday and I only attended after I got permission from the Msgr. at the Chancery of the Diocese

Why would you only Pray at the NO Mass. Why would you not want to fully participate in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?

 

[estesbob]

Why would you only Pray at the NO Mass. Why would you not want to fully participate in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?

Exactly. We should not get more hung about the the way the sacrifice is celebrated than we are about to sacrifice itself.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Why would you only Pray at the NO Mass. Why would you not want to fully participate in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?

I know you were addressing someone else here, but I find it nearly impossible to pray the NO Mass. Too many distractions and not enough reverence. It makes it very difficult to pray. Holy Mass should be where heaven meets earth, and people should be immersed in prayer at this most sacred event. That is what I find at the TLM.