Do You Attend An FSSP Parish?

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How would my situation be seen then? Single mother of 4 with no child support?

Anyway… I’m very excited! I just googled and found out that two FSSP priests from out of town come to my city to preform mass every Sunday at 8am! I want to go!!! They hold it in the chapel of the former Sisters of St Joesph’s monestary (they recently built a new LEED “Gold standard” home).

Is it the norm for women to wear a head covering then?

I wasn’t raised with Latin Mass at all. Did any of you specifically study Latin for this purpose?
 
Is it the norm for women to wear a head covering then?

I wasn’t raised with Latin Mass at all. Did any of you specifically study Latin for this purpose?
Even though I was baptised before Vatican II (my parents were inactive “cradle Catholics” then) I had very little exposure to the Latin Mass as a kid. In fact I was a teenager (in the '70’s before I found out) Having studied (classical) Latin in high school as well as singing in Latin in the choir has helped me understand the Latin in the Mass a little bit.

I didn’t study Latin for that purpose though, but now I want to so I can understand the Mass better. The FSSP’s have a site you can visit to buy books having to do with the Latin Mass and traditional Catholicism fraternitypublications.com/ There are other sites that provide such materials. Fraternity Publications & other sites that offer traditional Catholic books do sell books for learning ecclesial or “church” Latin.

Some sites even have Latin books for homeschoolers. I gotta get to bed soon or I’d give you more sites to look at.

The head covering was a requirement for women and girls at Mass before Vatican II. Now it’s optional, but most of the girls and women I see at the Latin Mass I go to wear the veils.

I’ve gotten a couple veils on eBay, but you can get them from other sites. I’m browsing eBay for books on Latin and even bought a really cheap one last night.

-sparkie:)
 
StGerardMajella, I hope you took my post as one of support, as I agree with what you have said regarding the the difficulties families face. I don’t beleive there is any dogma regarding the family in these matters, just prudential guidance from tradition. Like I said, blanket chastisement for a certain working/stay at home arrangement seems to me inappropriate, as many factors may lie outside the individual family’s control.

Back to the original topic, though, I would say your experience is most likely a rare one, regarding the FSSP, so I would ask that you don’t let it color your opinion of all FSSP priests or communities. :o
Maybe not a rare experience - I’ve thought similar things about my local Latin FSSP mass. I found it hard to be a newcomer there. Not sure I will stay. 😦
 
… Fraternity Publications & other sites that offer traditional Catholic books do sell books for learning ecclesial or “church” Latin.
A bit off topic, but one thing I have noticed is that attending a Latin Mass really clues you in to how badly most people in academia and the media/hollywood mangle Latin pronunciation. Before, I didn’t know enough to care - now it’s like nails on a chalk board.
 
Ok. Forgive me, but I am fairly new to the faith (just confirmed on June 14th). So what are FSSP and SSPX? Sorry for the noob question. 🙂
 
I am very lucky to live near a city that has had the traditional Latin Mass done by a priest from the FSSP for about the last 12 years or so. Indianapolis. Our parish is celebrating our Centennial year this year, and I wonder if that would have even been possible without the Latin congregation and the OF congregation being so great at working together. We have a very good FSSP priest in Fr. Magiera and we are blessed with a growing parish census.

Thanks to God, this is all possible.
 
We have an Indult mass nearby, but there have been FSSP Priests that have visited and offered Mass.

Generally I don’t see a difference between the Traditional Diocesan Priests and FSSP Priests.

Though since I will be moving in August, and the closes Indult mass will be difficult to get to, I haven’t ruled out a SSPX Chapel.

Laus Deo
 
A bit off topic, but one thing I have noticed is that attending a Latin Mass really clues you in to how badly most people in academia and the media/hollywood mangle Latin pronunciation. Before, I didn’t know enough to care - now it’s like nails on a chalk board.
I studied Latin when I was in high school and sang songs in Latin in the choir. I was quite confused because the Latin teacher was having us pronounce the words one way and the choir director another. The choir director became aware of this problem and explained the difference between “church Latin” and classical Latin. The consonants in church Latin and classical Latin are pronounced differently. For example, the “v” in the classical Latin is pronounced like a “w” in English and in church Latin it is pronounced like a “v”. He said that the church Latin sounds like Italian. It does sound like Italian-I’m half Italian myself.😉

-sparkie:)
 
I attend a FSSP “community” in Harrisburg, PA. it has always been accepted by our wonderful bishop in the diocese of harrisburg. there are people of every age and they are discussing adding a 3rd mass on sunday. we switched to this community about 3 months ago and i love it. website is www.hbglatinmass.com
 
I studied Latin when I was in high school and sang songs in Latin in the choir. I was quite confused because the Latin teacher was having us pronounce the words one way and the choir director another. The choir director became aware of this problem and explained the difference between “church Latin” and classical Latin. The consonants in church Latin and classical Latin are pronounced differently. For example, the “v” in the classical Latin is pronounced like a “w” in English and in church Latin it is pronounced like a “v”. He said that the church Latin sounds like Italian. It does sound like Italian-I’m half Italian myself.😉

-sparkie:)
Huh - I didn’t know that! So phrases like “Veni, Vidi, Vici” would actually sound like “Weni, Widi, Wici”? (also, by the way how does the “ci” combo in vici sound - like “chi” as in chip, or like “ki” as in king? I’ve heard pronunciation of words like “coelos/caelos” with a hard “k” sound in non-ecclesiastical usages - is that correct?
 
pickguard,

In Church Latin, the “ci” would be “chee”, as in “cheese”.
I’ve heard pronunciation of words like “coelos/caelos” with a hard “k” sound in non-ecclesiastical usages - is that correct?
That’s right. “Coelos/Caelos” would be pronounced “Kai-los” in classical Latin (not Church Latin)
 
Huh - I didn’t know that! So phrases like “Veni, Vidi, Vici” would actually sound like “Weni, Widi, Wici”? (also, by the way how does the “ci” combo in vici sound - like “chi” as in chip, or like “ki” as in king? I’ve heard pronunciation of words like “coelos/caelos” with a hard “k” sound in non-ecclesiastical usages - is that correct?
Yep. And to my English speaking ears this classical Latin sounds kind of “vierd”-lol-especially vir the word for “man” (as in an adult male). In fact the way that word sounds in the classical Latin it does sound like the word “weird”.

And the c’s do sound like our letter “k” in classical Latin.

-sparkie;)
 
We have an Indult mass nearby, but there have been FSSP Priests that have visited and offered Mass.

Generally I don’t see a difference between the Traditional Diocesan Priests and FSSP Priests.

Though since I will be moving in August, and the closes Indult mass will be difficult to get to, I haven’t ruled out a SSPX Chapel.

Laus Deo
I’ve heard of both religious and diocesan priests saying the Tridentine Mass in the Roman Catholic Church. I’ve read that Mother Angelica started a community of celibate men to assist her nuns. Some of them would become priests and even say the Latin Mass in her chapel. Sometimes the FSSPs would say Mass in the chapel too.

Our Bishop has said the Latin Mass at my church last winter and the FSSP who normally celebrates the Mass and the pastor of the church who usually doesn’t say the Latin Mass were the concelebrants.

The FSSPs offer materials, including, DVDs and workshops to priests on how to say the Tridentine Mass.:)👍
 
Shin - In a normal economy, I would say that what you say is generally appropriate. The father does have a responsibility to provide for his family, and the mother should stay home with the children. In an ideal world.

(Unfortunately, we are not living in an ideal world right now economically speaking.)



I want a priest that understands reality. Not a priest that lives in some fantasy world and has no comprehension of what families are going through right now.

The FSSP priest that gave this sermon on this subject is so out of touch on this point, it’s pathetic.

This idea that the priest can humiliate his congregation over what - as far as I can tell - is most emphatically NOT Church doctrine (correct me if I am wrong), is absolutely ridiculous and flies totally in face of economic realities for many hard-working families.
St. Gerard Majella, wrongly accused by a lay woman of ill-repute, pray for us.

I am correcting you for being wrong. Yes, it is Church doctrine that the proper role of the wife is to be submissive and see the to upbringing of the children, while the husband is to love his wife and provide for the material well-being of the family (that does not mean he is not to care for his children and see to their education, etc., but that it is not his primary role). The Council of Trent so far assumes this that it says that the wife should not even presume to leave the house without her husband’s consent:
To train their children in the practice of virtue and to pay particular attention to their domestic concerns should also be especial objects of their [wives’] attention. The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave home without her husband’s consent.
The entire section is relevant:
The Duties of Married People
The more easily to preserve the holy state (of marriage) from dissensions, the duties of husband and wife as inculcated by St. Paul and by the Prince of the Apostles must be explained.
Duties Of A Husband
It is the duty of the husband to treat his wife generously and honourably. It should not be forgotten that Eve was called by Adam his companion. The woman, he says, whom thou gavest me as a companion. Hence it was, according to the opinion of some of the holy Fathers, that she was formed not from the feet but from the side of man; as, on the other hand, she was not formed from his head, in order to give her to understand that it was not hers to command but to obey her husband.
The husband should also be constantly occupied in some honest pursuit with a view to provide necessaries for the support of his family and to avoid idleness, the root of almost every vice.
He is also to keep all his family in order, to correct their morals, and see that they faithfully discharge their duties.
Duties Of A Wife
On the other hand, the duties of a wife are thus summed up by the Prince of the Apostles: Let wives be subject to their husbands. that if any believe not the word, they may be won without the word by the conversation of the wives, considering your chaste conversation with fear. Let not their adorning be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel: but the hidden man of the heart in the incorruptibility of a quiet and meek spirit, which is rich in the sight of God. For after this manner heretofore the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling hint lord.
To train their children in the practice of virtue and to pay particular attention to their domestic concerns should also be especial objects of their attention. The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave home without her husband’s consent.
Again, and in this the conjugal union chiefly consists, let wives never forget that next to God they are to love their husbands, to esteem them above all others, yielding to them in all things not inconsistent with Christian piety, a willing and ready obedience.
All that being said, I’m fairly certain that I have attended the same parish and heard the same sermons from the same priest. Your representation of what he said here is deplorable–or, to give you the benefit of the doubt, you clearly did not comprehend what he was saying.

He has specifically mentioned in sermons that there can be extraordinary circumstances in which it could become necessary for the wife to work, but this is only after the husband cannot provide within reason for the financial needs of the family. Needs do no include a television (much less a satellite dish), nice car, large house in the suburbs, the latest fashion in clothes, iPhone, Internet, etc., etc., etc. It is not right for a family to abandon its proper order in order to accumulate the mammon that we cannot serve to save our souls.

Much more could be said, but I just want to be clear that no one who reads this thread misunderstands the preaching of the FSSP at large or in particular here. I think it should be more than enough just to re-read the tone of your own messages, and anyone will see that you are approaching this situation emotionally and not rationally, a sure sign that your complaints are exaggerated.
 
Huh - I didn’t know that! So phrases like “Veni, Vidi, Vici” would actually sound like “Weni, Widi, Wici”? (also, by the way how does the “ci” combo in vici sound - like “chi” as in chip, or like “ki” as in king? I’ve heard pronunciation of words like “coelos/caelos” with a hard “k” sound in non-ecclesiastical usages - is that correct?
“Classical Latin” pronunciation is just what a group of Germans got together and decided was how Romans spoke. Interesting that it ends up sounding like a Germanic language and entirely different from every romance language… good try, but obviously had a biased view from the beginning. Some arguments can be made for some “classical Latin” usages, but on the whole, it is hypothesis based upon Germanic outlook rather than fact.
 
“Classical Latin” pronunciation is just what a group of Germans got together and decided was how Romans spoke. Interesting that it ends up sounding like a Germanic language and entirely different from every romance language… good try, but obviously had a biased view from the beginning. Some arguments can be made for some “classical Latin” usages, but on the whole, it is hypothesis based upon Germanic outlook rather than fact.
Interesting. I’ve never heard that before. Would like to see a response to it.I do have to say that it seems more logical for modern Italian to have evolved from Latin than the other way around. I just don’t see how that makes sense.
 
Yes, I attend a FSSP church. What’s it like? It’s a foretaste of heaven on earth.

Our priests are incomparably holy men: Fr. Wolfe, Fr. Isaac, Fr. Fongemie. There’s an enormous line for Confession every Sunday, and our Liturgy raises the soul to the contemplation of God and His Real Presence in Holy Communion. Our Mass on Sunday is a High Mass, and the beauty of it (we have a world-class choir and schola) is simply…exquisite. We hear Bach, Mozart, Handel motets and hymns.

The open devotion of those at Holy Mass is, really, like an antechamber to Heaven. Even the tiny children learn-from the time they can toddle-to dip their fingers in the Holy Water as they enter Church, and genuflect. It is so moving to watch the [devoted] parents guide the chubby fingers in their Signs of the Cross, in their ‘recollection’. When I first returned there (I remembered the Latin Mass from when I was small) all this hit me like a freight train-in a good way!

Best of all are our priests’ sermons. They’re all on Audio Sancto, and they’re long. But they’re so clear, and erudite, and always unfolding some new aspect of our Holy Faith, that we’re all sorry when they end! I find Christ there in His Holy Church. I’m grateful.
 
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