Do you believe in aliens?

[edwest2]

The Edwards Air Force Base UFO incident in Oct 65 is pretty remarkable. I know someone stationed at George AFB when it occurred which is very close. The base’s were placed on full alert.

Its one thing when civilians report sightings, its another when the entire west coast military and radar is on point with numerous eye witness accounts and multiple recordings.

I don’t know about aliens, the UFOs are a fact of life. Who operates them is unknown.

The entire incident was documented with written reports, radar photos, and audio made by Air Force personnel while they were actually viewing the objects, flying after the objects, and considered taking action against the perceived threat.

If you think they were man made on earth listen to the eyewitness account of Capt Clark as he was scrambled and chased them. They made a right turn and disappeared into “outer space” on him.

Sgt Chuck Sorrels Air Traffic Controller in the tower at Edwards on Oct 7th 1965 3rd shift.

Without going into all the details. These craft exist but keep in mind, the military has always treated them as nonsense - at least in their statements to the public. Another part of the cover story is that they are so bizarre or alien, that people would panic. More nonsense.

Over the years, various hints that the “secret” would be revealed have been published. The end result - nothing. Nothing is revealed. Cities haven’t been destroyed. Rays from these objects have not melted cars, etc.

The other big distraction - panic - is also nonsense. I have a book dated 1950, and titled How to Survive an Atomic Bomb by Richard Gerstell, Consultant, Civil Defense Office. It tells people, in calm, reasonable language, how to survive an atomic bomb. “If there’s Atomic Warfare this book may save your life!” There’s even a simple drawing of a bomb shelter that could be dug in anyone’s yard. Yes, you and the family could survive. Somehow, that never happened. Long before the arrival of ICBMs with bigger and more numerous warheads.

In the 1950s, a replacement for the U-2 spyplane (which by the way, was never painted to reflect sunlight, since it was not meant to be seen) was being considered. It was a flying disc. This shape had zero radar return. The military was deadly serious about what its own personnel reported, and issued specific instructions and warnings about reporting sightings. For those with an interest, see: JANAP(A), JANAP(B) and JANAP(C), along with the joint US/Canadian CIRVIS/MERINT reporting system. Violating these instructions included the penalties listed under the Espionage Act.

In January 1969, the Condon Report was released. The Air Force had contracted with the University of Colorado to put the nail in the coffin - for the public - regarding UFOs. Their conclusion? The study of UFOs had resulted in no gain in scientific knowledge and further study was not warranted. Brought to you by the same people who brought you the Swamp Gas explanation (mid-1960s).

The discs were large enough to carry photo-reconnaissance equipment and could have been fitted with a small atomic warhead. In the beginning, the Russians were believed to have the equipment, which is very likely. Did we use them? Of course, for photo-reconnaissance. As far as any strange maneuvers, research was going on the late 1940s into dealing with that. The research indicated a way was found to deal with high-G turns and such. Secret space program? No.

Peace,
Ed

 

[GaryTaylor]

Benevolent, if a higher form of intelligence has developed the capacity to travel the milky way, why would they see us as any more than we see the cave man. In order to have advanced to this capacity, surely they were not killing each other. We matter to them as much as an ant farm. Good for observation with our nuclear capacity.

All the Presidents who screamed they would release UFO info were silent when elected. They don’t want to scare anyone, really all it is. We are not alone. And I don’t think nuclear weapons do much for them. They have almost no reason to bother with us, unless the nuclear weapons create some kind of issue for them.

Panic is real and we seen it with a mere radio show.

I don’t believe the USAF public spin. Thats what happened at Edwards and contrary to what factually occurred. We are not capable of engineering anything as indicated above. The conspiracy is with the government. Its always is, you can believe them little to none. Look at Obama, he lies weekly to the public.

 

[mikekle]

Benevolent, if a higher form of intelligence has developed the capacity to travel the milky way, why would they see us as any more than we see the cave man. In order to have advanced to this capacity, surely they were not killing each other. We matter to them as much as an ant farm. Good for observation with our nuclear capacity.

All the Presidents who screamed they would release UFO info were silent when elected. They don’t want to scare anyone, really all it is. We are not alone. And I don’t think nuclear weapons do much for them. They have almost no reason to bother with us, unless the nuclear weapons create some kind of issue for them.

Panic is real and we seen it with a mere radio show.

I don’t believe the USAF public spin. Thats what happened at Edwards and contrary to what factually occurred. We are not capable of engineering anything as indicated above. The conspiracy is with the government. Its always is, you can believe them little to none. Look at Obama, he lies weekly to the public.

You are right, to an advanced race of extraterrestrial beings, we humans would look like cockroaches to them! I once read an article where someone asked why all these UFO sightings over the years, even some landed on the ground, but as far as we know, they never try to communicate with us, and another responded by saying something like, well, how often have you noticed a bug in your house and then tried to communicate with it and describe yourself to it? LOL

IMO, they would have zero interest in us, there is no technology we have they would be interested in either, not even nuclear weapons, as advanced as they are, they probably have MUCH MUCH greater weapons than our nukes, and may even regard them as ‘toys’ that could not do much damage if used against them.

However, I do think they are interested in something here, or else they would not keep coming here, if you look at the daily sightings list, there are literally 1000s of them each day around the world, consider about half of these are just lights people cant explain, which could be anything, 25 % are probably mis-ids of man made craft, but that still leaves quite large number of truly unknown craft, given that many people see the capabilities of these crafts, we know NO ONE on earth has comparable crafts!

I have read alot of sightings reports and have noticed alot of them are seen around water, oceans large lakes, etc. many have also been seen coming and going from water, so I think more investigations need to be done in these areas. The deep oceans would be a perfect spot for a refuge for these beings, they know no human could ever come there, and they could stay there as long as they like. Only 5% of our oceans have been mapped or explored, I really think we would be surprised if we saw what was really down in the deep.

 

[Angel_Moon]

I believe they exist, but are not in space. I think aliens are actually of demonic origin, spirits. I believe bigfoot and all of those things are probably evil spirits.

 

[Protestor]

Yes it is possible but only in the primitive forms, and if these aliens were intelligent we would most likely not come into contact with them. At most we might receive radio waves from them or something to that affect.

But no, it is not probable that we will come in contact with life from other planets unless they are in our own solar system.

 

[boomerang]

I believe they exist, but are not in space. I think aliens are actually of demonic origin, spirits. I believe bigfoot and all of those things are probably evil spirits.

You might be right!

 

[ccmnxc]

So, if they have this super duper technology, why would they keep it completely hidden and not use it on anything? I just watched a special about the newest, most advanced, expensive fighter jet, the F35, this is a quarter billion dollar plane, yet it is still loud as can be, still cannot come close to the abilities of the ‘UFOs’ people are seeing all over the world on a daily basis.

What good is this technology if they will not use it? Plus, if the US has the technology, its almost a given at least some other nations have it, or some version of it…but I never hear about such things being used in any battles in modern times.

I also wonder why NASA and other agencies are not going further into space if they have such technologies, most of the UFOs people see have crazy abilities, Id think NASA would be first in line to at least try out some of these on a space vehicle…but maybe they are…what do I know?LOL Maybe they do have some secret space vehicle that is out there now, traveling half the speed of light, ‘wrapping’ space around the craft, so they can travel vast distances in hours…that theory may not be so crazy, It seems Ive heard theories about the US truly having a sort of ‘space fleet’ that is kept super secret, but with YOUtube and the internet in general, really, how long could they keep this a secret from everyone…not very long imo, so…???

A few things:
With regards to your first paragraph, I think it is good to point out that simply because the F-35 is one of the most advanced military vehicles made public, it doesn’t mean there aren’t more advanced ones that are kept secret. Take the Black Hawks that were used in the mission that took down Osama bin Laden as an example. These were absolutely secret, and we only found out about them due to the fact that Pakinstan was able to get ahold of one of the tail rotors. This also reinforces my belief that if the US wants to keep a secret, the internet isn’t going to stop them.

As far as battles go, I’m curious as to what kinds of battles you think these craft might be engaged in if they are military craft. It seems most would be used for recon (and could be unmaned, allowing for it to undergo extremely fast and high-G maneuvers without worrying about a person being inside) primarily, so I’m not sure it is a huge deal.

 

[mikekle]

A few things:
With regards to your first paragraph, I think it is good to point out that simply because the F-35 is one of the most advanced military vehicles made public, it doesn’t mean there aren’t more advanced ones that are kept secret. Take the Black Hawks that were used in the mission that took down Osama bin Laden as an example. These were absolutely secret, and we only found out about them due to the fact that Pakinstan was able to get ahold of one of the tail rotors. This also reinforces my belief that if the US wants to keep a secret, the internet isn’t going to stop them.

As far as battles go, I’m curious as to what kinds of battles you think these craft might be engaged in if they are military craft. It seems most would be used for recon (and could be unmaned, allowing for it to undergo extremely fast and high-G maneuvers without worrying about a person being inside) primarily, so I’m not sure it is a huge deal.

what was so special about the black hawks used in that mission…I dont recall hearing anything special about them? IN fact, I remember hearing the people living in the area, actually heard the helicopters coming, so they were not completely silent in that regard.

Now, I have heard alot of farmers and ranchers that had cattle mutilations on their farms, say during the night, they have seen what appears to be helicopters, but completely silent, so maybe some super secret govt agency does have silent helicopters, but no one is even sure it is Govt/ military doing cattle mutilations, plus, Id really think if the military did have completely silent helicopters, they definitely would have used them in the attack on Bin Ladens compound.

From many of the UFO sightings Ive read, nearly all of them involve craft that have incredible abilities, they can fly as slow as 10mph, hover in place, then dart off so fast, it looks like they disappear, and then re-appear on the other side of the horizon…and do all this remaining completely silent! I may be wrong,but I dont believe we have ANY craft that even comes close.