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Frank_Fenn
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I have no intention to go anywhere else.
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BobP123
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Well, if that’s what you want in Church…
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Cat
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I agree that we shouldn’t look upon sin.
But please allow me to say, with all due respect and humility, that I think some people are much more sensitive to “sensuality” than others.
When I was evangelical Protestant, we used to say that a person “sees a demon lurking behind every tree.”
My daughters were figure skaters. When she was 12 years old, my older daughter wrote a testimony about her skating that was published in the Youth issue of an evangelical magazine. There was a picture of her in a white skating dress.
My, my, my…
People wrote and denounced her “sensual” and “immodest” outfit. Thankfully the magazine editors defended her, as did other readers.
It left a sour taste in my mouth. Figure skaters wear “skimpy dresses” for a number of reasons related to performance of their sport. There are people who find these young girls in skimpy dresses “sensual.” I don’t. I don’t think most people find figure skating kids “sensual.”
Perhaps a dance that I would find graceful or athletic, you would find “sensual” and “worldly.”
It’s a matter of opinion, and neither of us is correct.
Again, I’m NOT saying that liturgical dance should be part of Mass. The Bishops in the U.S. have said, “No,” and I abide cheerfully by their decision.
But please allow me to say, with all due respect and humility, that I think some people are much more sensitive to “sensuality” than others.
When I was evangelical Protestant, we used to say that a person “sees a demon lurking behind every tree.”
My daughters were figure skaters. When she was 12 years old, my older daughter wrote a testimony about her skating that was published in the Youth issue of an evangelical magazine. There was a picture of her in a white skating dress.
My, my, my…
People wrote and denounced her “sensual” and “immodest” outfit. Thankfully the magazine editors defended her, as did other readers.
It left a sour taste in my mouth. Figure skaters wear “skimpy dresses” for a number of reasons related to performance of their sport. There are people who find these young girls in skimpy dresses “sensual.” I don’t. I don’t think most people find figure skating kids “sensual.”
Perhaps a dance that I would find graceful or athletic, you would find “sensual” and “worldly.”
It’s a matter of opinion, and neither of us is correct.
Again, I’m NOT saying that liturgical dance should be part of Mass. The Bishops in the U.S. have said, “No,” and I abide cheerfully by their decision.
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thechrismyster
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for sure not in church, i wouldn’t wish that sight onto my worst enemy.
Aunt dottie doing the polka with a few martinis in her… Nooooo sir.
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pprimeau1976
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Even though I posted Psalm 150 as why we should dance, it is not a justification that we should dance in Church. Furthermore, a Catholic shouldn’t ask for biblical reasons for dancing at mass, as someone can inevitably say, “show me where it says the Mass should be in Latin.”
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DWPC
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We have the explicit examples of Christ and His Apostles in the NT in formulating Catholic liturgy. We also have 2,000 years of liturgical history and custom. Dance is absent and not by accident.
One can justify almost any activity or behavior with a non-contextual OT scriptural reference. David did *many *things; not all were holy.
One can justify almost any activity or behavior with a non-contextual OT scriptural reference. David did *many *things; not all were holy.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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There is no place in the Holy Mass for liturgical dancing - none anywhere, for any reason or under any pretext, at any point in the Mass.
I’ve never seen at any of the many Masses offered according to the revised Liturgy I’ve been to
- is “liturgical dancing” confined to the US ? Whether it is or no, it’s an abuse, because it is wholly inconsistent with the sacred & solemn temper of Divine Worship under the New Covenant.It would not happen if those who allow it had the quality of discretio - that is, the capacity to discriminate between what is appropriate to the worship of God, & what is not. It is the lack of this that makes people incapable of realising that the atmosphere of a game show, of a children’s party, of a discotheque, is alien to that of the Mass. People seem to have lost their sense of the sacred. Matthers are not helped by the fact that all discrimination is rejected - including the exercise of moral discrimination between good, & evil, appropriate, & inappropriate.
As a counter to such sludge, Cardinal Newman’s works are a great help: he had a very strong sense of the* aweful* character of God; maybe he gained it from his Evangelical past
Evangelical joy in God was solemn & solemnising, full of the awareness that God is (in the words of Father Faber) “a God of inconceivable Majesty” - this joy, which is full of holy fear & reverent awe, is something Card. Newman & Father Faber (a former Calvinist) shared. And it is something we need to recover. The sensual character of liturgical dancing is alien to this, of its very nature.It would help if this Christ-denying & Godless nonsense about “sacred space” as a description of a church* by Christians *were done away with: it’s appropriate when discussing comparative religion, because these are very varied & not all such spaces are of the same kind: but it has no place as a description of a church *by Christians *because it is vague when it could, & should, be exact. Vagueness when vagueness is inappropriate is another evil that we need to expel from our thinking.
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