Do you have a problem with liturgical dancers?

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Frank Fenn, go back and take a look at post #38 in this thread. I posted some of the Scriptural references to dance.

I also said that I am fairly certain that liturgical dance is NOT approved for Masses in the United States. It has been two years since I heard this, but I think it’s still the case in the U.S.

I have heard that in cultures where dance is more social than sensual, that liturgical dance IS allowed in the Mass. So it’s not a question of liturgical dance never being appropriate for the Holy Mass. Apparently it IS appropriate, just not here in the U.S.

To me, this is a matter of yielding to the authority of our Bishops. They say no to iturgical dance, we obey. They say yes to liturgical dance, we obey. After all, they speak with the authority of Christ. And we don’t complain about their ruling, right?
 
Cat said:
Psalm 149: 3 Let them praise His name with dancing.
Psalm 150: 4–Praise Him with timbrel and dancing.
There are also incidences in II Samuel where the women dance as King David returns victorious from various wars, and in II Sam. 6:14, King David himself danced before the Lord in front of his people.
Exodus 15: 20–And Miriam the prophetess, Aaron’s sister, took the timbrel in her hand and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dancing.
Ecclesiastes 3:4 says that “there is a time to mourn and a time to dance.”
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There are a number of posts saying the dance is erotic, or lacking in reverence and respect.
Yet we are witness to King David danced before the Arc of the Covenant. That was the holiest of all places in the world at that time. While it was not in the midst of a Mass, it is certainly akin to his dancing in an Adoration chapel…was he wrong?

How does scripture treat this dancing? As irreverant? Disrespectful? Erotic?

I don’t know much about dancing. So, I don’t know where it is appropriate. But I think that it should be a tool of the Church. Probably not at mass, but in some way.

Think of other tools that could just be called erotic or irreverant: TV, Movies, web-sites, music, singing, etc… But the faithful don’t let it happen. We have Catholic and Christian TV, movies, websites, etc…

I’d suggest that both dancing and drinking are greatly misused in America…likely rebellion from the country’s early Puritan excesses of sanctions. But do we throw out dancing and drinking, or should we find ways to fix the cultures uses of them?
 
TraditionalCath said:
It is a priveledge for me to be a Catholic! It is a wonderful priveledge!
This is why i care so much about showing the utmost respect for our Lord. if one wears practically next to nothing to Mass, how is that revereing our Lord and showing Him the respect He is due?

Liturigical dance does not have any reverence for Christ. none. He died for us all so that we can have everlasting life, so we owe it to Him to show Him the reverence and respect He so richly deserves!
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👍:amen:
 
Cat said:
Frank Fenn, go back and take a look at post #38 in this thread. I posted some of the Scriptural references to dance.

I also said that I am fairly certain that liturgical dance is NOT approved for Masses in the United States. It has been two years since I heard this, but I think it’s still the case in the U.S.

I have heard that in cultures where dance is more social than sensual, that liturgical dance IS allowed in the Mass. So it’s not a question of liturgical dance never being appropriate for the Holy Mass. Apparently it IS appropriate, just not here in the U.S.

To me, this is a matter of yielding to the authority of our Bishops. They say no to iturgical dance, we obey. They say yes to liturgical dance, we obey. After all, they speak with the authority of Christ. And we don’t complain about their ruling, right?
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Let me say something. I would complain, I do not think it necessary to have such a dance in a Mass, It is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is it not? Its not the Mass of the People.
Unless the pope rules or decides that it is to be part of the Mass, then one does not have to accept it do they?
 
Frank_Fenn said:
Let me say something. I would complain, I do not think it necessary to have such a dance in a Mass, It is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is it not? Its not the Mass of the People.
Unless the pope rules or decides that it is to be part of the Mass, then one does not have to accept it do they?
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No worries, Frank, it’s forbidden in North America and in Germany, too. You should never have to look upon it where you live.
 
paramedicgirl said:
No worries, Frank, it’s forbidden in North America and in Germany, too. You should never have to look upon it where you live.
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I never saw such a thing in Germany! No! But only learned of here in Canada. Iam thankful it is forbidden. Why is it that it happens if it is forbidden?:confused:
 
Frank_Fenn said:
Is there anything done then about it? if not, should there not be something done then? If it is disobedience, are they not disobeying the Holy Father?
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now that is a question i’d like to have answered!!!
 
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They say yes to liturgical dance, we obey. After all, they speak with the authority of Christ.
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Sorry, I can’t buy that one. If someone performs a sensual dance (and what dancing isn’t?) right in front me, then I’m under absolutely no obligation to witness it. Obedience does not extend to something sinful. I’m not saying dancing is sinful per se, but I think you see my point.
 
Cat said:
Frank Fenn, go back and take a look at post #38 in this thread. I posted some of the Scriptural references to dance.

I also said that I am fairly certain that liturgical dance is NOT approved for Masses in the United States. It has been two years since I heard this, but I think it’s still the case in the U.S.

I have heard that in cultures where dance is more social than sensual, that liturgical dance IS allowed in the Mass. So it’s not a question of liturgical dance never being appropriate for the Holy Mass. Apparently it IS appropriate, just not here in the U.S.

To me, this is a matter of yielding to the authority of our Bishops. They say no to iturgical dance, we obey. They say yes to liturgical dance, we obey. After all, they speak with the authority of Christ. And we don’t complain about their ruling, right?
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You do not obey your bishop in that which is sinful, but in other matters, yes, you are right. Obedience is important.
 
Frank_Fenn said:
Is there anything done then about it? if not, should there not be something done then? If it is disobedience, are they not disobeying the Holy Father?
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The proper form to follow is to advise the priest of a liturgical abuse, and if there is no satisfaction, then you go to the bishop. If nothing is done, then you film it happening, document it and take it to the papal nuncio, and for good measure send a copy to the Pope.

Visual evidence like movies and CD’s are preferred to just paper notes, although paper documentation should accompany the films of the abuse.
 
paramedicgirl said:
The proper form to follow is to advise the priest of a liturgical abuse, and if there is no satisfaction, then you go to the bishop. If nothing is done, then you film it happening, document it and take it to the papal nuncio, and for good measure send a copy to the Pope.

Visual evidence like movies and CD’s are preferred to just paper notes, although paper documentation should accompany the films of the abuse.
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I see, but the church where we go, this kind of thing would never happen. I do not go to a NO, so I wont see it happen.
 
paramedicgirl said:
Visual evidence like movies and CD’s are preferred to just paper notes, although paper documentation should accompany the films of the abuse.
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You think there’s enough room at the Vatican to store all the tapes and other documents pertaining to liturgical abuse? Just from L.A. alone you’d need the space of half of Italy. 😃
 
BobP123 said:
You think there’s enough room at the Vatican to store all the tapes and other documents pertaining to liturgical abuse? Just from L.A. alone you’d need the space of half of Italy. 😃
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I heard they added on to accommodate all the videos they got of the LA Religious Conference.
 
BobP123 said:
If someone performs a sensual dance (and what dancing isn’t?) .
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come to one of my families wedding receptions.

200 polish drunks dancing to bad 80s music.

there is NOTHING sensual about that. (or rythmic for that matter)
 
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