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Liberanosamalo
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Reminds me of a story a friend told me. I’ll remove the state and names. A bishop was visiting a church and during the Mass, as the priest and bishop were sitting on the altar, the door opened and in came the liturgical dancer. She pirouetted down the aisle, twisting and turning with veils flying, toes pointing this way and that. Finally when she reached the end of the aisle, she collapsed in a heap at the foot of the altar. The bishop reportedly leaned over to the priest and whispered in his ear, “If she asks for your head on a platter, she’s getting it.”
Timbrels and harps to glorify the Lord aside, the Mass is a reenactment of the sacrifice on Calvary. Were there any dancers on Calvary?
I thought not.
Timbrels and harps to glorify the Lord aside, the Mass is a reenactment of the sacrifice on Calvary. Were there any dancers on Calvary?
I thought not.
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Miserissima
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John_Higgins
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Don’t have a problem at all with liturgical dance. When I saw it most recently, it preceded the Mass–that is before the Sign of the Cross. Nothing wrong with it–and it was done well.
Anyone who thinks that all dance is erotic is a little too Calvinistic for me.
John
Anyone who thinks that all dance is erotic is a little too Calvinistic for me.
John
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thechrismyster
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oh my, sensitive subject. my apologies to anyone i’ve offended, i meant nothing by it, to be sure.
i don’t think it’s derogatory to reiterate verbatim the opinions that i’ve read from some of the TLM board posters.
even you’ve said "Many people will want to attend a TLM, if only to “try it out” because of all the attention it has received. Some will get hooked on it. I’m almost positive some of the things that draw you to the TLM are the “the beauty of the liturgy, the dignity the ceremony itself with its beautiful rubrics”… in other words… the atmosphere it brings you.
get hooked on it. i’d take that, paramedicgirl, to mean… entertained.
you’ve even said - and i quote…“the “Spirit of Vatican II” Catholics are wrong”, that was right before you said “I think the lacy vestments are very beautiful and add to the atmosphere of reverence, and totally fit with the surroundings and the elements of the TLM.”
atmosphere in Church… kind of like a nice romantic french dinner at dusk in a little cafe near Montemarte… ah… Atmosphere. love it.
or when asked what makes a traditional Catholic you responded once, i love this line of yours… “A love and practice of tradition.” - I always thought love of Christ and service to His people made someone a traditional catholic and the traditions are only a means to an end… once again, if mistaken, forgive this old fool.
in fact, after 40 years… the vernacular N.O. mass could be called 'traditional"… neat! 
i might be wrong in poking my head into the TLM board. and if i am, i do apologize. please, forgive me,
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DixiesFinest
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Dont try to wrap your mind around it, or else you will lie awake at night wondering…AOG condemns dancing but are charasmatics?!?!
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Hellisreal
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You are right. Some things are better off not explored.
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paramedicgirl
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I see you have spent a great deal of time going over my posts and taking them out of context to suit your purpose. Whatever. I don’t really care and I’m not the least bit surprised. You have no idea what I meant when I said those things. That much is quite obvious. Nice try though.oh my, sensitive subject. my apologies to anyone i’ve offended, i meant nothing by it, to be sure.
i don’t think it’s derogatory to reiterate verbatim the opinions that i’ve read from some of the TLM board posters.
even you’ve said "Many people will want to attend a TLM, if only to “try it out” because of all the attention it has received. Some will get hooked on it. I’m almost positive some of the things that draw you to the TLM are the “the beauty of the liturgy, the dignity the ceremony itself with its beautiful rubrics”… in other words… the atmosphere it brings you.
get hooked on it. i’d take that, paramedicgirl, to mean… entertained.
you’ve even said - and i quote…“the “Spirit of Vatican II” Catholics are wrong”, that was right before you said “I think the lacy vestments are very beautiful and add to the atmosphere of reverence, and totally fit with the surroundings and the elements of the TLM.”
atmosphere in Church… kind of like a nice romantic french dinner at dusk in a little cafe near Montemarte… ah… Atmosphere. love it.
or when asked what makes a traditional Catholic you responded once, i love this line of yours… “A love and practice of tradition.” - I always thought love of Christ and service to His people made someone a traditional catholic and the traditions are only a means to an end… once again, if mistaken, forgive this old fool.
i might be wrong in poking my head into the TLM board. and if i am, i do apologize. please, forgive me,
I do thank you for that nice animated dead horse icon you gave me a while back though. I love it and appreciate that you shared it with me.
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thechrismyster
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seriously…it was like, 5 minutes, tops.I see you have spent a great deal of time going over my posts and taking them out of context to suit your purpose. Whatever. I don’t really care and I’m not the least bit surprised. You have no idea what I meant when I said those things. That much is quite obvious. Nice try though.
I do thank you for that nice animated dead horse icon you gave me a while back though. I love it and appreciate that you shared it with me.
and this is the internet, if you can’t take things slightly out of context here… where CAN you take them out of context??
and you’re welcome for the horse.
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paramedicgirl
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At least you admit you took them out of context. Now, you’re not going to make me post that nice dead horse, are you?
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thechrismyster
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you know what it is… i’m just worried all the folks coming here looking for real answers to what Catholicism is… they see the wrong thing.At least you admit you took them out of context. Now, you’re not going to make me post that nice dead horse, are you?
is a little like a pagan having a peak at a disfunctional families Christmas dinner… if you’re not part of the family, and you don’t understand the subtleties of how Catholicism works… you’d get scared and run by how we seemingly get stuck on language…
The TLM board seems to me to be an extension of the family that decided to take it’s Christmas dinner into the other room, because the rest of us were too noisy. and i get a little weary at times at the ‘they NO people and those TLM’ people.
really, no harm intended.
i think internet boards are a really bad place to discuss religion as they seem to bring a certain clunkiness to the table of reason.
chris
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Hellisreal
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And, once we get back to the topic of liturgical dancers…
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paramedicgirl
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Have you ever looked at the reverse side of the coin? How do trads feel when they constantly get grouped in with sedevacantists and schismatics? There are lots of misconceptions out there, on both sides. The fringe element exists in your world too, believe me.
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thechrismyster
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i do see your side, and yeah, those things stink.
thats why i don’t like labels, they compartmentalize us Catholics. and that isn’t a good thing.
the fringe element exists anywhere you have humans involved, religion or otherwise. it can’t be escaped.
that discussion is for another night. back to work for me.
and back to the dancers…
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paramedicgirl
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Good talking to you Chris…yes, back to the dancers…
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historyb
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Yep
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Walking_Home
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Let them frolic out in the street, in the parking lot, in the parish hall----but please----not at Mass.
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Cat
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Maybe we should all pray to be blind, deaf, and dumb at Mass, so that we could more fully worship Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and not be distressed by all those annoying human beings.
At least one of the saints prayed to be ugly so that she wouldn’t have to be married and give up her virginity, which she had pledged to Jesus.
So I don’t think it’s such a bad prayer.
There’s an old Prostestant hymn:
Turn your eyes upon Jesus.
Look full in His wonderful Face.
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of His glory and grace.
That hymn means even more to me as a Catholic. I can actually turn my eyes upon Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, not just “think really hard and try to picture Jesus” like I did when I was Protestant.
Maybe because I’m older (50), the “things of earth” like music (which is also in heaven) and dancing and people talking and teenagers wearing short skirts and men wearing tight pants and crying babies–it just doesn’t seem all that important anymore.
It’s so wonderful to be a Catholic and “look full in His wonderful Face”–at least, almost look full! “As on my earthly journey I now receive your Beloved Son under the veil of a Sacrament, may I one day see Him Face to face in glory.” (St. Thomas Aquinas).
At least one of the saints prayed to be ugly so that she wouldn’t have to be married and give up her virginity, which she had pledged to Jesus.
So I don’t think it’s such a bad prayer.
There’s an old Prostestant hymn:
Turn your eyes upon Jesus.
Look full in His wonderful Face.
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of His glory and grace.
That hymn means even more to me as a Catholic. I can actually turn my eyes upon Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, not just “think really hard and try to picture Jesus” like I did when I was Protestant.
Maybe because I’m older (50), the “things of earth” like music (which is also in heaven) and dancing and people talking and teenagers wearing short skirts and men wearing tight pants and crying babies–it just doesn’t seem all that important anymore.
It’s so wonderful to be a Catholic and “look full in His wonderful Face”–at least, almost look full! “As on my earthly journey I now receive your Beloved Son under the veil of a Sacrament, may I one day see Him Face to face in glory.” (St. Thomas Aquinas).
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TraditionalCath
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It is important though. Its very important. immodest dress and things like this take the focus off Christ and puts it on man. The Mass has become like a Mass of the people, and not the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass anymore. Put the focus back on Christ, bring back the modest dress codes, and you have a reverent Mass. Take the focus off Christ, this is what you have, a Mass of the people.
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Cat
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For those who questioned the policy of the Assemblies of God about dancing–I agree, it’s very strange and hard to explain, considering how “contemporary” the Assemblies of God is in so many other respects, especially music.
But I do not see them yielding one bit on the dance question.
My daughter spent her sophomore year of high school in a Christian high school run by the Assemblies of God. (We were hoping that it would help her become more grounded in her faith. Just the opposite occurred–it drove her further away from faith in any church because of the blatent hypocrisy of many of the students and the lack of intellectualism in the theology.
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She always wondered why they wouldn’t allow dancing, not even in the musical (theater), but the only music they did during the daily chapel services was DANCE music! (rock n roll, pop, rap, etc.)
She didn’t get it. Neither do I.
There are many other Protestant denoms that are even stricter. Not only do they not allow dancing, but they don’t allow musicals and theater in their schools.
When my older daughter was looking for a Christian college that offered a theater degree, she only found six colleges in the U.S. that offered this degree. She only found TWO Christian colleges that offered any type of dance classes (Many theater professions require at least a minimal background in dance.).
Apparently many Protestant denoms are still trying to decide if theater, dance, etc. are of the devil.
I’m from a Conference Baptist background that allowed dance, but sure didn’t encourage it. I never learned. My husband grew up in the Assemblies of God and he never learned. Now when we go to weddings or business parties or whatever, we stand around and feel stupid. I hope that we can learn to dance someday.
In fact, because of my Protestant background, I still shake my head in amazement when I see signs up at our parish advertising the Annual St. Patrick’s Day Dinner and Dance! It’s great to be Catholic!
But I do not see them yielding one bit on the dance question.
My daughter spent her sophomore year of high school in a Christian high school run by the Assemblies of God. (We were hoping that it would help her become more grounded in her faith. Just the opposite occurred–it drove her further away from faith in any church because of the blatent hypocrisy of many of the students and the lack of intellectualism in the theology.
)She always wondered why they wouldn’t allow dancing, not even in the musical (theater), but the only music they did during the daily chapel services was DANCE music! (rock n roll, pop, rap, etc.)
She didn’t get it. Neither do I.
There are many other Protestant denoms that are even stricter. Not only do they not allow dancing, but they don’t allow musicals and theater in their schools.
When my older daughter was looking for a Christian college that offered a theater degree, she only found six colleges in the U.S. that offered this degree. She only found TWO Christian colleges that offered any type of dance classes (Many theater professions require at least a minimal background in dance.).
Apparently many Protestant denoms are still trying to decide if theater, dance, etc. are of the devil.
I’m from a Conference Baptist background that allowed dance, but sure didn’t encourage it. I never learned. My husband grew up in the Assemblies of God and he never learned. Now when we go to weddings or business parties or whatever, we stand around and feel stupid. I hope that we can learn to dance someday.
In fact, because of my Protestant background, I still shake my head in amazement when I see signs up at our parish advertising the Annual St. Patrick’s Day Dinner and Dance! It’s great to be Catholic!
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