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lanman87
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It varies from church to church. The last couple of churches I’ve been a member of have stood when the scriptures are read.
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adamhovey1988
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Alright, thank you
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lanman87
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The simple answer to the first question (books have been written about it) is that Catholic History is Baptist History. At least in the sense that Baptist and all protestants for that matter can be traced back to Catholicism.
Around 1600 there was a movement to return to the simple teachings and practices of the New Testament. Obviously, this came from the New Testament being widely available in English for the first time. Baptist were one of the groups, along with Puritans and others, who wanted to return to the teachings of the New Testament. They were part of a separatist movement from the Anglican Church.
Here is a website I found on Baptist History
My son just finished his Sophomore year at Auburn and he plays snare drum in the Auburn University Marching Band. So War Eagle!
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PJM
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NO,
It;s NOT biblical or even morally logical. [details available]
Thanks for asking
GBY
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PJM
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Thank you!
I’m aware of the Baptist position of faith equality. BUT on what basis is that? Are not Baptist “Bible Church” believers? …CAN God have more than just one set of Faith beliefs?
God Bless you,
Patrick
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lanman87
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I don’t know that I can answer your question from a specific Baptist (or protestant) teaching. There is probably some theologian who can give a rip roaring answer, but it is not me. I’m not a theologian.
If your asking how can their be multiple beliefs and practices who all claim to be Christian then I have my own opinion. But that is outside the scope of this thread.
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StuMondo
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I’m honestly not trying to enter into a debate, and I realize that following up is the first step to that, but I think I asked you that first series of questions to ask you this:
If you’re War Eagle, do you think Auburn made the right decision firing Tommy Tuberville? I feel like Tommy’s teams were extremely salty and he put out a quality product every year but one, where he tried to make a switch in the offense. It’s like, they gave the guy the death penalty for trying to be innovative. Idk. Seems like he got a raw deal imo.
Oh yeah, that and this: if Baptist theology doesn’t show up in Christian antiquity until the 15th century, and cannot be traced back to the teachings of Christ, his apostles, and the first, early Christians, doesn’t it concern you that you could be ascribing to a faith manifested by the interpretations of mere men instead of the faith passed down from generation to generation going back to the apostles, the earliest christians, and Christ himself?
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lanman87
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Personally, I would have given Tuberville one more year to right the ship. He is still very well liked in Auburn and is considered a part of the Auburn family. He actually considered running for governor of Alabama but announced a couple of weeks ago that he has decided against it.
As for the Baptist question the answer is no.
Baptist and others similar groups don’t see it as developing new theology. They see it as returning to the original teachings of the New Testament. Baptist (and other restorationist) believe those teachings were gradually abandoned/changed/added to (throughout the centuries) by the theologians, the political/imperial aspirations, and corruption* of the Catholic church.
Before you rake me over the coals understand that I’m currently examining Catholic Theology as well as Reformed Theology. I’m just relaying the overall reasoning by restorationist churches, which is what the Baptist were in the 16th century and remain so today.
*By corruption I mean the bribery, simony, double-crossings and overall mess of things that was rampant in portions of the Catholic church during parts of the middle ages up until the reformation.
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Techno2000
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What is your personal interpretation of this…
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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Vonsalza
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How does a Baptist know they’re more “right” than the Independent Christian Church (also restorationists) down the road?
Sure. It’s a human problem. Baptist minister at a popular, large “3rd Wave”-style church near me was removed in 2015 after embezzling from the organization and engaging in an extended affair with one of the members of the youth.
A second question - Christ said "That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
How can one be a restorationist without also conceding that hell at least somewhat prevailed against the church; so as to necessitate “restoration”?
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PJM
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THANKS for your candid reply.
So the question continues unanswered.
God Bless you, you may wish to read the book I eariler spoke of.
Patrick
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StuMondo
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Ianman,
First just let me say thank you for your sincere responses. This has been good in my opinion. Forgive me, but I continue to want to ask follow-up questions. If you want to take it to a private message, I’m fine with that.
I would imagine you would point to the Bible and claim how Baptist theology coincides with it as proof. But, Catholic theology coincides with the Bible also and in addition to that, there exists historical written evidence that Catholicism has existed from the 1st century, whereas with Baptist theology, no such evidence exists.
Did that make sense?
First just let me say thank you for your sincere responses. This has been good in my opinion. Forgive me, but I continue to want to ask follow-up questions. If you want to take it to a private message, I’m fine with that.
You’ve already stated that explicit Baptist writings don’t show up in Christian antiquity until the 16th century. Then, you say (on behalf of restorationist churches I understand) that the intention of Baptists is to return the church to her original teachings from the New Testament. But, if there’s no evidence of those original Baptist teachings of the New Testament in Christian history until the 16th century, then what were those first Baptists in the first century trying to return to? I would claim that the lack of historical written evidence of their explicit Baptist teachings in antiquity indicate that no such teaching ever existed to be returned to. And I’m asking you if that concerns you. Because if there’s no evidence that those Baptist teachings ever existed until the 16th century, then how do you know that the one who, with the intent of returning to an earlier teaching, derived the doctrine of Baptist theology wasn’t in reality actually making up a totally new Christian doctrine instead of returning to a pre-existing one.
I would imagine you would point to the Bible and claim how Baptist theology coincides with it as proof. But, Catholic theology coincides with the Bible also and in addition to that, there exists historical written evidence that Catholicism has existed from the 1st century, whereas with Baptist theology, no such evidence exists.
Did that make sense?
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lanman87
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Please understand that I didn’t start this thread to debate theology. I simply wanted to give a glimpse into the practice and culture of the largest Protestant Church (actually group of churches) in the United States to a group that many of whom (I assume) have very limited interaction with or attendance in a baptist church.
Having said that, I am very satisfied that the teachings of the Baptist church teach genuine Christianity. I’m very aware that most on this board would disagree with me and that is okay. I’m not here to stir up trouble.
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Lenten_ashes
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I’d say they fall into the “mere Christianity” classification.
Sorry that everyone is looking for debate
You are no trouble at all. Thanks for posting.
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StuMondo
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Ianman, thank you very much for your sincere, and gentlemanly responses. Again, I did not mean to get into debate, I just wanted your opinion on the discontinuity of Baptist theology throughout Christian antiquity. Genuine curiosity. I hope you’re only appropriately offended! Ha!
I definitely appreciate your ability and desire to seek truth, and to discuss theology in a mature fashion, as well as offering yourself up as a resource for questions on Baptist theology. I apologize if I was too aggressive. Let me know if you’d like a civil discussion through PM.
I definitely appreciate your ability and desire to seek truth, and to discuss theology in a mature fashion, as well as offering yourself up as a resource for questions on Baptist theology. I apologize if I was too aggressive. Let me know if you’d like a civil discussion through PM.
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Darryl_B
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From a non-theological perspective, what is your relationship to the Northern Baptist?
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lanman87
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I’m not aware of any formal relationship. There may be, and probably is, a relationship in communities that have congregations of both in the same community. Most Southern Baptist churches have good relationships with other churches within their community. An example is having joint services to raise fund/donations for food banks and so forth. Our town has a community Thanksgiving Service every year with several Baptist churches, Methodist, Presbyterian, and Assembly of God churches. Everyone brings canned goods and the offering goes to the local food program.
BTW- there is no Northern Baptist Convention. There is a convention called American Baptist Churches USA. I think, at one time, there called themselves the Northern Baptist Convention.
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ltwin
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Both the SBC and the ABCUSA descend from the Triennial Convention. The southern Baptists left the Triennial Convention in 1845 because its Home Mission Society refused to allow slaveholders to serve as missionaries. Thereafter, the Triennial Convention represented Baptists in the Northeast while the SBC obviously represented Southern Baptists.
In 1907, the Triennial Convention’s entire denominational structure was reorganized into the Northern Baptist Convention, which changed its name to American Baptist Churches, USA. So, Northern Baptists today call themselves “American Baptists.”
However, Southern Baptist churches are found throughout the United States. There are 16 million Southern Baptists compared to 1.2 million American Baptists. Ironically, Southern Baptists outnumber northern Baptists even in their home turf.
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Darryl_B
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Thanks. I was hoping to get some information on the Southern Baptist and Northern Baptist relationship.
To clarify, if there is a Southern Baptist there is by default a Northern Baptist otherwise the terminology of “Southern” would be a redundant superfluous qualifier, even possibly a misnomer if Southern Baptists were to also be in the Northern States, and it would then provide for alternate qualifiers such as American Baptist, and in turn if that were redundant there would just be the unqualified Baptist. It could be possible that the North South split is a result of the civil war.
I live in NZ and I don’t specifically know whether the Baptist in my country is comparable to the Southern Baptist, or whether it is comparable to the North Baptist (or if you prefer the not Southern other Baptist) or whether it is all the same but nobody knows it, or whether it is a completely distinct Baptist which resides in my country.
(Time for a convention).
To clarify, if there is a Southern Baptist there is by default a Northern Baptist otherwise the terminology of “Southern” would be a redundant superfluous qualifier, even possibly a misnomer if Southern Baptists were to also be in the Northern States, and it would then provide for alternate qualifiers such as American Baptist, and in turn if that were redundant there would just be the unqualified Baptist. It could be possible that the North South split is a result of the civil war.
I live in NZ and I don’t specifically know whether the Baptist in my country is comparable to the Southern Baptist, or whether it is comparable to the North Baptist (or if you prefer the not Southern other Baptist) or whether it is all the same but nobody knows it, or whether it is a completely distinct Baptist which resides in my country.
(Time for a convention).
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