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mpjw2
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well ok…then i have 2 questions
where in scrip ure?
How sure are you that you are making the right judgement when you do judge?
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where in scrip ure?
How sure are you that you are making the right judgement when you do judge?
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PRmerger
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See this post earlier in the thread in which I discussed this. But, for clarity, one place in Scripture is John 7:24.
The same way you do, mpjw! (Of course you make judgements every single day of your life!)
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tweetymom
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Ok sounds like a winner and I will be there:thumbsup:
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mpjw2
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wow distracted, I believe you are not the only one who feels this way. thank you for your sentimentsi think all of us “see God” more or less face to face… sins and all… (when out on a nature walk, or in the Real PResence in the Church…etc) and when we die i esp believe this to be hte case… IT is STAYING with God that is the “impossible” thing…(unless we are bonded to Christ) since God is absolutely perfect and holy - and perfectly just…
i think that’s the hardest thing about being a Christian… enduring God’s absolute holiness… which involves purging ourselves of all stain of sin which is not as easy as it sounds… (understatement)…
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I’ve had it happen NUMEROUS times in my life that i will feel “pure” and like i am “in good:” w/ God… then i will enter the Catholic Church…
I feel u/conditional Love There**… but also Perfect Purity… and some other things i have never been able to adequately describe… and the longer i stay There, well… again, words fail me… but when There, there is this one thing i don’t have trouble putting into words…
I need to be There for a very long time before i am ready for Heaven…
The “uninitiated” will only know what i mean when they do this themselves… (sit in absolute silence with Him for as long as possible… at least an hour)
As Jesus said in the Garden: “Could you not watch with me one hour?”
I here what you are saying…It is at this time you are alone with God…at the confession altar, or alone in a pew or at home or anywhere else, I believe God knows our hearts.
We can NOT fool Him
It is at this time that I believe God will purify all us christians of all our sins when we make an honest confession before Him. Having been forgiven and purified at such a time, should we die immediately after making a sincere confession ti Him, there is no way I believe He will send you, me or anyone else to hell.
That is the reason, should be the only reason, you will hear other christians say, If i die tonight I am going to heaven. We do not believe that the confessonal with a priest is the only place a confession can be said
**Ever wonder what would happen to you you died on the way to confession and never got the chance to confess?. **
Why not make a sincere confession in the car to the Lord?
I trust He will hear you and forgive you.
I do not know about you but when I mess up(allow myself to fall to sin) in my christian walk with him, I turn to God and immediately pray for forgiveness and strength that I will not fall again. And only by the blood of Jesus I believe our sins are forgiven
BTW…God is still working on me. I have not stop falling
I know what He means to carry my cross in order to follow Him
God bless you
mpjw2
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mpjw2
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look forward to seeing you there
…anyone else???
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tweetymom
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You betcha you cannot fool God I have tried a few times in my lifetime and sure suffered the results:blush: But I know that I have a loving God who hears me where I am at and ask for forgivness, and that is wonderful. and by the way God isn’t finished with me yet, He still has a lot of work to do and I am thankful when He does correct me.
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mpjw2
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this is what I am talking about…you do not know me but you are saying I judge people everyday???
that or may not be a true statement.
How can you know that for sure?
I would never say that about anyone.
I would only say we all may be tempted to judge at one time or another… but all the time??
please…
May God bless you with understanding and love
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mpjw2
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thank you tweetymomYou betcha you cannot fool God I have tried a few times in my lifetime and sure suffered the results:blush: But I know that I have a loving God who hears me where I am at and ask for forgivness, and that is wonderful. and by the way God isn’t finished with me yet, He still has a lot of work to do and I am thankful when He does correct me.
now we are communicating and not judging,
this my friends I believe is what christianity is all about
that is why I can be sure I am going to heaven if I die,
in my heart i know I have NOT fooled God
in my heart I know God forgives me when I sincerely confess to Him
BTW …i just made a confession to HIm…If I die right now I will greet you in heaven
and if tomorrow comes and I do not confess to God the sins I committed, then shame on me, I would not blame God if he did not accept me into heaven.
I would be before Him in a state of sin
.I will bring marshmallows to toast in the fires of hell, because that is where i will wind up
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PRmerger
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I dunno, mpjw…but it sounds as if you’re judging me.
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PRmerger
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That sounds like a judgement to me, too, mpjw. How do you know you’re not judging incorrectly?
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PRmerger
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AChris
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Yes, you have to be Catholic. That’s defined Catholic Dogma from the very beginning.
The sin of Adam and Eve caused the whole human race (them) to be expelled from paradise, and it wasn’t until Christ’s sacrifice on the cross that the human race could be admitted into the heavenly paradise, but with certain conditions:
Humans have to be baptized, eat the body of Christ (the victim) and be subject to the Holy Father. We are either on the ark or drowning outside of it. That’s just how it is.
The sin of Adam and Eve caused the whole human race (them) to be expelled from paradise, and it wasn’t until Christ’s sacrifice on the cross that the human race could be admitted into the heavenly paradise, but with certain conditions:
Humans have to be baptized, eat the body of Christ (the victim) and be subject to the Holy Father. We are either on the ark or drowning outside of it. That’s just how it is.
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PRmerger
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Some of the things you believed were not Catholic theology. You were poorly catechized, I’m afraid.
The CC teaches that “Whosoever knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by God through Jesus Christ would refuse to enter her or to remain in her could not be saved” (Lumen Gentium, no. 14).
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mpjw2
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interesting and thank you for letting me know, PRmerger what the RCC teaches.
So please tell me what you believe…
If I die and I have not willingly accepted and believe in ALL the teachings of the RCC…
and
even though I confess my sins before the Lord as previosly posted…
Do you believe God will not accept me into His heaven?
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mpjw2
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thank you for letting me know.I dunno, mpjw…but it sounds as if you’re judging me.
i apologize if you feel I am judging you …
what statement of mine do you feel I was judging you by.
we can talk in pm if you prefer
God bless
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mpjw2
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pr a double negative is a positive…are you asking me …That sounds like a judgement to me, too, mpjw. How do you know you’re not judging incorrectly?
how do I know I am not judging correctly when I said …
”now we are communicating” to tweetymom?
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mpjw2
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yeah wow…ok pr you called me on that.And this sounds like you’re making another judgement!
Wow!
yes it is a judgement a I believe an accurate one.
Why else do you believe a christian would believe that?
Is it what the RCC teaches about salvation?
that a christian who is saved does not need to confess to God any future sins he commits. That God will forgive him anyway?
Please tell me where I made a wrong judgement
most of all it is not what God teaches in His word
God bless,
mpjw2
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mpjw2
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hi Chris, based on your scenario,
I was baptized
I am subject to God
I participate in communion, but I do not believe I am eating the body of Jesus Christ…
Do you believe God will accept me into heaven if I die believing as I do now?
God bless
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mpjw2
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wow, 350 posts later
we may find out some catholic beliefs on the answer to the OP
does a person need to belong to the RCC, at the time of their death, for God to accept that person into heaven?
we may find out some catholic beliefs on the answer to the OP
does a person need to belong to the RCC, at the time of their death, for God to accept that person into heaven?
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distracted
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you hear part of what i am saying… but you can never u/stand all of it until you spend time in the Real Presence… There is nothing on Earth like it… Christians who dont’ do that are only get half (at best) of wht Jesus wants for them… if that… I didnt’ know about it when i was younger either even thogh i am a cradle Catholic… Thank God i once had an excellent priest who told me about it…
It was the greatest Gift i have ever been given and that is syaing something… Praying the rosary is the next best thing … Well, no, the Mass is the next best thing but then the rosary… Its not always the most pleasant experience (the Real Presence) because it is painful to see how impure you are and all that… I sometimes have felt that i was almost hopeless… but that “almost” is what coutns… Jesus can do wonders… I’v never felt i would go to Hell if i were to die … but i now know that i will also not go directly to Heaven… at least i sincerely doubt it… I do everything i can to live the way Jesus wants but i am human and i am selfish and (etc)… and so, i feel i have a ways to go. You non-Cathoilcs don’t believe in Purgatory but i KNOW it is real… The Scriptures speak of a cleasning process… There are many passages that allude to this kind of purgation… I just never knew where tofind them whn i was outside the Church…
Catholics don’t either… but it is the place to begin the purging process Many graces come from confession. The Bible says to confess your sins to one antoher… I would much rather confess my sins to a priest (who has heard everything…) than anyone else. for one thing, no one would probably be all that itnerested (??) well… some of my enemies would be…
but in any case, a preist has the anointing from Christ to forgive (absolve)… No, i’m not saying that right… Christ forgives through the priest… I certainly hope that’s true because I’ve had a few priests who would probably just as soon i end up in Hell than be forgiven… 
Anyway, that is the way the Chruch teaches…that Christ forgives us through the priest…another reason Catholics go to confession is because they have not only sinned against God but agaisnt their fellow man… and so, it is good that we also be forgiven by a fellow human, one who is like us, a weak sinner…
I’ve confessed so many times, whether in my car or in the confessional that now i don’t even have to really say anthing… God just knows how sorry i am & how repentant…(the true sign being that you don’t do it again). I haven’t been to confession in a long time… long story why… but i wish i could go… and maybe some day i will go to the trouble necessary to do so… It is important to find a priest you feel comforrtable with… but even with a grouchy, liberal priest (been there many times
) the confession gives grace. I find much more grace from a devout pries but that just goes w/o saying…you may be further ahead than some Cahtolics… who have the benefit of the sacrament of reconciliation…
few Catholics use it… & its getting worse… People go to Communion when they have serious sin on their souls… (should go to confession 1st)
and The Church is getting very liberal… Priests saying things that are unbiblical & against the teachings of the Church, etc…
Since you love Jesus so much (I presume)… why don’t you join the Roman Catholic Church and help make it a more… dare i say… a more Christian church??
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