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mpjw2
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Distracted, before I comment, what is a “bad member” in your opinion?
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thank you,
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mpjw2
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I believe Jesus was about telling the TRUTH…some people can not accept truth and that is the only reason.
Whatever jesus said, I believed He did out of love
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mpjw2
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PRmerger granted…And after your soul spends time in purgotory…where do you believe you will go after purgatory?
heaven?
or
hell?
thank you and God bless
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mpjw2
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Sorry Jesus, I did not capitalize your name
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MelanieAnne
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Purgatory is on the road to heaven. One does not go to Purgatory and then go to Hell. Purgatory is a place of preparation for Heaven, a place to be purified. Purgatory is for us, not for God. It is not punishment. Without being purified, we would not be able to endure being in God’s presence.
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Exactly! And, if you’re a parent you kow that sometimes the things you do out of love can be painful to your child…like taking them to the dentist!
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PRmerger
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As Melanie explained, Purgatory is on the road to heaven. It’s like being cleaned off in “mud room” before entering the mansion.
I’m sad that in your 35 years in the CC you never learned the correct teaching. sigh Catechesis in the CC definitely leaves something to be desired. But we’re working on changing that, thanks be to God!
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MelanieAnne
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Yes, you’re right about catechesis, and without trying to step on any toes here
I believe the only Catholic that can be tempted to leave the faith is one poorly Catechized in the faith. If you know what you have, then you know what you’re giving up, and you would never do that. There are many former Catholics that post to these fora, and the thing they all seem to have in common (in my experience) is a lack of understanding of the faith they abandoned for something else.Which is why I am still waiting for NLM to tell me what the “lie” is.
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mpjw2
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Hi PRmerger,
thank you for your advisory on the quotes…no apology necessary
Originally Posted by mpjw2
I then said
That’s very Catholic of you to say that, mpjw!
my friend, here lies the difference in our beliefs
your response to me is that I am being very catholic and,
as above, I can understand the 'reasons" why you said that and not what would be my sentiments…
I believed I was being very christian
you said
We all heard the phrase “do not judge a book by its cover”
We as christians all know WHO the judge is, right?
PRmerger, I read a lot on these threads. the subject of salvation interests me.
when I was a catholic in my young years and even up to the age of 35…the age I found myself away from the catholic church and any church for that matter, I had some beliefs then that today I do not believe anymore.
Example
I believed…
one had to be catholic to make it to heaven.
praying the rosary was praying to Mary and Jesus as co-redeemers…that Mary had power to answer my prayers, independant of Jesus
I believed that the priest was actually the one who I was confessing to in the confessional and not God…and that it was the priest that priest that actually forgave me of my sin and not God.
Today I have different believes about such matters
Yesteryears I was a immature christian, today I am a little bit more mature and i realize that I have just scratched the surface of all that there is to know.
sorry I was long with my thoughts, but the point I want to make is this…
If you hear or read about any christian who believes other than what was in your words, “very catholic of you”, I would sincerely encourage you to seek and find out if they really believe the way of your first thought.
And if by chance you encounter a christian who believes that they are saved and God will forgive any sin they commit in the future, and they do not need to confess the sin with a sincere contrite remorseful repentent heart I would say that christian like I was is young in their christian walk with Jesus.
In all due respect, and you may not like me too much for saying this, but…
take note of dburke’s judgement of nlm
Is PRmerger the only one who felt NLM was running from the truth??
God bless MelanieAnne who is the only one who posted in this thread expressing their sorrows for nlm’s loss…that does not include any of you who sent nlm a PM.
You have a different interpretation–one that is consistent with the CC’s!
How many “protestants”(as you like to address non catholics…please correct me if I am wrong) do you believe have similiar believes as I do in regard to salvation?
also i can agree with nlm when nlm replied after being invited back to the RCC
the host becomes Jesus in mass
praying for the dead
the existence of purgatory
the perpetual virginity of Mary
not going to mass is a mortal sin
infant baptism
to name a few
I am as rock solid in my beliefs as you are with yours. obviously one of us is in error.
Not for me to worry about
I will life my life the way Jesus wants me too and that is to show ALL of my christian brothers and sisters and everyone in the world love, compassion and understanding the way I believe Jesus wants me too.
And if i get to heaven and find out oops Mary was a perpetual virgin…I do not believe that god will send me to hell for misundertanding Him or not believing the message which has been stated within these forums
God bless you
mpjw2
thank you for your advisory on the quotes…no apology necessary
Originally Posted by mpjw2
great!!!
I can absolutely accept the "reasons’ why catholics believe what scripture is showing them
I then said
you asked…
my reply
you said…
That’s very Catholic of you to say that, mpjw!
my friend, here lies the difference in our beliefs
your response to me is that I am being very catholic and,
as above, I can understand the 'reasons" why you said that and not what would be my sentiments…
I believed I was being very christian
you said
yes, I believe you believe that about some other christians…I personally have not encountered any christian who believes that.
We all heard the phrase “do not judge a book by its cover”
We as christians all know WHO the judge is, right?
PRmerger, I read a lot on these threads. the subject of salvation interests me.
when I was a catholic in my young years and even up to the age of 35…the age I found myself away from the catholic church and any church for that matter, I had some beliefs then that today I do not believe anymore.
Example
I believed…
one had to be catholic to make it to heaven.
praying the rosary was praying to Mary and Jesus as co-redeemers…that Mary had power to answer my prayers, independant of Jesus
I believed that the priest was actually the one who I was confessing to in the confessional and not God…and that it was the priest that priest that actually forgave me of my sin and not God.
Today I have different believes about such matters
Yesteryears I was a immature christian, today I am a little bit more mature and i realize that I have just scratched the surface of all that there is to know.
sorry I was long with my thoughts, but the point I want to make is this…
If you hear or read about any christian who believes other than what was in your words, “very catholic of you”, I would sincerely encourage you to seek and find out if they really believe the way of your first thought.
And if by chance you encounter a christian who believes that they are saved and God will forgive any sin they commit in the future, and they do not need to confess the sin with a sincere contrite remorseful repentent heart I would say that christian like I was is young in their christian walk with Jesus.
In all due respect, and you may not like me too much for saying this, but…
take note of dburke’s judgement of nlm
like PRmerger judged
We found out that the reason NLM did not reply is …a death in the family took 1st priority.
Is PRmerger the only one who felt NLM was running from the truth??
God bless MelanieAnne who is the only one who posted in this thread expressing their sorrows for nlm’s loss…that does not include any of you who sent nlm a PM.
You have a different interpretation–one that is consistent with the CC’s!
How many “protestants”(as you like to address non catholics…please correct me if I am wrong) do you believe have similiar believes as I do in regard to salvation?
also i can agree with nlm when nlm replied after being invited back to the RCC
For me that would mean changing my beliefs on…
the host becomes Jesus in mass
praying for the dead
the existence of purgatory
the perpetual virginity of Mary
not going to mass is a mortal sin
infant baptism
to name a few
I am as rock solid in my beliefs as you are with yours. obviously one of us is in error.
Not for me to worry about
I will life my life the way Jesus wants me too and that is to show ALL of my christian brothers and sisters and everyone in the world love, compassion and understanding the way I believe Jesus wants me too.
And if i get to heaven and find out oops Mary was a perpetual virgin…I do not believe that god will send me to hell for misundertanding Him or not believing the message which has been stated within these forums
God bless you
mpjw2
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mpjw2
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excellent point:thumbsup:
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MelanieAnne
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MPW2 I have a question for you ~
Do you believe God created the Universe and all that it is in it? Even a “big bang” needs something to set it off, so, do you believe He is the Creator?
Do you believe God created the Universe and all that it is in it? Even a “big bang” needs something to set it off, so, do you believe He is the Creator?
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distracted
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it was a very moving story… but then anything concerning the 911 story is moving, to say the least… such a terrible thing… terrible way to die… Sorry, but it makes me … uh… “angry”
(words fail me) at those terrorists all over again… What a stupid belief that if you kill yourself and a bunch of people you don’t even know you will go straight to Heaven… Yes, i am not always in favor of ecumenism… but anyway, where was I??
oh, yeah… about the people hearing about Jesus…
I believe that if they are baptized for the 1st time, since they didn’t have time to sin afterwards, they would go straight to Heaven…
also, the terrible pain they endured may purge them from their sins (in case the above scenario is not the case)…
In some cases, many woiuld go to Purgatory…
but in any case, no one knows but God…
Is that what you were getting at? where the people would end up??
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mpjw2 You are so right on sister and I am a Catholic! I try and live my life as Jesus would have me do with love and kindness to all mankind. Not to be judgemental of those I disagree with . And I knew the reasom NLM left not running away but after all the insults he has taken I believe him to truly be a man of God and I thank God for him. Not being ashamed in his belief. We don’t all have to agree just show love to one another.Hi PRmerger,
thank you for your advisory on the quotes…no apology necessary
Originally Posted by mpjw2
great!!!
I can absolutely accept the "reasons’ why catholics believe what scripture is showing them
I then said
you asked…
my reply
you said…
That’s very Catholic of you to say that, mpjw!
my friend, here lies the difference in our beliefs
your response to me is that I am being very catholic and,
as above, I can understand the 'reasons" why you said that and not what would be my sentiments…
I believed I was being very christian
you said
yes, I believe you believe that about some other christians…I personally have not encountered any christian who believes that.
We all heard the phrase “do not judge a book by its cover”
We as christians all know WHO the judge is, right?
PRmerger, I read a lot on these threads. the subject of salvation interests me.
when I was a catholic in my young years and even up to the age of 35…the age I found myself away from the catholic church and any church for that matter, I had some beliefs then that today I do not believe anymore.
Example
I believed…
one had to be catholic to make it to heaven.
praying the rosary was praying to Mary and Jesus as co-redeemers…that Mary had power to answer my prayers, independant of Jesus
I believed that the priest was actually the one who I was confessing to in the confessional and not God…and that it was the priest that priest that actually forgave me of my sin and not God.
Today I have different believes about such matters
Yesteryears I was a immature christian, today I am a little bit more mature and i realize that I have just scratched the surface of all that there is to know.
sorry I was long with my thoughts, but the point I want to make is this…
If you hear or read about any christian who believes other than what was in your words, “very catholic of you”, I would sincerely encourage you to seek and find out if they really believe the way of your first thought.
And if by chance you encounter a christian who believes that they are saved and God will forgive any sin they commit in the future, and they do not need to confess the sin with a sincere contrite remorseful repentent heart I would say that christian like I was is young in their christian walk with Jesus.
In all due respect, and you may not like me too much for saying this, but…
take note of dburke’s judgement of nlm
like PRmerger judged
We found out that the reason NLM did not reply is …a death in the family took 1st priority.
Is PRmerger the only one who felt NLM was running from the truth??
God bless MelanieAnne who is the only one who posted in this thread expressing their sorrows for nlm’s loss…that does not include any of you who sent nlm a PM.
You have a different interpretation–one that is consistent with the CC’s!
How many “protestants”(as you like to address non catholics…please correct me if I am wrong) do you believe have similiar believes as I do in regard to salvation?
also i can agree with nlm when nlm replied after being invited back to the RCC
For me that would mean changing my beliefs on…
the host becomes Jesus in mass
praying for the dead
the existence of purgatory
the perpetual virginity of Mary
not going to mass is a mortal sin
infant baptism
to name a few
I am as rock solid in my beliefs as you are with yours. obviously one of us is in error.
Not for me to worry about
I will life my life the way Jesus wants me too and that is to show ALL of my christian brothers and sisters and everyone in the world love, compassion and understanding the way I believe Jesus wants me too.
And if i get to heaven and find out oops Mary was a perpetual virgin…I do not believe that god will send me to hell for misundertanding Him or not believing the message which has been stated within these forums
God bless you
mpjw2
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mpjw2
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thank you PRmerger you and Melanie for your honesty. I see you agree with each other that right after a sincere contrite confession, at the altar, should you did right there at the altar…
it is fair to say that you believe your soul would have been returned to a state of grace, and you would be on the road to heaven with possible stop in purgatory to have some final purging done by the Lord…
**Is that correct? **
it is also fair to say at this point there is no way that you will wind up in hell?
**Is that correct? **
final question
How sure are you about the answers you just gave?
thank you and God bless
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PRmerger
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This comment by NLM is why I felt he was running away from the truth:
It *sounded *like he was leaving, but then I guess he found time to return–the death in the family wasn’t an interference to his returning.
I dunno…it seems like I was correct in my judgement. (BTW, as I mentioned earlier, Scripture COMMANDS us to judge–just to judge correctly.)
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distracted
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i think all of us “see God” more or less face to face… sins and all… (when out on a nature walk, or in the Real PResence in the Church…etc) and when we die i esp believe this to be hte case… IT is STAYING with God that is the “impossible” thing…(unless we are bonded to Christ) since God is absolutely perfect and holy - and perfectly just…
i think that’s the hardest thing about being a Christian… enduring God’s absolute holiness… which involves purging ourselves of all stain of sin which is not as easy as it sounds… (understatement)…
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I’ve had it happen NUMEROUS times in my life that i will feel “pure” and like i am “in good:” w/ God… then i will enter the Catholic Church… I feel u/conditional Love There… but also Perfect Purity**… and some other things i have never been able to adequately describe… and the longer i stay There, well… again, words fail me… but when There, there is this one thing i don’t have trouble putting into words…
I need to be There for a very long time before i am ready for Heaven…
The “uninitiated” will only know what i mean when they do this themselves… (sit in absolute silence with Him for as long as possible… at least an hour)
As Jesus said in the Garden: “Could you not watch with me one hour?”
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PRmerger
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You are correct. And we as Catholics, like St. Paul, have confidence in our salvation, but not the* infallible certitude *of it.
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mpjw2
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Thank you tweetymom and God bless you…In response to you I started ampjw2 You are so right on sister and I am a Catholic! I try and live my life as Jesus would have me do with love and kindness to all mankind. Not to be judgemental of those I disagree with . And I knew the reasom NLM left not running away but after all the insults he has taken I believe him to truly be a man of God and I thank God for him. Not being ashamed in his belief. We don’t all have to agree just show love to one another.
“Jesus church of christian love” thread
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