do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

[tweetymom]

My 25 year old son would not have lived with his girlfriend prior to being married. That is not the way he was raised. He would also want to marry before God in the church.So this scenario does not apply to my family.
As for the other questions. If you need to ask such questions, I feel sorry for you and will pray that you become enlightened.I really can’t believe you are asking these questions.NLM

NLM; thank you ror your great posts:thumbsup: And I beleive that when the time comes you WILL go to heaven. It is too bad that people really think they are the only ones right, And the Bible does sayin Philippians 2:12 to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, I believe that you have and I feel that I have too. Not that I am perfect Lord no but He’s not finished with me yet:clapping:

 

[nlm]

It is very difficult to believe that some of these posters profess to be Christ followers. Contrary to what is being posted here, I have never accused anyone of being wrong. I am on record as saying that I respect all denominations and what THEY believe even if it is not what I believe. Being arrogant, sarcatic and nasty is not very christian. Of course WWJD is not in the Bible but are we not instructed to imitate Jesus and the way He lived His life? I do not think sarcasm etc. were the way He dealt with issues even His enemies He forgave He did not ridicule. It is VERY sad for members of any denomination to be so nasty to others. The teachings I do not accept are man made and have nothing to do with the Commandments of God nor His teachings.When any of you walk out of the confessional and have done your penance do you not believe that should you die at that moment you would be saved as you are in a state of grace at that moment?That is what I was taught when I was a Roman Catholic. It’s unbelievable how questions are ignored many times. I have asked what the official position of the RCC is on eulogies. All I received was a sarcastic answer eluding to donations. Anytime I have shared what the liturgy is like in our church no comments are ever made. This tells me that there is a fear on the part of some on this forum to admit that there are other forms of worship which may be pleasing to God. Respect is a word which is laking greatly here. To say Jesus was not touchy-feely. How sad. What was He doing when he welcomed the little children. Why did He cry when His friend Lazarus died? Are these not examples of showing one’s feelings? That is the problem here. Not unlike the Jews in the OT, some are so hung up on the rules that you can’t add any degree of humanity to them. If you are unable to see the value of a smile from your fellow christian in your place of worship then I really do feel sorry for you. Jesus found fault with the jews who could not see around the rules to show compassion. Before you ask me where it says that in the Bible I am referring to healing on the Sabboth. I foolishly thought I had found an opportunity to get answers to ligitimate questions I have had for years. I was wrong.So as hard as I try to get answers to my questions it seems more impossible than ever.I will pray for my RC brothers and sisters as I do daily. My prayer will be that God soften the hearts of some of you and make you more open to sharing what your teachings are all about. I will pray that when ligitimate questions are asked of you that sarcasm does not prevent you from answering the question honestly. My final comment will be that I do not think Jesus would be impressed at all if He was to read some of the last few threads on this forum. No I did not find that comment in the Bible.I wish you all the best and I want to thank those of you who did show christian values and compassion in your responses See you in heaven NLM

 

[PRmerger]

My 25 year old son would not have lived with his girlfriend prior to being married. That is not the way he was raised. He would also want to marry before God in the church.So this scenario does not apply to my family.

It’s a rhetorical question, NLM. It doesn’t have to apply to your family. You need not even be married to answer the question.

It seems to me that by your non-answer you understand the inconsistency in your belief. You state that salvation is “what happens in your heart” and a public declaration is not essential but “what happens in your heart” between a married couple requires a public declaration. :whacky:

The CC, however, is quite consistent. When we are baptized and claimed by Christ and his Church, our soul is changed forever. When we are married and claimed by Christ for each other, what existed before–2 individuals–are changed forever through the Sacrament of Matrimony. How magnificent is that!! :extrahappy:

As for the other questions. If you need to ask such questions, I feel sorry for you and will pray that you become enlightened.I really can’t believe you are asking these questions.NLM

Yes, please do pray for me, NLM. I humbly ask for all prayers.

Would you mind answering the question about where in Scripture it says that salvation is a “matter between God and myself” and where it says in Scripture that “public declaration of this fact is important but not essential.” Chapter and verse, please.

 

[tweetymom]

It is very difficult to believe that some of these posters profess to be Christ followers. Contrary to what is being posted here, I have never accused anyone of being wrong. I am on record as saying that I respect all denominations and what THEY believe even if it is not what I believe. Being arrogant, sarcatic and nasty is not very christian. Of course WWJD is not in the Bible but are we not instructed to imitate Jesus and the way He lived His life? I do not think sarcasm etc. were the way He dealt with issues even His enemies He forgave He did not ridicule. It is VERY sad for members of any denomination to be so nasty to others. The teachings I do not accept are man made and have nothing to do with the Commandments of God nor His teachings.When any of you walk out of the confessional and have done your penance do you not believe that should you die at that moment you would be saved as you are in a state of grace at that moment?That is what I was taught when I was a Roman Catholic. It’s unbelievable how questions are ignored many times. I have asked what the official position of the RCC is on eulogies. All I received was a sarcastic answer eluding to donations. Anytime I have shared what the liturgy is like in our church no comments are ever made. This tells me that there is a fear on the part of some on this forum to admit that there are other forms of worship which may be pleasing to God. Respect is a word which is laking greatly here. To say Jesus was not touchy-feely. How sad. What was He doing when he welcomed the little children. Why did He cry when His friend Lazarus died? Are these not examples of showing one’s feelings? That is the problem here. Not unlike the Jews in the OT, some are so hung up on the rules that you can’t add any degree of humanity to them. If you are unable to see the value of a smile from your fellow christian in your place of worship then I really do feel sorry for you. Jesus found fault with the jews who could not see around the rules to show compassion. Before you ask me where it says that in the Bible I am referring to healing on the Sabboth. I foolishly thought I had found an opportunity to get answers to ligitimate questions I have had for years. I was wrong.So as hard as I try to get answers to my questions it seems more impossible than ever.I will pray for my RC brothers and sisters as I do daily. My prayer will be that God soften the hearts of some of you and make you more open to sharing what your teachings are all about. I will pray that when ligitimate questions are asked of you that sarcasm does not prevent you from answering the question honestly. My final comment will be that I do not think Jesus would be impressed at all if He was to read some of the last few threads on this forum. No I did not find that comment in the Bible.I wish you all the best and I want to thank those of you who did show christian values and compassion in your responses See you in heaven NLM/QUOTE

:crying::crying: NLM I am so sorry to see you leave and hope you get this before you go. It is very hard to share or be polite in some places. I am sorry for some of the scrcasm showed to you! I feel that you are a strong man of God and I wish you well in your journey with Christ. I will always remember and will pray for you and your family. In Christ’t love

 

[PRmerger]

. To say Jesus was not touchy-feely. How sad. What was He doing when he welcomed the little children. Why did He cry when His friend Lazarus died? Are these not examples of showing one’s feelings?

Just so I am not misunderstood…I am not against being touchy-feely. I love hugging and kissing my family! I love hugging and kissing my brothers and sisters in Christ at Mass and fellowship. It’s just not the reason why I’m Catholic.

And, also to clarify: I said that Jesus was not all that touchy-feely. I’m certain he was a hugger and a kisser. And, you can’t get much more touchy-feely that in the Eucharist. I was just saying that Jesus was not all about making someone feel good–he also made some hard sayings that people walked away from. Like some are doing here. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[tweetymom]

non Catholics can and are saved but that doesn’t mean they won’t have a lot of purgation to go through before they get to heaven… and i’ve heard from some saint or another that ***Protestants spend more time in Purg than cathlics… ***

this only makes SENSE …

yes, i know it only makes to sense to people who know about it… and i know about it…I know from experience… My life is one long purgation process these days…

but that poster doesn’t seem to think i know a blasted thing…

he hasnt’ walked in my shoes but he knows i am wrong… hmmmm… ok…

he apparently thinks that he will get to heaven without any purification process first…

hmmm… what does that kind of thing sound like…

Pride??? Yes, that’s waht it sounds like… and/or blindness…

If he is so pure as to get into Heaven right now if he were to die… .well, then why doesn’t God take him???

He did not say he was pure just that he knew he would go to heavenand thats a bad question coming from a Christian. I haven’t walked in your shoes either and hope God is gracious and I don’t have to:thumbsup: I will pray for shoes thou that you can change them:thumbsup:

 

[tweetymom]

Just so I am not misunderstood…I am not against being touchy-feely. I love hugging and kissing my family! I love hugging and kissing my brothers and sisters in Christ at Mass and fellowship. It’s just not the reason why I’m Catholic.

And, also to clarify: I said that Jesus was not all that touchy-feely. I’m certain he was a hugger and a kisser. And, you can’t get much more touchy-feely that in the Eucharist. I was just saying that Jesus was not all about making someone feel good–he also made some hard sayings that people walked away from. Like some are doing here. That’s all I’m saying.

And its great that you think you know the ones who are walking away:thumbsup:

 

[PRmerger]

And its great that you think you know the ones who are walking away:thumbsup:

What does that mean, tweetymom?

 

[tweetymom]

Just so I am not misunderstood…I am not against being touchy-feely. I love hugging and kissing my family! I love hugging and kissing my brothers and sisters in Christ at Mass and fellowship. It’s just not the reason why I’m Catholic.

And, also to clarify: I said that Jesus was not all that touchy-feely. I’m certain he was a hugger and a kisser. And, you can’t get much more touchy-feely that in the Eucharist. I was just saying that Jesus was not all about making someone feel good–he also made some hard sayings that people walked away from. Like some are doing here. That’s all I’m saying.

He also made some hard saying that people walked away from like some are doing here was what youi said

 

[MelanieAnne]

OK, NLM, I asked twice, and never got a response. I asked sincerely, by the way, I just wanted to know what the “lie” was. And I never got a straight answer. Or if I did, I didn’t recognize it as such.

And now it appears that you are leaving in a huff. Well, sorry about that.

I wasn’t arrogant, sarcastic or nasty, as you have described “some” members of this forum. I asked a question, in sincerity, I asked it nicely, twice, and got nothing at all in response.

So I find it hard to swallow this preaching that you are doing about asking sincere and legitimate questions and not getting an answer. With all due respect, how is it that you can criticize others for something you are in the process of doing yourself?

 

[PRmerger]

He also made some hard saying that people walked away from like some are doing here was what youi said

Ah. So you were being sarcastic, then in post #285? I would hope that it *wasn’t *sarcasm because didn’t you just rebuke us for being sarcastic in post #282? :tsktsk:

I dunno…but I *thought *you were saying that sarcasm wasn’t a very nice thing to express.

 

[tweetymom]

Ah. So you were being sarcastic, then in post #285? I would hope that it *wasn’t *sarcasm because didn’t you just rebuke us for being sarcastic in post #282? :tsktsk:

I dunno…but I *thought *you were saying that sarcasm wasn’t a very nice thing to express.

No sarcasm intended

 

[PRmerger]

And its great that you think you know the ones who are walking away:thumbsup:

Ok…so you meant no sarcasm here. Then I will correct you and say that I do not think it’s great that I think I know who the ones are who are walking away.

I do know that the ones who walked away in John 6 were the ones who thought Jesus’ teaching was too difficult and they refused to obey.

Do* you *think it’s great that some people walked away?

Also, didn’t you say goodbye to NLM? Are you assuming he’s walking away?

 

[tweetymom]

Ok…so you meant no sarcasm here. Then I will correct you and say that I do not think it’s great that I think I know who the ones are who are walking away.

I do know that the ones who walked away in John 6 were the ones who thought Jesus’ teaching was too difficult and they refused to obey.

Do* you *think it’s great that some people walked away?

Also, didn’t you say goodbye to NLM? Are you assuming he’s walking away?

I personally can not say who walked away or :shrug:not, Only God knows their hearts not me
why would I think it is great if someonr walked away? Do think I am a looney? I assume he was leaving and if you read his last post maybe you will too .It is a shame I think he was a just and faithful man of God.

 

[MelanieAnne]

 

[PRmerger]

I personally can not say who walked away or :shrug:not, Only God knows their hearts not me
why would I think it is great if someonr walked away? Do think I am a looney? I assume he was leaving and if you read his last post maybe you will too .It is a shame I think he was a just and faithful man of God.

sigh

Well then, I am totally puzzled by your comment:

And its great that you think you know the ones who are walking away

You weren’t being sarcastic, you say. So I have no idea what you were trying to convey.

 

[youngsaint]

A protestant cant not “die in the state of grace”. All protestants have original sin on there soul, so unless they die protecting or for the Catholic Faith, in other words a baptism of blood, they can not enter heaven. Also, since when has time undone sin? It was a terrible sin to separate and bring thousands from the church, and in extension, heaven. So, the followers of a non-Catholic Christian are guilty of heresy. Sorry, but Saint Augustine said “One can not have the God as a father if he does not have the Church as a mother.” So, no, it would not be possible.

 

[tweetymom]

A protestant cant not “die in the state of grace”. All protestants have original sin on there soul, so unless they die protecting or for the Catholic Faith, in other words a baptism of blood, they can not enter heaven. Also, since when has time undone sin? It was a terrible sin to separate and bring thousands from the church, and in extension, heaven. So, the followers of a non-Catholic Christian are guilty of heresy. Sorry, but Saint Augustine said “One can not have the God as a father if he does not have the Church as a mother.” So, no, it would not be possible.

Good for you if you think that all Protestants cannot enter. I think you are off base but I will not argue the point with you. If you are happy with your belief

 

[tweetymom]

sigh

Well then, I am totally puzzled by your comment:

You weren’t being sarcastic, you say. So I have no idea what you were trying to convey.

So what were you trying to convey in your post I replied to that I wasn’t sarcastic too? I am a bit confused too

 

[PRmerger]

So what were you trying to convey in your post I replied to that I wasn’t sarcastic too? I am a bit confused too

When I said: I was just saying that Jesus was not all about making someone feel good–he also made some hard sayings that people walked away from. Like some are doing here. I meant that Jesus offended many with his teachings–like on divorce and remarriage, like on the Eucharist. Many people–his disciples!!–walked away from him when they didn’t like the Truth Jesus proclaimed. NLM is walking away from this forum because he doesn’t like the Truth as Catholics are proclaiming it either.

You then responded:

And its great that you think you know the ones who are walking away.

it sounded sarcastic to me, but I’m obviously missing your point. So now what are you saying is so great?