do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

[nlm]

Hi NLM,

I’ve been thinking about this post since the first time I saw it and I have to ask ~ what is this “lie” that you are talking about? Maybe I’m just supposed to “get it”, but I don’t. So what is it that you don’t believe and that you suspect many faithful Catholics also don’t believe? I’d like to know.

Let me say I keep forgetting that the information or discussions we have in a thread is not there for others to see in a new thread. Many times the participants are the same but not always. So thank you for reminding me of this with your question.
What I am referring to when I say I was “living a lie” is this. I always believed the fundamental teachings of the RCC which deal with belief in God, Jesus,the Holy Spirit etc. etc. etc.Most if not all of these teachings are believed by most if not all Christians. However, there are many other teachings of the RCC which I can never remember believing. As I became older and I would be sitting in a pew for mass, I was very mindful of the fact that so many of the things I was suppose to endorse, I could not. I was going through the motions if you will but deep inside, I knew I was living a lie. It would be like living with your spouse knowing full well you did not love her. You are going through the motions, perhaps for the children’s sake ,but you are actually living a lie. Outward appearances would lead others to believe you do love your spouse but you don’t. In my case, outward appearances would have lead fellow parishoners to believe I was a fervent and devout member of the RCC but I was not. Even when I was a monk for a time, I did not believe some of the RCC’s teachings. So in my case I had to leave and go where I believe God wanted me to be. I can HONESTLY say I am no longer living a lie. Hope this helps you understand my story. God Bless.NLM

 

[PRmerger]

I would be interested in knowing the scriptural passage which would support the"reason"for the Assumption of Mary.NLM

Firstly, you know that Mary was not the first person that the Church professed to have been assumed into heaven, right? Enoch and Elijah were the first. (Heb. 11:5, 2 Kgs. 2:11).

Also, check out Matt: 27:52-53 where saints left the grave after the Resurrection of Christ.

Finally, see this article which gives numerous explanation of the Assumption. And this article.

 

[nlm]

Do you believe that marriage is unnecessary between a man and woman–as long as the man and wife love each other,and “believe it in their heart”, it’s between them alone? As long as they confess their love to each other it doesn’t really matter if they “make a formal declaration” before a minister? Is it just a legal thing to get married?

In my previous thread we were discussing salvation which is indeed a matter between God and myself. Yes, public declaration of this fact is important but not essential. Accepting the Lord at the altar is such a declaration. Giving a public testimony of one’s acceptance of the Lord is another way . Yes, I believe in marriage.Salvation is between God and an individual. Marriage is different, it is between God but and two individuals. It makes things different. There are times when the couple has already privately and deep within their hearts pledged there love for one another and have made vows. However a Christian couple wants God to bless their union. They also want to publically declare there love for one another. That is where the ceremony comes in. Then of course there are the legal requirements to respect.Jesus Himself sanctified marriage by attending the marriage in Cana and choosing that time to perform His first miracle. I ramble at times. Hope I answered your question NLM

 

[PRmerger]

In my previous thread we were discussing salvation which is indeed a matter between God and myself. Yes, public declaration of this fact is important but not essential.

I’m sorry if you’ve already answered these questions in your previous thread, but I’d like to know where it says in Scripture that salvation is a “matter between God and myself” and where it says in Scripture that “public delcaration of this fact is important but not essential.”

Yes, I believe in marriage.Salvation is between God and an individual. Marriage is different, it is between God but and two individuals. It makes things different. There are times when the couple has already privately and deep within their hearts pledged there love for one another and have made vows. However a Christian couple wants God to bless their union.

Why would a Christian couple want God to bless their union in a public ceremony, if they already know in their hearts that God has blessed it?

What if your 25 year old son decides that he and his live-in girlfriend have already professed their love to each other and to God so they have no need for a wedding–what would be your response to him?

 

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It would be a VERY different world indeed. Interesting you mention your son’s impatience. I tend to be impatient at times ( just ask my wife !!! ). I have however been working on curving this impatience. I go back to a saying which was popular a few years ago. WWJD…What Would Jesus Do… NLM

where is

WWJD in the Bible???

its there, but not explicitly…

those who claim to go by the bible alone go by the Bible far less than those who get accused of not even knowing it… namely devout Catholics.

 

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Is the purpose of this forum to entice people to become RC’s? I understood it was to provide information about the RCC. I for one am not looking to become RC but to try and get answers to questions I have never had answered. If I stumble upon kind christian individuals of any denomination and am able to converse, share ideas or compare notes then I see that as a bonus.I mean this with no disrespect to anyone. If more people were sensitive to the needs of others, I believe this would indeed be a better world.If more people took the time to smile or say hello it would go a long way to helping others who may be having a bad day.When the rules are all that matters then the people suffer.There is not enough" touchy-feely "going on in the world.That is my opinion.NLM

i think there is too much touchy feely… phony touchy feely that is…

i don’t like people always smiling at me walking down the street, saying Hi… I don’t dislike it a lot but it makes me feel u/comfrotable… mabye its because i am Catholic… Cahtolics are more into that Jesus & me thing probably than other churches are… but anyhow…

i just don’t understand why some people can have horrile, awful problems i nthe Church and decide NOT to leave it… and then there are people who probably have much less than awful horrible to deal with and they DO…

hmmmm:coffeeread::banghead::

 

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Is the purpose of this forum to entice people to become RC’s?NLM

i hope so…

and i hope it works…

the Catholic Church is the one Christ instituted… bad members and all…

maybe some day it won’t have bad members… you know… like the Baptist church doesn’t have any and the methodist and etc… but hey, things take time…

 

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I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, if I died tonight I would go to heaven.
I

***you have absolutely no way of knowing such a hting ***…

why do you claim to know what only God knows??

there is soemthing seriously awry in your … life or somewhere… Just my opinion… but i can’t help saying this… (assuming you want to know what i really think as opposed to waht you would have me think or whatever)…

there is something you are not saying…

again, my opinion but a strong one…

 

[PRmerger]

i think there is too much touchy feely… phony touchy feely that is…

Jesus wasn’t all that touchy-feely either. I don’t think there’s a recorded instance in Scripture of him singing Kum-bay-yah–but, I don’t know, Scripture says that not everything he did was recorded, so let’s leave it open for discussion.

Seriously, you’ve gotta believe that He offended quite a few people with his teaching on divorce. Heck, he’s still offending people with his teaching on divorce. And with his command to eat his flesh.

My response to all of his hard sayings, “Lord, to whom shall I go?”

 

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mpjw2:
a person is saved by doing evryting Jesus said to do… and Jesus said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those in prison… not just accept Him…

even the demons do that… They know who he is better than some Christians seem to … (the Bible shows this)…

In today’s Mass readings it says How can you say you have faith but do not (do the above charitable works)…?

and etc…

You are NOT saved by faith alone…

Faith without works is dead… (james 2:12)1

dead faith is no faith…

 

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Jesus wasn’t all that touchy-feely either. I don’t think there’s a recorded instance in Scripture of him singing Kum-bay-yah–but, I don’t know, Scripture says that not everything he did was recorded, so let’s leave it open for discussion.

Seriously, you’ve gotta believe that He offended quite a few people with his teaching on divorce. Heck, he’s still offending people with his teaching on divorce. And with his command to eat his flesh.

My response to all of his hard sayings, “Lord, to whom shall I go?”

really - it doesn’t say KumBayYah somehwere in the bible…?

then why are all those protestants singing that song???

so much for sola scriptura…



yes Jesus offended just about everyone…

and i am following in his footsteps…

 

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Actually this area of the forum is Non-Catholic religions.

so?

the objective of this forum is undoubtedly the objective of its founder, Karl Keating…

to evangelize the Catholic faith…

Non-C forums notwithstanding…

 

[MelanieAnne]

Let me say I keep forgetting that the information or discussions we have in a thread is not there for others to see in a new thread. Many times the participants are the same but not always. So thank you for reminding me of this with your question.
What I am referring to when I say I was “living a lie” is this. I always believed the fundamental teachings of the RCC which deal with belief in God, Jesus,the Holy Spirit etc. etc. etc.Most if not all of these teachings are believed by most if not all Christians. However, there are many other teachings of the RCC which I can never remember believing. As I became older and I would be sitting in a pew for mass, I was very mindful of the fact that so many of the things I was suppose to endorse, I could not. I was going through the motions if you will but deep inside, I knew I was living a lie. It would be like living with your spouse knowing full well you did not love her. You are going through the motions, perhaps for the children’s sake ,but you are actually living a lie. Outward appearances would lead others to believe you do love your spouse but you don’t. In my case, outward appearances would have lead fellow parishoners to believe I was a fervent and devout member of the RCC but I was not. Even when I was a monk for a time, I did not believe some of the RCC’s teachings. So in my case I had to leave and go where I believe God wanted me to be. I can HONESTLY say I am no longer living a lie. Hope this helps you understand my story. God Bless.NLM

Ok, but you haven’t said what the lie was. If it is so important, why can’t you say what it is?

 

[MelanieAnne]

so?

the objective of this forum is undoubtedly the objective of its founder, Karl Keating…

to evangelize the Catholic faith…

Non-C forums notwithstanding…

OK, but that wasn’t the context.

 

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Ok, but you haven’t said what the lie was. If it is so important, why can’t you say what it is?

i think he means that he was living a lie because he was acting Catholic but not really Catholic…

he’s explained some of the things he doens’t believe about the RCC teachings but then when they are explained he “goes south”… doesn’t respond…

so uh…

like i said in a recent post… i think there is something going on that poster doesn’t want to mention…

or maybe he just doesn’t like the strictures of Cahtolic living… the way certain things are always wrong : birth control, divorce-remarriage… having to be charitable (???) God knows…

 

[dburke]

NLM: You commit a sin of presumption, saying you are certain you are going to Heaven. You will find that out at your Particular Judgement when you face the just judge. Faith is hard to understand sometimes and I too have doubts about some of the RC teachings, but I read and try to understand and then accept. I just know that the Catholic Church is the one founded by Christ and following its tenets is the path to Heaven.

Also, I guess purgatory is one of the teachings of the Church that you don’t believe in. Guess you will find out if you are fortunate to get there.
Guess you don’t believe in confessing your sins to a priest either. Being a former monk, you are in big trouble. Will pray you see the true light.

 

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NLM: You commit a sin of presumption, saying you are certain you are going to Heaven. You will find that out at your Particular Judgement when you face the just judge. Faith is hard to understand sometimes and I too have doubts about some of the RC teachings, but I read and try to understand and then accept. I just know that the Catholic Church is the one founded by Christ and following its tenets is the path to Heaven.

Also, I guess purgatory is one of the teachings of the Church that you don’t believe in. Guess you will find out if you are fortunate to get there.
Guess you don’t believe in confessing your sins to a priest either. Being a former monk, you are in big trouble. Will pray you see the true light.

non Catholics can and are saved but that doesn’t mean they won’t have a lot of purgation to go through before they get to heaven… and i’ve heard from some saint or another that ***Protestants spend more time in Purg than cathlics… ***

this only makes SENSE …

yes, i know it only makes to sense to people who know about it… and i know about it…I know from experience… My life is one long purgation process these days…

but that poster doesn’t seem to think i know a blasted thing…

he hasnt’ walked in my shoes but he knows i am wrong… hmmmm… ok…

he apparently thinks that he will get to heaven without any purification process first…

hmmm… what does that kind of thing sound like…

Pride??? Yes, that’s waht it sounds like… and/or blindness…

If he is so pure as to get into Heaven right now if he were to die… .well, then why doesn’t God take him???

 

[nlm]

I’m sorry if you’ve already answered these questions in your previous thread, but I’d like to know where it says in Scripture that salvation is a “matter between God and myself” and where it says in Scripture that “public delcaration of this fact is important but not essential.”

Why would a Christian couple want God to bless their union in a public ceremony, if they already know in their hearts that God has blessed it?

What if your 25 year old son decides that he and his live-in girlfriend have already professed their love to each other and to God so they have no need for a wedding–what would be your response to him?

My 25 year old son would not have lived with his girlfriend prior to being married. That is not the way he was raised. He would also want to marry before God in the church.So this scenario does not apply to my family.
As for the other questions. If you need to ask such questions, I feel sorry for you and will pray that you become enlightened.I really can’t believe you are asking these questions.NLM

 

[mpjw2]

This is a message to mpjw2. Could you please empty your inbox for private messages as you are unable to recive any new ones. Thank you NLM

ok …looking forward to hearing from you or anyone

 

[MelanieAnne]

NLM ~ I’m still waiting to know what, specifically, the “lie” is. What Catholic doctrine is a lie? I’d really like to know the answer to that and all I’m getting is obfuscation.