N
nlm
Guest
After all,those of us who pray the Lord’s Prayer, are Brothers and Sisters in Christ.NLM
- Status
S
Sonny1954
Guest
I don’t believe that the love in Heaven is “mushy” (I wish it were). I think love in Heaven is an intellectually based sort of charity for all. That would certainly be an improvement over what we’ve got now, wouldn’t it? But as the Catholic Church is fond of saying “Love is a decision, not a feeling.” I don’t suspect that love in Heaven will be emotional or romantic, it might not even be personal. Just a decision to be charitable to everyone there.
D
distracted
Guest
you don’t u/stand Purgatory. Did you look up those scriptue psgs that refer to purg? I’ve had it hapen here @ CAF that people will argue against it all day long and when i give the bible verses to support it, they just ignore them… hope you are not doing that also… ?
i’ve heard this a 100 times… Catholics do not disagree with this… If they do, then they don’t u/stand things as well as they might think… The RCC teaches that non-C’s can get to Heaven just tht it is harder and (the saints say) they spend more time in Purg than Catholcis… Purg is excrutiating so this is important…
I have found from (again, that great Teacher) Experience that this is true… that it is easier to be focused on heavenly (divine) “things” when one is in the Church… & to see more easily the true condition of the soul… I have been through things a lot of things that other peple have not been through, that they could not even imagine could happen… (long, long story)… and i KNOW that the RCC is the one Christ established because of the power it had (has) in my life. The Church did things for me that no other church or anyone or anything else could have done for me… things that are of ultimate importance… I know this because i had tried other churches, other “things”… I was poweerless against certain things in my life until i came back to the True Church… This is why Jesus built the Church as he did… He knows more than anyone how needy and weak and clueles we humans can be… We need HIS Church not man-made ones…
there is nothing on Earth to compare to the Real Presence.
Protestantism is like reading letters from a loved from who lives far away… (although He is near when we pray or read his Word)…
Catholicism offers actually being with Christ (the tangible Real Presnece)…
D
distracted
Guest
i used that term because of what OTHERS seem to think about Love… not what i myself think/feel… I also believe it has to do with the intellect (the whole self… the real self that God created us to be…)
the reason people don’t know real love is because they have too much of the unreal kind…
what thye call Mushy is often the real deal but they are too… messed up to see it.
Heaven is love itself… with none of the “thorns”… that usually go with human love… (esp "romantic’ love… Yikes… Hell on Earth… in my humble, admittedly biased opinion)
D
distracted
Guest
it’s over 33,000…
that figure is from a couple yrs ago and since there is 1 new church started every week… I am sure it is more like 35,000 by now… :hypno:
F
Follow_Yeshua
Guest
Ha! Is there like some National Debt meter in Rome that has “Churches Started?”
Wait…35,0001…
T
tweetymom
Guest
Maybe when people came into a Catholic thread say a Protestant or what ever they would find a few
nice people here with a little of Christs love to guide them They would be happy to become aCatholic:shrug:
N
nlm
Guest
Well said.God Bless.NLMMaybe when people came into a Catholic thread say a Protestant or what ever they would find a few
P
PRmerger
Guest
The only reason to become a Catholic is because it’s TRUE. Not because there’s nice people who greet you on a forum or who smile at you at church.Maybe when people came into a Catholic thread say a Protestant or what ever they would find a few
P
PRmerger
Guest
Actually, the count is now over 40,000. See the text at the bottom that has an actual count.
It puzzles me how Protestants can say, “The Bible is my authority” when you consider the existence of over 40,000 denominations. Each denomination claims to read Scripture and come to doctrines taught by Scripture, yet no one can agree! Indeed, there is no authority in “The Bible is My Authority” kingdom.
T
tweetymom
Guest
Sometimes people need to see that you practice Christ’s commendment That you love one another as I have loved you! However true it is or isn’t means nothing if it is not done with love and a smile instead of I’m right and you are wrong. You all maybe great Catholics but as far as having gentle spirits hmm
M
MarchOfThePigs
Guest
According to traditon or legend or dogma, it’s all a lie to me, St. Peter holds the keys to heaven, he is the bouncer who lets you in or not.I heard something on Catholic Answers Radio years ago concerning this…
I can’t remember who said it but he was a guest on the show and he said that all Christians will be Catholic before they get into Heaven. If the person is a protestant and dies in a state of grace, he will go to Purgatory and then will learn that the Roman Catholic Church was the One Church… founded by Christ and will then have to, in Purgatory… well, to paraphrase his words… he will have to become Catholic…
i totally belive this.
so why are we not working harder to make everyone Catholic??
true, we can’t make anyone Catholic any more than we can make everyone Republican(Too bad, huh??)
but there are many things we can do…
and it seems we aren’t doing them… seems we Catholics don’t want to make too many more Catholics… (genearlly speakign)
Now you have to ask yourself, does Peter know hundreds of years after he died he was made into a Catholic when last he checked he was a Jew? Does he know he is something called a Pope which he has no idea what the heck that is?
Catholic: Hey St. Peter, I’m a Catholic let me in.
Peter: What’s a saint, better yet your universal, what’s that even mean (I’m giving him the doubt he knows the literally definition)?
Catholic: Yeah, your the first Pope?
Peter: What the heck is a pope? Look here buddy, you’re a lousy bastard, I don’t care your Catholic or whatever, you treated everyone like they were beneath you with your holier than thou attitude. Merciful Jesus has you on the hell list, goodbye.
But then again this is all a fantasy, who said the pie in the sky really exists.
And since a JEW, not a Catholic, Peter holds the keys to it, the Jews like always have the upper hand.
Reminds me of a Mr. Bean short where the devil is sorting out who stays in hell and who goes up to heaven, people on the left stay in hell, people who move to the right go to heaven. The devil enters and goes all Christians move to the left, turns out the Jews were right after all.
So to answer your question, I ask another question: who says any Catholic or Christian will get into heaven (if it exists), what makes you think your Jesus is really God. Or better yet that God does really care about the affairs of men? He cares if you eat bacon or not, or practice Natural Family Planning, or tell someone bless you when they sneeze? What’s the matter god doesn’t get cable in heaven or have board games to play with his son Jesus, so he has to waste his time to see if little Johnny made a perfect act of contrition.
What a stupid question, “do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven?”, just another day at the office for Catholics and other religious nut jobs casting each other into their hells.
P
PRmerger
Guest
ALL of us here could have gentler spirits. There’s no doubt about that.Sometimes people need to see that you practice Christ’s commendment That you love one another as I have loved you! However true it is or isn’t means nothing if it is not done with love and a smile instead of I’m right and you are wrong. You all maybe great Catholics but as far as having gentle spirits hmm
The point of the CAF is apologetics. To provide arguments that can move us towards the Truth. There simply is no way for an argument to make someone feel all tingly and warm in a way that makes someone say, “Wow! I feel good after hearing that artificial birth control is morally wrong. NOW I’m going to join the CC!” Apologetics appeals to the heart, through the head. There are no group hugs in apologetics!
Catholics here are not at war with un-believers, but with un-belief. But, yes, this is spiritual warfar and we do have our swords out for Christ.
I would hope that anyone who comes to this forum is mature enough to not take attacks on their un-belief as attacks on them personally.And, yes, we are all called to do this with charity.
M
MelanieAnne
Guest
PR, that would be a refreshing change.
While you are absolutely correct that many of us could use a “charity tune-up”, it is all too common for folks with a different belief system to take any disagreement with that belief system as a personal attack. I don’t see so much of that sort of thing on this thread as I do in others, but it is an unfortunate fact of life at CAF in general.
I can only suppose this happens because religious beliefs are usually deeply personal. So while we are all called to testify to the Truth, there are usually a variety of ways that we can do it, and we are called to choose the most charitable way.
D
distracted
Guest
truth isn’t always sugar-coated…Maybe when people came into a Catholic thread say a Protestant or what ever they would find a few
i love truth more i do phony sentimental, fickle, never-lasting, conditional, so called human “love” …
If peole don’t join the Church because it teaches truth… then they might as well not join…
if they join for some other reason than truth, they will eventually leave…
) over Objective Truth
D
distracted
Guest
:clapping::tiphat::clapping:
D
distracted
Guest
I fail to see how stating a statistic = lack of charity…Sometimes people need to see that you practice Christ’s commendment That you love one another as I have loved you! However true it is or isn’t means nothing if it is not done with love and a smile instead of I’m right and you are wrong. You all maybe great Catholics but as far as having gentle spirits hmm
D
dburke
Guest
Certainly, those baptized in the correct format, that is: I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit with the pouring of water on the head or submersion, meet the basic requirements of being eligible for Heaven. Actually, those of other faiths who are baptized in this manner actually become Catholic!!! even though they don’t realize it. Then, leading a good spiritual life, confessing one’s sins to Jesus with true sorrow (even if it is not to a priest) can save their souls. Those who are not baptized in any faith cannot enter Heaven, Where they go I am not certain (maybe “Limbo” which is not talked about much anymore).
However, it is my personal 71 year old returned Catholic belief that most Catholics won’t make it to Heaven based on the lives they live in the modern age. Most Catholics today are not following Catholic doctrine and unfortunately won’t be anywhere near Heaven, probably dying in mortal sin. The Blessed Virgin told the children at Fatima that souls are dropping into Hell like snowflakes, mostly due to sins of the flesh. AND NO ONE PRAYS TO SAVE THEIR SOULS. Also, no one speaks of the place of atonement Purgatory where the vast majority of the souls that are save will go for an unknown length of time. It is not a pleasant place, although we will eventually reach Heaven, we should all strive not to go there.
Sorry to be so grim, but people must know the truth.
However, it is my personal 71 year old returned Catholic belief that most Catholics won’t make it to Heaven based on the lives they live in the modern age. Most Catholics today are not following Catholic doctrine and unfortunately won’t be anywhere near Heaven, probably dying in mortal sin. The Blessed Virgin told the children at Fatima that souls are dropping into Hell like snowflakes, mostly due to sins of the flesh. AND NO ONE PRAYS TO SAVE THEIR SOULS. Also, no one speaks of the place of atonement Purgatory where the vast majority of the souls that are save will go for an unknown length of time. It is not a pleasant place, although we will eventually reach Heaven, we should all strive not to go there.
Sorry to be so grim, but people must know the truth.
- Status