do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

[guanophore]

But NIM you do tell it like it is I have had the same struggles that you have had. I know that I am saved and Jesus is very personal in my life, I just have a hard time to some of the stuff that I feel has been added. Now if everyone here is comfortable then cool. There are some of who do have struggles and will have until we meet Jesus.:tiphat: to you NIM

From reading your posts, tweety, it seems clear that your struggles are related to a lack of understanding about what the Church actually teaches. If you are willing to learn about the faith into which you were baptized, I doubt very much that you will continue to struggle.

 

[tweetymom]

From reading your posts, tweety, it seems clear that your struggles are related to a lack of understanding about what the Church actually teaches. If you are willing to learn about the faith into which you were baptized, I doubt very much that you will continue to struggle.

Sir I have learned and do understand about my faith, I have along with my husband have taught RCIA for 7 years and was asked to do so by our Priest and yes we do teach what the Church teaches and only left this year because we are traveling . So I don’t need you instruction on how to be a Christian Catholic but thanks anyway. An d I doubt if I ever will not struggle. But of course since you are perfect you must never struggle and Praise God for that:thumbsup:

 

[guanophore]

Amen NIM I struggle with some of the same issues I know that I belong to Christ no matter what anyonr says or thinks:clapping::extrahappy:

I don’t think anyone here denied you are Christian. What a lot of us did was observe that the content of your posts was not Catholic, and did not seem consistent with the self identification of yourself as Catholic.

 

[tweetymom]

I don’t think anyone here denied you are Christian. What a lot of us did was observe that the content of your posts was not Catholic, and did not seem consistent with the self identification of yourself as Catholic.

Hope you read my last to post and try and put sa little kindness in you heart

 

[guanophore]

I do read the post and I must say I get a little disturbed by some of them I was raised in the CC but not for long. So I never got a real good education. I DID attend a Protestant Church for over 20 years and I did get a very Good education in the Bible and taughr Bible Study in BSF for eight. I after a long time decided to return to my childhood Church, I have married for the second time a very good Catholic who was raised in the faith was an Altar boy and even went to seminery for awhile, until he decided he liked girls too much to become a Priest. So I guess you could say that I am happy in my choice but not happy about the posts I see on this thread. In all my years at Protestant Church I NEVER heard one word like I hear here, My former Pastor and his wife remain friends and came to our wedding and my husband adores them too! So noe you know the whole story, and if it makes you feel more like a Catholic to be hard on peoplr be my guest I sure am glad none of you are Christ:thumbsup: Hope you read Choys post cause it is right on

I get disturbed by a lot of the posts I read here. That is why I joined the prayer warriors. I am glad that you found a faithful husband, and that you are here willing to discuss matters of faith. You are a “lapsed” Catholic in the sense that you were baptized into the faith but then spent most of your life not practicing it.

I am not sure what it means to “feel more Catholic”. Catholicity is not a matter of emotion,but a matter of truth. It would not be proper to pretend Catholicity exists when it does not. You hold yourself out as a Catholic, but your posts reflect Protestant theologies. On the other hand, nlm recognizes that his beliefs are not Catholic, so he does not pretend to that he is Catholic.

 

[guanophore]

Sir I have learned and do understand about my faith, I have along with my husband have taught RCIA for 7 years and was asked to do so by our Priest and yes we do teach what the Church teaches and only left this year because we are traveling . So I don’t need you instruction on how to be a Christian Catholic but thanks anyway. An d I doubt if I ever will not struggle. But of course since you are perfect you must never struggle and Praise God for that:thumbsup:

I sense that I have offended you, and if that is the case, I apologize.

There have been plenty of people teaching RCIA that teach other things besides the Catholic faith.

I hope that what you teach in class is not the same as what you post here, because that would mean that you believe your faith is Catholic, when it is not.

I was not referring to struggle in general, but struggle about doctrine in one’s conscience. This is the kind of struggle that nlm says that he no longer has, because he is where he believes God wants him to be, and is comfortable with the teachings of his present ecclesial community. He no longer sits in a Catholic Church and feels like a fraud!

 

[PRmerger]

If she knew that in his heart, he did not really marry her, then it would be better for him to sleep elsewhere, would it not?

What he has said is that he never really believed in the Real Presence in the Eucharist, or the Apostolic teachings on what constitutes a valid Eucharist.

It is like one finding oneself in a marriage and realizing that one was not properly disposed to make the marriage vows.

I was talking to a woman who came to realize that her husband was homosexual, and married her so that he would have a “front”. Would it not be better to sleep in separate rooms? Especially after learning about the intimate relations with a third party?

Indeed. I suppose the follow up discussion is: what to do next? Figuratively speaking, NLM is" sleeping in a separate bedroom" and not engaging in the One Flesh Union with his spouse. I would hope that he would take steps to make things right so he could resume intimacy, rather than be satisfied that this is where his spouse wants him.

 

[tweetymom]

I sense that I have offended you, and if that is the case, I apologize.

There have been plenty of people teaching RCIA that teach other things besides the Catholic faith.

I hope that what you teach in class is not the same as what you post here, because that would mean that you believe your faith is Catholic, when it is not.

I was not referring to struggle in general, but struggle about doctrine in one’s conscience. This is the kind of struggle that nlm says that he no longer has, because he is where he believes God wants him to be, and is comfortable with the teachings of his present ecclesial community. He no longer sits in a Catholic Church and feels like a fraud!

You don 't have to hope that we teach Catholic the Catholic if not I would not do it and yes some of my feelings are Protestant and probably will always be and I don’t have too much of a problem there because doctrine is one thing and my relationship with Christ is another and if you think it’s not seperate then you have a lot to learn. And thank you for the apoligy but what you really did was make me angry.

 

[PRmerger]

personally, i believe it is all up to Jesus being the judge to decide who gets to heaven and who doesn’t.

In a sense, yes; yet in another sense, it’s the *individual *who chooses to reject Christ and His Church and His Teachings that chooses hell.

When anyone says, “I have a problem with the CC’s teaching on ________” what they’re really saying is “I have a problem with Jesus’ teaching on _______”. Yikes.

Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged.

Fortunately, the CC uses the entire Scriptures to proclaim God’s Word and there’s another verse, John 7:24, which commands us to judge!!

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t have too much of a problem there because doctrine is one thing and my relationship with Christ is another and if you think it’s not seperate then you have a lot to learn

But your relationship with Christ, tweety, *is *your religion. (Religion comes from the Latin, religiare, which means relationship).

And your religion is your doctrine. It’s not either/or. It’s both/and (like most things Catholic )

 

[tweetymom]

But your relationship with Christ, tweety, *is *your religion. (Religion comes from the Latin, religiare, which means relationship).

And your religion is your doctrine. It’s not either/or. It’s both/and (like most things Catholic )

My religion is Christ first formost and always! I don’t care where the word came from I know what I know in my heart and am not hung up on what people say or do I have worked out my own salvation with fesr snd trembling like the BIBLE says have a problem with that well it’s your problem not mine:shrug:

 

[PRmerger]

My religion is Christ first formost and always! I don’t care where the word came from I know what I know in my heart and am not hung up on what people say or do I have worked out my own salvation with fesr snd trembling like the BIBLE says have a problem with that well it’s your problem not mine:shrug:

Wow.

I don’t have a problem with you, tweety. Why would you say that?

Why so much anger in your heart?

 

[tweetymom]

Wow.

I don’t have a problem with you, tweety. Why would you say that?

Why so much anger in your heart?

There is anger because of some of the pompuse people that act holier than thou not you I don’t think and I am going to have to be on my knees tonight for my anger Some people on this web site think they have all the answers and really noone does

 

[PRmerger]

There is anger because of some of the pompuse people that act holier than thou not you I don’t think and I am going to have to be on my knees tonight for my anger Some people on this web site think they have all the answers and really noone does

Well, you are humble (as well as angry ) if you can admit in this forum (before hundreds of readers!) that you’ll be on your knees tonight. I admire that.

Since you are a Catholic, why not avail yourself of the Sacrament of Reconciliation? You will receive immense graces, not to mention audibly hearing Christ’s forgiving and healing words: Your sins are forgiven. And, having to confess to a person will reinforce that our sins are not just between God and us, but have a social dimension as well.

And I plan to go soon as well! (Certainly I am not making a judgement about whether you have mortal sin on your conscience–that’s for you to decide. I’m just saying that the Sacrament of Reconciliation is soooooo healing!! Much better for getting rid of anger than a therapist’s couch! And easier on the bank account, too! )

 

[PJM]

=Robert in SD-I think another way to put it is that in Heaven there is only one Church: The universal Church founded by Jesus Christ. Some may not recognize that Church here on earth. But all will recognize it in Heaven whether they were imperfect Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, or whatever in this life.

I disagree with the comment that being a good protestant, hindu, buddhist, etc. will get you to heaven. What is important is that you respond to the grace that God has given you. In other words, if you are raised a Hindu, and you remain a Hindu even though at some point you come to the personal realization that it is not true, then you have an obligation to seek truth and God will hold you to that. If you are not given that grace, and you remain a Hindu that is invicibly ignorant of the truths of Jesus Christ and His Church, God will take that into account as well. But nothing one does as a good Hindu will earn them a place in Heaven. It’s all by the grace of God.

Peace,
Robert

**God is and must be Fair and Just. Therefore He will Judge everyone on the same criteria.

If, one has the opportunity to know of God, one must accept God in order to get to heaven.

Because God has to be “Just and Fair” God must, and certainly does, provide every human person sufficient grace to Know Him and to accept the conditions for Salvation. Even though not everyone is given the opportunity to know Christ as Christians.

In America, and much of Europe, much of Africa, and other similar democratic, or semi-democratic countries, its difficult to conceive of one NOT having an opportunity to Know Christ. God will judge the opportunity to know as being a rejection, and one can expect to pay the consequences.

One Must know God and acknowlwdge God

One Must be Baptized with Water In The Trinity* [Baptism of Blood and Desire qualify when normal baptism is not an option*.]

One cannot die with unrepented / unconfessed Mortal sin. The Basic Laes of Right and Worng on written on every human heart, and can be known by all.

Only, Only when these conditions are a TOTAL IMPOSSIBILITY do other factors come into play.**

Love and prayers,

 

[tweetymom]

God is and must be Fair and Just. Therefore He will Judge everyone on the same criteria.

If, one has the opportunity to know of God, one must accept God in order to get to heaven.

Because God has to be “Just and Fair” God must, and certainly does, provide every human person sufficient grace to Know Him and to accept the conditions for Salvation. Even though not everyone is given the opportunity to know Christ as Christians.

In America, and much of Europe, much of Africa, and other similar democratic, or semi-democratic countries, its difficult to conceive of one NOT having an opportunity to Know Christ. God will judge the opportunity to know as being a rejection, and one can expect to pay the consequences.

One Must know God and acknowlwdge God

One Must be Baptized with Water In The Trinity* [Baptism of Blood and Desire qualify when normal baptism is not an option*.]

One cannot die with unrepented / unconfessed Mortal sin. The Basic Laes of Right and Worng on written on every human heart, and can be known by all.

Only, Only when these conditions are a TOTAL IMPOSSIBILITY do other factors come into play.

Love and prayers,

Amen and God Bless you for your post:thumbsup:

 

[tweetymom]

Well, you are humble (as well as angry ) if you can admit in this forum (before hundreds of readers!) that you’ll be on your knees tonight. I admire that.

Since you are a Catholic, why not avail yourself of the Sacrament of Reconciliation? You will receive immense graces, not to mention audibly hearing Christ’s forgiving and healing words: Your sins are forgiven. And, having to confess to a person will reinforce that our sins are not just between God and us, but have a social dimension as well.

And I plan to go soon as well! (Certainly I am not making a judgement about whether you have mortal sin on your conscience–that’s for you to decide. I’m just saying that the Sacrament of Reconciliation is soooooo healing!! Much better for getting rid of anger than a therapist’s couch! And easier on the bank account, too! )

Thank you and I have been praying about my anger it is still a little there but one has to let God:thumbsup:

 

[nlm]

This is not true,nlm. If you were properly catechized as a Catholic, you would know that the Catholic catechism represents the teachings of the Apostles, while those of all denominations contain at least some of the Teachings of men. I don’t mean that in a critical way, I was not properly catechized as a Catholic either.

I must ask, when you refer to all denominations, do you see the RCC as a denomination? I have read from many in this forum who do not see the RCC as a denomination.My answer will depend on your answer to this question.

The Bible is a Catholic book, by, for, and about Catholics.

No, nlm, you have been misled. The Bible was not formed until 382. What do you think Christians lived by prior to that? They lived as all Christians should, by the Source who is Christ. Don’t make an idol out of your bible!

I do not make an idol of the Bible but from where I stand I see it as a VERY reliable guide on my journey to heaven.I do live by that very Source.

I agree that there are many Protestants that believe in Christ, and will get to heaven. I also agree that it does not depend on a “label”. However, your statement indicates a deficient understanding of Church.

**I find your comment that Protestants who believe in Christ will get to heaven a bit surprising.Why would it be that in this forum many members of the RCC have said quite clearly that RC’s ONLY will get to heaven. What then is the "official"teaching of the RCC? Many have explained that Proestants will spend time in purgatory which will make us RC’s. I ask this in all honesty as it does create confusion for me and I am guessing for others as well.

You may be in more trouble than some,nlm, if you have knowingly and willingly rejected the Teachings of Christ.**

I would answer this comment this way.It is MY belief that for someone to knowingly and willingly reject somthing one must have first knowingly and willingly have accepted that samr things. The teachings which I have a problem with are points I can NEVER remember EVER believing. IF I ever did, it was as a child not as an adult. As a result I do not believe I am in anymore troube than anyone else.I am trying to live by the teachings of that same Christ daily. Some days I am more successful than others but He understands.NLM

 

[nlm]

In a sense, yes; yet in another sense, it’s the *individual *who chooses to reject Christ and His Church and His Teachings that chooses hell.

When anyone says, “I have a problem with the CC’s teaching on ________” what they’re really saying is “I have a problem with Jesus’ teaching on _______”. Yikes.

Fortunately, the CC uses the entire Scriptures to proclaim God’s Word and there’s another verse, John 7:24, which commands us to judge!!

In MY case,when I say I have a problem with the CC’s teaching on… I am NOT saying I have a problem with Jesus’ teachin on… How can you say that EVERY word written in the RCC cathecism comes straight from Jesus? Let me give a silly little example. I believe Jesus said for us to fast but I don’t believe He said to fast specifically on Friday or Mnnday or Tuesday. Men made those decisions, Jesus did not. As I said that is a silly example however there are many other not so silly teachings I had problems with.
I looked up John 7:24 and see nothing which commands us to judge. Could the reference be incorrect? NLM

 

[nlm]

Indeed. I suppose the follow up discussion is: what to do next? Figuratively speaking, NLM is" sleeping in a separate bedroom" and not engaging in the One Flesh Union with his spouse. I would hope that he would take steps to make things right so he could resume intimacy, rather than be satisfied that this is where his spouse wants him.

Let me start by saying REALISTICALLY if my wife found me in bed with anoter…I will be meeting my Maker ! Ha! Ha! THAT IS THE TRUTH !!!
Seriously however, I enjoyed your analogy but I guess I don’t see my situation that way. What I am experiencing is this. I believe I am and have been in the marital bed all along. ( belonging to Christ ) What has changed is what form the intimacy has taken. It is with the same “spouse” only that it has changed.Speaking in figurative ways can be hard on the head.I have always enjoyed doing so however.I THINK I am describing my situation correctly here.NLM