Do you honestly believe in hell?

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GEddie said:
If Hell is a state, does that mean there are two Senators from Hell???

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Iā€™m assuming youā€™re kidding?šŸ˜‰ I meant ā€œstateā€ as in ā€œstate of beingā€, ā€œstate of mind.ā€
 
When I was walking separated from Christ, I told people, only half jokingly, that I do believe in Hell, and Hell only, not Heavenā€¦
 
Crown_of_Stars said:
Iā€™m assuming youā€™re kidding?šŸ˜‰ I meant ā€œstateā€ as in ā€œstate of beingā€, ā€œstate of mind.ā€
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The use of šŸ™‚ usually implies kidding.

Canā€™t be a state of mind, without a live head, STMā€¦

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phil19034 said:
Yeap, with a lot of Representatives in the House! :eek:
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Well, there sure are a lot of powerful people who are trying to make evil things look like theyā€™re good things.

But I digress - Hell is real. We donā€™t really know what Hell will be like, though Jesus compared it to ā€œeternal darkness, where there is wailing and gnashing of teethā€, ā€œthe fiery furnaceā€ (an allusion to the Book of Daniel, seemingly Jesusā€™s favorite scripture apart from the Psalms), and to the Valley of Ben-Hinnom (transliterated into Greek as ā€œGehennaā€). Before Jesusā€™s time, of course, the Valley of Ben-Hinnom was the site of Topeth - the illicit temple/altar/ā€œhigh placeā€ to the Moabite? ā€œdeityā€ of Molech (by the way, the ancient Israelites, though not believing the ā€œgodsā€ of their neighbors to be God, did generally see them as being real spirits - usually considering their neighborsā€™ ā€œgodsā€ to be demons). Later, though, by the time of Jesus, the valley had become a giant trash burn pit which kept burning day and night - with the smoke being seen for miles.

Jesus probably had both of these images - the image of the illicit demonic temple and the image of the never-ending burn pit - in mind when He used Gehenna as an allegory for Hell. It is probably punishment enough for us to be separated from God for all eternity, wallowing in our own disordered self-love.
 
PDXSeeker_1975 said:
Like what?
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Well, original sin, for one. The fact that we are all punished for something ancestral that we at no time had a choice in.

Death as a punishment for original sin. This makes all other punishments seem like a gentle twist on the ear!

The fact that both were removed for Mary, just because she was Mary, leaving everybody else to suffer on.

I could go onā€¦

Please, no lengthy rebuttals based on Thomas Aquinas or otherwise. I accept all those teachings, though they seem contorted, to an extent, to me.

My only point was that compared to stuff like that, Hell just makes sense. Itā€™s not the only severity in the Godly economy. And those who land in it do so as a result of their choices.

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powerofk said:
Well, there sure are a lot of powerful people who are trying to make evil things look like theyā€™re good things.

But I digress - Hell is real. We donā€™t really know what Hell will be like, though Jesus compared it to ā€œeternal darkness, where there is wailing and gnashing of teethā€, ā€œthe fiery furnaceā€ (an allusion to the Book of Daniel, seemingly Jesusā€™s favorite scripture apart from the Psalms), and to the Valley of Ben-Hinnom (transliterated into Greek as ā€œGehennaā€). Before Jesusā€™s time, of course, the Valley of Ben-Hinnom was the site of Topeth - the illicit temple/altar/ā€œhigh placeā€ to the Moabite? ā€œdeityā€ of Molech (by the way, the ancient Israelites, though not believing the ā€œgodsā€ of their neighbors to be God, did generally see them as being real spirits - usually considering their neighborsā€™ ā€œgodsā€ to be demons). Later, though, by the time of Jesus, the valley had become a giant trash burn pit which kept burning day and night - with the smoke being seen for miles.

Jesus probably had both of these images - the image of the illicit demonic temple and the image of the never-ending burn pit - in mind when He used Gehenna as an allegory for Hell. It is probably punishment enough for us to be separated from God for all eternity, wallowing in our own disordered self-love.
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This sounds about right. By the grace of God, hopefully none of us will find out the detailsā€¦
 
Timothysis said:
That is not the Catholic teaching on hell, anymore than heaven is a bunch of babies with wings playing harps while sitting on clouds. Study the subject.
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Iā€™m not sure thatā€™s necessarily right.
The Church approved apparition at Fatima showed hell as a literal burning fire place with demons as grotesque animals and many people say while Catholics donā€™t have to believe in private relevations,that the Catholic Church and bishops,guided by the Holy Spirt do believe the Fatima apparition as being from God.
Therefor,many Catholics do believe of hell being a place similar to what the OP described with literal fire (minus the pitchforks).
 
GEddie said:
If Hell is a state, does that mean there are two Senators from Hell???

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Yep, Senators Fienstein and Boxer. šŸ˜ƒ

(sorry to my friends in California, but I couldnā€™t resist [guess Sens Gillibrand and Schumer would have worked too ;)])
 
religioussoup said:
I believe in heaven, but I donā€™t believe in hell. Thatā€™s just my honest belief about the matter. Of course not everyone can get into heaven, but I think those who donā€™t just die. They donā€™t go to hell, they donā€™t go anywhere. They literally just stop existing.

Wouldnā€™t a punishment for being a mortal sinner be much worse if you ended up completely dead and alone versus being with other sinners in hell? What do you guys think?
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Yes, I beleive 100% in hell. A punishment of non-existence is not worse then eternal separation from God. That would be a balm.
 
Itā€™s pretty simple. Those who donā€™t believe in it now will find out for sure when they die.
 
I believe in Hell. Hitlerā€™s immortal soul has to be somewhere and I think the odds of him getting into Heaven are pretty slim to nonexistent.
 
Jesus spoke more about hell than He did about heaven. Our Lady showed the three children hell. Hell really does exist - like it or not.
 
religioussoup said:
I believe in heaven, but I donā€™t believe in hell. Thatā€™s just my honest belief about the matter. Of course not everyone can get into heaven, but I think those who donā€™t just die. They donā€™t go to hell, they donā€™t go anywhere. They literally just stop existing.

Wouldnā€™t a punishment for being a mortal sinner be much worse if you ended up completely dead and alone versus being with other sinners in hell? What do you guys think?
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I think that people who think this find little reason NOT to sin nor to go to confession and repent for the sins which dearly offend God. Many will pay a heavy price for such false beliefs in the end.

What possible reason could there be to believe there is no hell? Even people like Fr. Barron who holds the false belief that there is ā€œa reasonable hopeā€ that all men are saved says we must believe in the possibility of hell and act accordingly.
 
religioussoup said:
I believe in heaven, but I donā€™t believe in hell. Thatā€™s just my honest belief about the matter. Of course not everyone can get into heaven, but I think those who donā€™t just die. They donā€™t go to hell, they donā€™t go anywhere. They literally just stop existing.

Wouldnā€™t a punishment for being a mortal sinner be much worse if you ended up completely dead and alone versus being with other sinners in hell? What do you guys think?
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1( Yes I believe in hell.
  1. What is the theology of what you believe founded in? Is it just your own thought?
 
JimG said:
Jesus does talk quite a lot about hell in the bible, so neither I nor the Church are in a position to contradict him.
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That is a good point. And one I often wonder about. Why do so few people believe in hell but then turn around and believe in other things Jesus said. Or even heaven? Jesus lied about hell but you believe him about the Eucharist? It just never made sense to meā€¦
 
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